Talk:Cubist sculpture

Citation needed[edit]

Some sources name Picasso's 1909 bronze Head of a Woman as the first cubist sculpture. Fair enough. Where though does Douglas Cooper credit the Czech sculptor Otto Gutfreund (1889–1927) as having created the first cubist sculpture? I have not been able to find such a source. In The Cubist Epoch, for example, it is written only that Gutfreund "responded positively to the language of Cubism, and from 1911..." and "Gutfreund, who began to use Cubist planar structure in 1911, and went on to make a significant contribution to Cubist sculpture between 1912 and 1919."

As it stand now, no source has been given for the claim.

Of course, I have not read all of Coopers writings, and such a statement may well exist. In that case the reference should be made public and posted in this Cubist Sculpture article. Until then I will remove the sentence that credits Otto Gutfreund. Once that source is found I will post the claim in the appropriate place.

At the very least, it should be written that Gutfreund was one of the first to realize a Cubist sculpture. After all, Alexander Archipenko and Joseph Csaky both worked in the Cubist style from 1910 and 1911 respectively. They too were among the first Cubist sculptors. Otto Gutfreund's Anxiety (Úzkost in Czech), was conceived circa 1911-1912. Coldcreation 13:46, 16 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coldcreation (talk • contribs)

To quote Douglas Cooper in The Cubist Epoch, (1970), London: Phaidon in association with the Los Angeles County Museum of Art & the Metropolitan Museum of Art. ISBN 0-87587-041-4 on page 232:

The first true Cubist sculpture was Picasso's impressive Woman's Head, modeled in 1909-10, a counterpart in three dimensions to many similar analytical and faceted heads in his paintings at the time. ...Modernist (talk) 22:11, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that quote. I still await however a quote by Douglas Cooper where he credits Otto Gutfreund as having created the first cubist sculpture. It seems strange that in one place he mentions Picasso as the first, and in another would mention Gutfreund as the first. In all the places where the latter is mentioned (at least 3 articles on Wiki) not one gives the original source. Coldcreation (talk) 05:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lockley (talk · contribs) started the article and the sculpture section section that was added to Cubism [1], I suspect he doesn't have a source other than this one that I added back then [2]...Modernist (talk) 11:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The assertion that Cooper said that Gutfreund was the first Cubist sculpture is removed from all 3 articles - the claim originated here [3] by Diligent (talk · contribs), without a reference for the claim...Modernist (talk) 12:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much indeed Modernist for finding the original source of misinformation, and for modifying the three articles where the misinformation appeared. Coldcreation (talk) 13:11, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you - it was a good catch on your part; I am sorry I didn't catch it years ago...Modernist (talk) 13:28, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Revised entire article[edit]

This article has just undergone an extensive revision. Many new images have been uploaded specifically for this article. The previous article lacked in many departments. Hopefully this is an improvement, though, as of now, it is still a work-in-progress. Missing are a more expansive sections for Henri Laurens and Jacques Lipchitz, as well as the section entitled By World War I, which needs to explore works executed between 1918 and 1925 in greater detail. Also, Raymond Duchamp-Villon deserves a more complete section on his short life and intense output (as do others). All in all, over the next few days, I will attempt to polish off, fine-tune parts of the text and add to the sections listed above. Anyone else with knowledge on the topic is welcome to participate. Coldcreation (talk) 17:49, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image suggestion[edit]

Make a gallery x4, 200px; too many good images here - they need organization...Modernist (talk) 13:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good point Modernist. I'll see what I can do to organize the photos better.Coldcreation (talk) 10:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Today I have moved images in an attempt to reconstruct the article coherently, and added new images as well, to improve the reader's understanding of Cubist Sculpture, it's inception and evolution. Hopefully this will now be more satisfactory (at least) to the eye of the viewer. Coldcreation (talk) 11:32, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]