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Its own article[edit]

Wikipedianuhai, it's not clear that this needed to be its own article, as opposed to simply being a section within the Human trafficking or Sex trafficking article. For what I mean, see WP:No page. No need to WP:Ping me if you reply. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 16:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have expanded the article. The sources in this article mainly focus on children, however. And we already have an Online child abuse article. Both articles also mainly focus on sexual abuse. It's clear to me that there needs to be merging between this and that article. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 01:58, 13 May 2020 (UTC) Updated post. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 02:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC) [reply]

@Flyer22 Frozen: - Thank you for your comments and starting a dialogue. This article accompanies other cyber-related articles on Wikipedia, such as Cyberbullying, Cyberstalking, Cyberterrorism, and Cyberwarfare. There is an article for Warfare and a separate article for Cyberwarfare, a type of warfare, and this is consistent with the other examples provided. Cybersex trafficking can happen to men, women, and children. This article, concerning a type of sex trafficking, is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History and WikiProject Feminism. I recently added sources about women victims of online sexual exploitation. I will add more information and citations concerning the live streaming sexual abuse of adults in future edits.-User:Wikipedianuhai 14:58, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I know that cybersex trafficking can happen to men and women in addition to children, but your sources, at the time that I checked, were mainly about children. Likely still are since sources on this topic tend to focus more so on children as victims. Because this topic substantially overlaps with the Online child abuse article, I suggested some merging. As for there being other cyber articles, that doesn't mean that this one was warranted. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments are not always strong. In fact, they often are not. That stated, at the time that I made my initial comment, this article was significantly smaller. And it currently looks like this. So I'm currently okay with it being its own article.

Since we are now discussing the article, I want to go ahead and point out that, just like you made it clear in the "Victims" section that the victims are predominantly women and children, you should also make it clear in the "Perpetrators" section that the perpetrators are predominantly men. Because cybersex traffickers aren't equally (or close to equally) men and women, we should make sure not to give that impression. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 21:04, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Flyer22 Frozen: - Thank you for the recommendation. I added a statement in the Perpetrators section that the majority of purchasers or consumers are men. - User:Wikipedianuhai 10:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I don't see how cybersex trafficking/live streaming sexual abuse with regard to children is being distinguished from child pornography. With regard to children, what can be stated on this topic that isn't redundant to/better covered in the Child pornography article? Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 17:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the rationale is that this is an aspect of child pornography that needs a separate article to address the details in a more extensive manner. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 17:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Flyer22 Frozen: - Hello. I understand and thank you for bringing this to my attention. It states on the Prostitution of children article that 'Prostitution of children is commonly associated with child pornography, and they often overlap.' I agree that there is overlap or commonalities with this cybercrime and child pornography as well and that the boundaries are not easily distinguished. I created a new section titled 'Relation to other sex crimes.' The main variation or uniqueness, stated in the literature, is that cybersex trafficking involves 'live streaming' sexual abuse or rape on a 'webcam'. This article will be expanded and improved as more publications about cybersex trafficking are released in the coming decades. - User:Wikipedianuhai 21:39, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I expect material on this topic to overlap. I'm stating, though, that cybersex trafficking/live streaming sexual abuse is a subset of child pornography. Because of this, it makes sense to consider if this topic needs to be its own article or if it could be fine simply as a subsection of the Child pornography article with its own subsections. But I know that you addressed women in the article as well and you want to address details in a more extensive manner; those two aspects contribute to an argument for the topic being its own article.

As for the "Relation to other sex crimes" section currently stating "and 'distinct in several respects from traditional conceptions of online child pornography and human trafficking."? The lead of the article should probably remove "online sexual exploitation" as a WP:Alternative title (and redirect "online sexual exploitation" elsewhere) since online sexual exploitation doesn't only involve live streaming.

And, again, no need to WP:Ping me if you reply; this is because this article/talk page is on my watchlist and I will see the comments. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 17:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Tweaked post. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 17:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC) [reply]

Agreed. Removed. Your suggestions are appreciated.- User:Wikipedianuhai 20:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I made writing edits to clarify that the cybercrime specifically involves three main actions or components: 1) trafficking, transporting, and or threatening a person into a 'cybersex den'; 2) use of webcam to produce real time rape pornography or child pornography materials that may or may not be recorded; 3) using internet and software to live stream the sex acts or rape for an online audience. It is not sexual abuse material or images alone, but the illegal actions carried out by traffickers to actualize the crime and send images to consumers.- User:Wikipedianuhai 15:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

Easy on the citation overkill. See the WP:Citation overkill essay for what I mean. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 17:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Roger. I just removed several extra footnotes to reduce citation clutter. - User:Wikipedianuhai 18:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

¿Should not the article point out that adult CyberSexTrafficking does not exist?[edit]

With all of the women consensually camping, it makes no economic sense to use forced labor. This is just another example of prohibitionists claiming that consensual commercial sex is slavery and then using that as an excuse for cracking down on SexWork.

Try asking the SexWorkers what they want. None of them want to be "Saved" by arresting them.

The article has references to real abuse of children, as well as psychos who livestreamed videos of raping adult women, without receiving money.

As heinous as psychos live-streaming their crimes is, they increase the odds that the police will arrest them, the prosecutors will charge them, and the juries will convict them because they document their crimes and identify themselves in their videos. As horrendous as the actions of these monsters is, it is not commercial SexTrafficking of adults. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:643:C002:2830:399D:E8F:193B:3C78 (talk) 08:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Data processing[edit]

Explanation 102.89.32.63 (talk) 16:10, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice kiss[edit]

So 156.211.118.38 (talk) 02:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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