Talk:Danny Elfman/Archive 1

Recent Edits

I made a few edits (not enough, maybe) and removed the trivia section, which didn't seem to contain anything important. Feel free to disagree, of course. There's still plenty here that could be pruned but honestly I'm a little too tired and timid to delete anything else. Maybe later...Matheson 13:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Should this article be really cat'ed in Spider-Man and Batman?! - UnlimitedAccess 5 July 2005 06:48 (UTC)

Modifying the listing of Desperate Housewives to the "theme" for desperate housewives. Danny Elfman only composed the theme, Steve Jablonsky actually does the music in the show

Picture

I have screencapped a picture of Danny Elfman from the Sweet Sounds feature of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory DVD. It seems to be fair use. If you feel that it isn't or have problems with the picture at least leave a note here explaining why. This picture seems sufficient so hopefully there won't be any more picture shuffling ;) Thanks. --Rachel Cakes 09:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I think the picture needs to be changed. I know it is a recent photo, but quite frankly, it makes him look like a dweeb. I remember a photo that was on this article earlier that did Mr. Elfman justice and IMO better suited for this article.. This is a just a suggestion. -Atomic Duck!

Which photo would that be? Could you please link to it or describe it to me? --Rachel Cakes 10:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Someone needs to find a picture. This article is about someone too important to not have one. -- Bustoff 09:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should use a picture of him with his group? Acetaminophen

Bodhi Elfman

I didn't know he was Jenna Elfman's uncle-in-law. Also, his nephew Bodhi is Scientologist I just read on the article. I really hope that Danny isn't. Danny seems like such a cool guy it would be a shame if he was. --Rachel Cakes 05:41, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Jewish

Considering that his work isn't religious, is it appropriate that the first thing mentioned about him after his birth is that he is a Jewish American? 24.22.148.134 05:04, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

America seems obsessed with internal cultural subdivisions. There doesn't seem to be such a thing as a plain "American". Cain Mosni 19:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, when you're in a country that defines itself by it's multicultural setting every group becomes hyphenated. This is even more pronounced in Canada where, rather than a melting pot, everyone is seperate, so much so that even 'regular' Canadians become 'English-Canadians'. It's not an 'American' symptom but rather a multicultural one. --Thaddius 16:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Being a Canadian (note the lack of a hyphen), I feel that this comment is inacccurate. In everyday usage, I almost never hear someone describe themself or others as "something or other-Canadian." The only time I ever seem to see this is when the context of someone's ethnic origins is actually a relevant matter. Most of the time, we're just plain Canadian, eh? -- Enigmatick 15:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Birthplace

He was born in Los Angeles. See: http://www.bluntinstrument.org.uk/elfman/bio/index.html, imdb, etc. (this is a common mistake, see bottom of www.squidoo.com/dannyelfman. Nationalparks 05:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Layout of the Article

I think this article should have a different layout. It just seems so jumbled up. Allemannster 03:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

New Profession for Mr. Elfman

The rumors are he wants to direct movies now, that this is indeed his heart's passion, not music. Picture an American Fellini or Argento but with a killer soundtrack. Can't wait....

Simpsons theme...largest orchestra??

I heard once that the theme tune for the Simpsons employed the largest orchestra ever for a film/Tv score... is this true?--Macca7174 15:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Seems highly unlikely to me. I don't hear that many instruments, and I don't see why would they need that many. ☢ Ҡi∊ff⌇↯ 18:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Conducting=

In the trivia section it mentions that Danny conducted his scores for Batman and Batman Returns. As far as I know, this isn't true. According to Danny himself (Music For A Darkened Theater II liner notes) he only conducted one of his scores, which I believe was Dead Presidents (might have been something else). Anyone else got anything to the contrary? 71.141.142.179 03:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Elfman assuredly did NOT conduct the score for Batman - At the time, Elfman would not have had the musical knowledge to do such a thing to begin with and I'm pretty sure Scott Smalley was the conductor (and I just talked to him last weekend). Which brings us to a completely un-addressed issue on this article: Sean W. Malone 22:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe the late, great Shirley Walker may have conducted it, as she was quite involved in that score (orchestrating and writing some additional music I believe. Perhaps it's time to check the disc's liner notes. 205.155.8.6 18:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

MUSICAL ISSUES

When Danny Elfman first got into film scoring there was a huge backlash by (for lack of a better word) "real" composers. This is because Elfman had no significant musical training and knew almost nothing about harmony or orchestration (which are incredibly important to the compositional process). As a result, on the Batman score for example, orchestrator Steven Scott Smalley made all of those decisions effectively composing about 75% of the actual music (if you consider some of the basic elements of music such as; melody, harmony, rhythm, form, dynamics, articulations - Scott Smalley is responsible for almost all but melody and form...) If you've seen the composer's sketches (which film composers give to orchestrators in order to write the ridiculously large amount of music in the short amount of time they have) given to Smalley by Elfman (which I have seen/have copies of) you will find that they contain only melodic information.

I'm rather disappointed this wiki doesn't address that at all but then as an educated film composer in the world of GarageBand, I can't say I'm particularly surprised. Sean W. Malone 22:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty Shirley Walker conducted the score to Batman, as for the orchestrators Smalley was one of them, there were several orchestrators of Batman. ~\_|JaySherman|_/~ 05:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

DO you have any SOURCES beyond your personal opinion. This is a quite common accusation leveled at Elfman, but it always lacks the most basic proof. Where are these sketches? How could he have been musical director for a rock band for 10 plus years without having a basic grasp of harmony? Just because he didn't go to a conservatory to learn about composition does not mean he knows nothing about the process. 205.155.8.6 18:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Rock On!!!!!!!

You totally rock and succed in al you do!!!!!!!!!!!!! good luck with the rest!!!!!!!!!!!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.83.129.140 (talk) .

Corrections

Can someone confirm that the Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo name was shortened in 1978? Because Forbidden Zone was made in 1980 and the band is credited in that film as "The Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo."

Also it would be good to link to his brother Richards Wikipedia entry in the first paragraph where he is mentioned as "his big brother."

The whole period between 1978 and 1980 seems transitional. I don't think there were any more Mystic Knights shows after 1978 and when they "shortened down" Richard Elfman decided to start the film. Forbidden Zone was released in 1980. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 18:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Reference for whitest white kid

The only thing I found was this: http://elfman.filmmusic.com/elfman_la_times.html Unless it can be corroborated, shouldn't it be REMOVED, since he's still living?

Danny Elfman open letter

Back in the late 80's Elfman was recieving a lot of criticism for not being a proffessionaly trained musician, some of those crticis were very harsh, and Danny apparently got enough and made an open letter, i found a copy of that letter here.~\_|JaySherman|_/~ 03:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Danny's Religion

There has been a slight dispute over what religion Danny is. It has been claimed that he was born Jewish, but is now a congregational Christian. Has anyone been able to find a reliable source that clearly states his religion? --Releeshan 21:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Or maybe he's Scientologist? I find it funny that folks care so much about this topic. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 21:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

That's his brother and nephew. Danny's not a Scientologist.

Yea, no shit. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 05:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't care about it all that much, but I would like to put the issue to rest. --Releeshan 21:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, according to his myspace he's an atheist. If it's official (and it looks official) we can add him there. I'm beginning to think everyone who I admire is either atheist! http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=91904458 216.75.190.114 (talk) 04:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Selected Filmography

Guys, this isn't imdb. Could we trim down the Selected filmography to a list of the most notable scores? --Stacey Doljack Borsody 23:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The current consensus is, (don't know where I saw that anymore) that complete is preferred. If it gets too big, a separate filmography article can get created. Garion96 (talk) 08:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Then Selected is the wrong word to use... --Stacey Doljack Borsody 15:42, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

HEY, SOMETHING'S WORNG! You say Elfman didn't have any experience composing film scores when he did Pee Wee, yet, the filmography has Forbidden Zone, Back to School and Wisdom before Pee Wee, and from the music for those movies I've heard, he was really good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.76.103.98 (talk) 03:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Order of Sections

Wouldn't the sections would make much more sense in a different order? Musical Influences works best under Elfman and Burton, and the the Awards section before the Trivia. This would give the article more clarity. Groove1279 20:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Reorganized several sections. Is that good? --Releeshan 22:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Couldn't find a source for this

I found this line in the secion on his relationship with Tim Burton: Ed Wood, which was produced during the Nightmare Before Christmas-based rift between Elfman and Burton... I knew that this rift had taken place, but I had no idea what had caused this rift. My problem is that I cannot find a source for this statement, and it gives no information on what it was about Nightmare Before Christmas that caused the rift. Can anyone educate me? Larrythefunkyferret 17:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Rumors have been circulating for years about the rift, which did come about during/after Nightmare and Batman Returns production, but as far as I know noone but them really knows the whole story. I don't have a source handy, but Elfman has stated in a few interviews that it was not a work-related thing, but "a family thing". Matheson 20:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Spiderman 3

Removed Spider-man 3 from list of movies. Christopher Young composed the score, using some of Elfman's themes from the first two movies and writing some new ones. Elfman himself had no involvement with the movie. (feel free to wade through the discussion at http://elfman.filmmusic.com/forum/read.php?7,20011 if you want more info.) Matheson 02:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Meet the Robinsons

Regarding the relationship between Elfman's hearing damage and the All-American Rejects song from Meet the Robinsons: they have nothing to do with each other. Elfman's contribution to and involvement with the song in question was as a composer - AAR wrote and recorded it based on music in Elfman's original score. Elfman didn't sing on the track, he didn't play guitar on it, he didn't have to stand in front of a wall of amplifiers and thousands of screaming fans. As far as I know, he didn't have anything to do with the recording at all. Matheson 05:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Citations

I added some citations where they were requested. The only places I know of where Elfman discusses the thrill of hearing the Breakfast Machine cue for the first time are the Pee-Wee DVD commentary and the liner notes of Music for a Darkened Theater, Volume 1. Does anyone know how to cite such sources? Matheson 02:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Rift Again

Seconding the above post, I think the "rift" reference must be explained or yanked -- at the least, it's bad form to write "the rift" as if everyone knows what this is, and then offer no explanation whatsoever.

GeneCallahan 06:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

"For his agent"?

"Elfman also was in Finding Kraftland for his agent Richard Kraft."

This sentence may make sense to someone who is familiar with what is being talked about. But I can only guess what it might mean -- perhaps "at the request of his agent"? "as a favor to his agent"? "in the role of his agent"? Who knows? It could mean dozens of things.

GeneCallahan 06:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Charlie Chaplin reference

I don't get the reference to C.C. being a hummer. What's the connection? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.17.180 (talk) 11:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what it means either. Especially maybe because I'm German. What I get from the context is that C. C. let others write his works and pretend it was his own and Danny Elfman is accused here to do the same: not writing the music, but saying it's his own? Just as a thought. -- termi 01:17, 8 March 2008 (CEST)

Trivia

Elfman was beheaded by Chris Griffin in the 'Blue Harvest' Star Wars episode of 'Family Guy'. Who knows why, maybe a friendly ongoing feud with The Simpsons... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.17.180 (talk) 11:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

"Burton has made five films without Elfman...."

Is there any way we could also get a list of Burton's favorite foods and maybe even a list various jobs Michael Keaton has done before Batman in the DANNY ELFMAN ARTICLE? Why the hell is this even in here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.241.144 (talk) 00:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Danny Elfman's career has been defined in some ways by Tim Burton's, and vice versa. The information is valid (though perhaps it could be rewritten). You need to calm down a little bit. =David^(talk)_(contribs) 17:14, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The Doors

My boss tells me that he was a roadie for The Doors. Is this true? Where would this fall in his biography?--In Defense of the Artist (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Spiderman 3

I know he barely contributed but I think we should list it in his "filmographies". maybe a parenthases saying (collaboration with christopher young). whddya think? 76.27.215.219 (talk) 01:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Important Works

He did the vocals on the track 'The Little Things' from the Wanted movie. How about a mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.228.200 (talk) 00:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Should there not be at least a mention of So Lo, which was issued under his name?
Also, his pedophile song with Oingo Boingo- their most famous is never mentioned. "I love little girls" — Preceding unsigned comments added by 98.207.116.55 (talk) 18:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

1998 Psycho credit and Pee Wees Big adventure are not on here why? please add them for I am not good at editing on here please and thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.163.171.185 (talk) 17:40, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Elfman wrote the original music in Burton's Beetlejuice, which is a relatively well-regarded film (as of this writing, it is in the 100 best horror movies according to rotten tomatoes). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvaintrob (talk • contribs) 09:45, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Personal Life section deleted

Under WP:Biographies of Living Persons, I've deleted the entire Personal section. The only source used did not mention any children or Elfman's marriage. Feel free to restore the information but only in keeping with information from authoritative sources, as required by the BLP guidelines. Allreet (talk) 23:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Image

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This was the image, I'm uncertain why it doesn't work - though I hope it will soon be fixed. Maybe someone more skilled than I can deal with the coding. Thanks, TheFireTones 18:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Relationship with Tim Burton

I think that this section could stand revision; especially surrounding the disagreement between Burton and Elfman. "Having a fight" is not a good way to write that. It's too broad and almost makes their relationship sound more romantic than professional. If possible, you should try to be more specific. Was it a creative disagreement? Did one of them do something to the other? Was it a brutal fistfight? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.121.210.224 (talk) 14:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Confusing sentence

This article states:

Stating that he hung out with the "band nerds" in high school, he started a ska band.

I'm guessing that this is supposed to read something like

During high school, Elfman, who says he hung out with the "band nerds", started a ska band.

Do we have a citation for this purported quote? Michael Slone (talk) 01:32, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

What's the definition of "ska band", for those of us who are not "band nerds"? There's no "ska band" article on WP in order to look it up. Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 22:46, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

A "ska band" would be a band that plays ska music, for which there is an article -- Foetusized (talk) 23:44, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Musical Influences

There's no mention here of John Adams. I don't know of a specific source which states this relationship exists, but the influence is so clearly apparent in his work, surely some source must exist which states this obvious fact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.184.142 (talk) 22:20, 28 April 2010

Listening to Elfman scores, I would be very much surprised if klezmer did not play a major role among his musical influences. Anybody know anything about that? --BjKa (talk) 22:13, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

At least I'm not the only one of this opinion: This webpage talks of Elfman routinely "borrowing from klezmer and big-band jazz". It would be nice if we had a more quotable source, so we can add this information to the article. --BjKa (talk) 22:30, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Tim Burton

Tim Burton is mentioned as the director of Batman Forever, which was directed by Joel Schumacher. Tim Burton was actually director of Batman (1989) and Batman Returns (1992), both of which had Danny Elfman as responsible for the soundtrack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.82.200.43 (talk) 22:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace

Los Angeles or Amarillo, Texas? I can find both listed in different online references. Right now, one is in the infobox and the other is in the article with a citation -- Foetusized (talk) 14:06, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Table of works

I've created additional rows into the sortable table and aligned score album information to the right to show which of the movies had score albums released. If anyone can, please explain to me what 'score album' means — Is it an album containing the whole score music recording composed for the film, or it it something like musical/note sheets, because these can be formatted as 'paper albums'? If you have an answer, feel free to notify me. -Mardus (talk) 06:56, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

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No Simpsons/Beetlejuice/Back To the Future/etc. but 'Oingo Boingo'??

I rarely comment on the matters of prioritization (I contribute more in multimedia), but the intro is so poorly written in that it misses his most well known compositions. No user is going to be like 'Hey, that's the lead singer of Oingo Boingo!' Opertinicy (talk) 02:59, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

@Opertinicy: The lead is very poor, I agree. I plan to work on this article at some point and will refactor the lead to reflect the body more appropriately. --Laser brain (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Genres

I'm wondering: Should the genres for Elfman's article be only those of his solo works (film scores)? I note that it includes "ska" which is definitely sourced but is used to describe Oingo Boingo's music. I'm thinking those genres should be at Oingo Boingo and those here should be limited to the ones that describe his solo work. Thoughts? --Laser brain (talk) 03:06, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Children

He has three children which includes his two daughters from his previous marriage not sure why it keeps getting reverted back to 1 it’s been included in his wikipedia page that he has two daughters from his previous marriage. Dkingz (talk) 15:17, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

No lyrics writing listing?

Considering he helped out artists like Mike Oldfield with Islands (writing the lyrics while Mike did musical composition and Bonnie Tyler did vocals), why is that missing?

(Also, why is his list of tracks he sang missing too? He did a lot of the work in Nightmare Before Christmas for a start!) Tallaussiebloke (talk) 22:55, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@Tallaussiebloke: That's a great idea, especially because it is so rare for a film composer to be in charge of their lyrics to their own songs (e.g. Jerry Goldsmith and John Williams regularly composed songs for their films but almost never wrote the lyrics). I'm working on a section for "Process" right now, and then will work on a "Lyricist" section.

In regards to his lyrical output, I wasn't aware of the Mike Oldfield connection. Are there any other times outside of his own work where he's supplied lyrics? In terms of his own work, I have lyrics for all songs in the Oingo Boingo canon that weren't covers and all songs for The Nightmare Before Christmas. For the most part Corpse Bride songs were co-written or included additional lyrics by John August, except for "The Wedding Song" which is credited solely to Elfman. There's also the single songs "Twice The Love" from Big Fish (co-written with John August), "Lullaby" from Charlotte's Web, "The Little Things" from Wanted, "Alice's Theme" from in Alice in Wonderland, and "The Munchkin's Welcome Song" from Oz the Great and Powerful.

What am I missing? Should songs where Elfman just included a word or phrase in his music be included (e.g. "The Simpsons" in the The Simpsons' theme, "Mambo" in Flubber, "The Future is Alive" in Meet the Robinsons)? I know he has made residuals on the lyrics from The Simpsons theme, so at least ASCAP is counting. --Sajrocks (talk)

@Sajrocks: Not sure, I just found it after years of listening to the song and wanting to know the lyrics! Freak discovery! Talented guy! - Tallaussiebloke (talk) 11:19, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

@Tallaussiebloke: Done! Danny Elfman#Lyrics. Sajrocks (talk) 19:26, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Is Danny Elfman an actor?

"Actor" keeps being added as a descriptor in the lead paragraph I assume because of his voice work in various Burton films and perhaps his appearance as "Satan" in Forbidden Zone. But the question keeps coming back: would Danny Elfman, his peers and contemporaries, anyone in the industry or critical media consider him a professional actor? I assume the answer is no because I cannot find any source where Elfman refers to himself as an actor, and no major news articles, acting resource or professional guides that refers to him as an actor. While IMDB has a dozen or so listings under "Actor", they are all either singing voice work or as appearances as himself or with Oingo Boingo. The only true "acting" role is in Raimi's 'The Gift' and that's like barely 15 seconds with no dialogue. I cannot find anything that validates the "actor" credit, but open for discussion. --Sajrocks (talk) 17:54, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Actor should not be in the lede. The lede is there to give a reader a quick idea about why the subject has a WP article about them and summarised their notability. Almost all of his acting roles are cameos where he plays himself or very minor roles in movies that he also scored. 85.149.13.48 (talk) 16:56, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Contemporary classical music composer

I really think he can also be considered a contemporary classical music composer, beyond his film scores, just by reading his Wikipedia entry: "Elfman's first piece of original concert music, Serenada Schizophrana, was commissioned by the American Composers Orchestra, who premiered the piece on February 23, 2005, at Carnegie Hall.[51] Subsequent concert works include his first Violin Concerto "Eleven Eleven", co-commissioned by the Czech National Symphony Orchestra, Stanford Live at Stanford University, and the Royal Scottish National Orchestra, which premiered at Smetana Hall in Prague on June 21, 2017, with Sandy Cameron on violin and John Mauceri conducting the Czech National Symphony Orchestra;[52] the Piano Quartet, co-commissioned by the Lied Center for Performing Arts University of Nebraska and the Berlin Philharmonic Piano Quartet, which premiered February 6, 2018, in Lincoln, Nebraska;[53] and the Percussion Quartet, commissioned by Third Coast Percussion and premiered at the Philip Glass Days And Nights Festival in Big Sur on October 10, 2019.[54]"Mistico Dois (talk) 00:00, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

There are sources in the article for some of Elfman's music being described as contemporary classical. But as one of the main genres in his infobox? He is not primarily known for this. Elfman is known for being a film composer and for his pop/new wave days in Oingo Boingo. Avant-garde, jazz, big band, ska could just as easily be cited in the article but we don't include them because it's not what he's known for. Serenada Schizophrana was a one-off album just like his new album, which is described as "prog-industrial" in the reviews I've seen. Do we add prog-industrial to the genres too based on one album that only diehards are aware of> Lynchenberg (talk) 05:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

The question is that his recent contemporary classical music works, if we don't consider that way his soundtracks, which is arguable, represent a significant artistic crossover, which is very important for those who know his work, since he is a self-taught composer. Its not the same as his other work on popular music genres, or for classically trained film score composers. Paul McCartney, despite not knowing musical notation, already released five contemporary classical albums, since 1992, and also appears as a contemporary classical music composer in his Wikipedia infobox. Danny Elfman has at least four works released and performed which are considered contemporary classical, and most likely will continue to compose more. Which one of the two do you think makes more sense to include in that category? I wouldn't delete Paul McCartney, despite the fact that many people don't even known his classical work, but I think Danny Elfman also fits well and even better in that category. I can provide several sources about the importance of his classical music crossover: [1] [2] [3]Mistico Dois (talk) 23:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I personally would remove both classical and electronic from McCartney's article as he's known for rock and pop. No one thinks of him as a classical composer. I would argue the crossover between classical and film score music would mean classical is already covered by including film scores. Elfman is known for scoring movies and his days in Oingo Boingo, mostly broadly considered pop/new wave, though they did a lot of ska, avant-garde, and jazz music, and their last two albums consisted almost entirely of progressive/alternative rock. My take is to avoid genre overload, we should just include what the musician is known for in the infobox. Film score covers his classical stuff, and he's only released one or two true classical albums. If anything, there would be a stronger case for including rock of some kind, but I don't think that's necessary as pop and new waves are derivatives of rock, just as film scores are arguably derivative of classical. That's my two cents, I'll let you guys make the final decision. Lynchenberg (talk) 03:00, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

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Birthplace

Changed per reliable source.

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/198177

Thenub314 (talk) 18:16, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I added the reference to the article here. Thanks for your excellent sleuthing work. Binksternet (talk) 19:24, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

The reliable source is wrong. Unless Danny is making stuff up here, or the interview is phony. http://www.bluntinstrument.org.uk/elfman/archive/KCSC01.htm --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 16:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I was born in Los Angeles, but I like the Amarillo story much better. I think where that came from is, you know, doing albums for three different labels over fifteen, sixteen years, you end up having to do a bio every year, and it just gets more and more boring. By the time you've done like five or ten bios of your life, you just start making up stuff, and for some reason, one out of fifteen or sixteen bios had that particular crazy lie, because I lied about tons of stuff. After ten years it was all lies. That one stuck and that's what's so funny. I mean it was something I just randomly threw out to somebody one year: born in Amarillo, Texas, the son of a retired Air Force colonel, traveled all around the country—well, it was just a joke. And because I was bored. The fact is, I was born in Los Angeles and my parents were schoolteachers, and that's a lot less interesting. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 16:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Since he directly refutes Amarillo, the interview trumps other sources. Binksternet (talk) 16:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

coachalla

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Number of Tim Burton Films/Projects Elfman has Scored

There is consistent confusion about the number of Tim Burton films that Elfman has scored, likely because people think the Henry Selick-directed The Nightmare Before Christmas is a Burton film. To avoid confusion, someone update the lead description to indicate the number of Burton projects Elfman has provided music for. By my count they are (as of today):

• Scores for films directed by Burton: Pee-wee's Big Adventure (1985), Beetlejuice (1988), Batman (1989), Edward Scissorhands (1990), Batman Returns (1992), Batman Forever (1995), Mars Attacks! (1996), Sleepy Hollow (1999), Planet of the Apes (2001), Big Fish (2003), Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005), Corpse Bride (2005), Alice in Wonderland (2010), Dark Shadows (2012), Frankenweenie (2012), Big Eyes (2014), Dumbo (2019)
• Music contributions for films produced by Burton: The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993), 9 (2009), Alice Through the Looking Glass (2016)
• Music for Burton's television projects: Alfred Hitchcock Presents: The Jar (1986), Beetlejuice (1989), Family Dog (1993), Wednesday (2022)
• Other: Stainboy web series (2000), the Tim Burton MoMA exhibition (2009)

Let me know if I've missed anything! Sajrocks (talk) 22:24, 4 January 2023 (UTC)