Talk:Community organization/Archive 1

Critique of article

AirBritt (talk) 22:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

We plan to build on the history of community organizations. We will also add a section examining the impact of globalization and community organizations. In addition, we will explore the recent evolution of community organizations in more depth. AirBritt (talk) 22:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC) I am happy to see this entry.

In an attempt to improve the entry, here are a few comments.

1. Some community groups operate within a community that may not be defined by a geographical connection, ie "local." For example, ACORN is a community organization made up of low- and moderate-income families, working together for social justice and stronger communities.

2. The fundraising section seems a bit disconnected from the rest of the entry. For example, Community Organizations are defined as "nonprofits that operate within a single, local community." Later in the fundraising section, the entry reads "fundraising for community organizations is very different from that of charities and the larger nonprofits." By this definition, can community organizations not have a charitable purpose?

3. The following quote needs a citation: "Charities typically receive the bulk of their money from donations. Donations such as these rarely account for much more than 5% of a typical community organization's annual total." If church groups are community groups (as indicated in earlier in the entry), I would argue the veracity of the quote. Church groups are driven by donations. Also, how, then, are community organizations funded?

4. The following statement -to me- also violates the NPOV standards: "There are many reasons why community organization fundraisers have it a little h04:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)Tvhickmanarder than their charity counter-parts. Obviously community organizations have a lot less resources at their disposal than the bigger nonprofits and charities, but the main reason is that the benefits of charities are much more obvious than those of the typical community organization."

5. Really, the whole "fundraising" section is problematic. Fundraising is a process of gathering donations. Non-profits, both big and small, typically raise funds, whether they have a charitable mission or not. It is my point of view, not an NPOV, that relationship building is a key part of fundraising in general.

It is difficult to define a community organization. Interested to hear others' thoughts on this entry. Tvhickman 04:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)tvhickman

In Chicago there exists a huge problem with community organizations. They see themselves as shadow governments, and although they sometimes make a token effort to appear to be a charity, everyone knows that their sole reason for existance is to influence legislation, which in the U.S. is a violation of IRS regulations for non-profit corporations.

Advocating for or against legislation is not in violation to IRS regulations. "Extensive" lobbying or supporting a political candidate, however, does violate IRS regulations. See this link http://www.cnmsocal.org/ForNonprofits/FAQLobbying.html Tvhickman

"Community-based organization" as defined in the Workforce Investment Act (United States)--The term ``community-based organization means a private nonprofit organization that is representative of a community or a significant segment of a community and that has demonstrated expertise and effectiveness in the field of workforce investment. Tvhickman —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 15:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Contribution of Meghan McCullough & Belia Becerra (AirBritt) from Michigan Uni, Ann Arbor Campus

Before editing: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_organization&oldid=648624825

After editing: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_organization&oldid=651682607

Peer review and responses during the educational assignment in Winter 2015

1. In the very first paragraph, we suggest adding more clarity to the definition of community organizations. Maybe listing or mentioning the varied names of community organizations and their differences (if there are any). So for example, nonprofit organization vs. community benefit organization vs. settlement house.

(edited first paragraph to clarify the types of community organizations)

2. We suggest making changes to the flow of your headings. Right now you have History in the United States followed by Globalization and then Examples. Maybe you could elaborate more in the History of the U.S. and then do a section on current trends followed by the Globalization section. You could even include Globalization within current/modern section. After the flow of history to current, you could include the examples section and within that section make subheaders for History in US, Current and Globalizations and provide examples for each section. Just something to think about to make it all flow more cohesively.

(created new headings for better flow, and edited both paragraphs to develop a common voice)

3. Have you thought about adding an image? Might make it more powerful

(added powerful image)

4. Lastly for formatting/grammar, there's one word that is highlighted in blue and I think it's suppose to be Divestment but it says Divestmentfrom.

(fixed)

Overall good work! Definitely important to have a Wiki page on the significance of community organizations. -Nikki & Loren SSWUM15 (talk)

(Thanks!!!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AirBritt (talk • contribs) 20:08, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Solution focused frameworks

How does community organizations bring out community change in relation to social problems and solutions. Kindly explain the theoretical framework and strategies.117.215.198.5 (talk) 03:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Material: https://kapanjadibeda.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/community-practice.pdf http://wyke.ac.uk/uploads/ws-summer2012/sociology/socialaction-studyguide.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.241.55.4 (talk) 23:57, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Combined merge and rename request

Proposed merge with Community organizing

I support the merge, proposed originally by User:PanchoS. Through he has not explained this in this section, it is clear that this article is not about a type of organization but about the process of organizing, hence the merger with Community organizing is valid. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 6 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. A consensus to keep the article at it's current location has been established. (non-admin closure) — Music1201 ^talk 00:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Rename Community organization → Community-based organizations – "Community organization" may refer to either the process of organizing communities (it is then used synonymously with community organizing), or to the organizations (groups) evolving from this process (then synonymous with "community-based organizations"). This article mixes the two without making the ambiguity explicit.

While some authors and organizations prefer one or the other term for "Community organizing" and while slightly different perspectives on the topic may play a role, the overlap seems too large to have more than one primary article on this topic. I therefore think this article should mostly be merged to Community organizing and refocused on "community-based organizations", therefore retitling. As one may not happen without the other, I'm combining these two requests into one, and am curious whether this turns out to be a good precedent for similar situations.

--PanchoS (talk) 00:25, 6 April 2016 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 15:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

• Support (but singular Community-based organization, not plural) if you're volunteering to do the reorganization of material as described. Dicklyon (talk) 02:02, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks, you're right, it has to be singular. I fixed it. --PanchoS (talk) 10:38, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

• Object (and ping User:PanchoS) for two reasons. First, because I am not seeing ANY content about "community-based organizations" in the article, it seems to be all about Community organizing *hence I support the merge instead). Now, I am not saying the topic of Community-based organization is not notable. I did a bit of research and I found some sources; here's one that should be good enough for a stub: Sonya Atalay (2012). Community-based Archaeology: Research With, By, and for Indigenous and Local Communities. University of California Press. pp. 113–. ISBN 978-0-520-27335-1.; another one would be Rhonda Phillips; Robert Pittman (26 November 2014). An Introduction to Community Development. Routledge. pp. 154–. ISBN 978-1-134-48225-2.; a third one Stephen Paul Holzemer; Marilyn Klainberg (2014). Community Health Nursing. Jones & Bartlett Publishers. pp. 233–. ISBN 978-0-7637-8579-6. and a fourth, John William Collins (2003). The Greenwood Dictionary of Education. Greenwood Publishing Group. pp. 67–. ISBN 978-0-89774-860-5.. My point is that I don't see anything in the current article that can be salvaged into the new one. In other words, the content here should be merged to the organizing article, then a new article should be started from scratch, as there is no value of preserving any edit history here (it should instead be merged with the article on organizing). Second, because I am not convinced that the term "community-based organization" is either distinct enough or more popular then just "community organization". It might; but the literature I am more familiar with uses the term social movement organization (SMO) rather then community organization (or CBO). I'll ask an expert to comment on this, and update my post here. Oh, and in the context of Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_April_4#Category:Civic_and_political_organizations, which I believe sparked this discussion, and regarding figuring out a correct name for this article - here's an example of a book using the term "civic organization" (CO): Chihab Hanachi; Frédérick Bénaben; François Charoy (10 September 2014). Information Systems for Crisis Response and Management in Mediterranean Countries: First International Conference, ISCRAM-med 2014, Toulouse, France, October 15-17, 2014, Proceedings. Springer. pp. 146–. ISBN 978-3-319-11818-5. and apparently there is also the CSO, or the civil society organization (Civil Society Outside of Democracy: A Theory. ProQuest. 2007. pp. 2–. ISBN 978-0-549-61843-0.). As a social scientist, I apologize for my colleagues who try to coin alternative names for what very much is one and the same phenomenon (IMHO, at least). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:04, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

• @Piotrus: OK, I thought I properly explained this, but the two badges might have been misleading. Again, what I'm basically saying is that this article can't make up its mind whether it is is about the process called Community organization/organizing (then redundant to Community organizing), or about Community-based organizations (then mistitled). Take a close look at the text: it indeed contains material abut the latter. Actually the second paragraph of the lead starts talking about CBOs, and the section "Current flow of Community organizations" also does.
  Now what I'm proposing is:

1. Split apart and merge whatever refers to Community organizing to Community organizing
2. Rename the remainder to Community-based organization, and use it as a starting point for developing a new article on this topic.

And indeed, I think we have to or at least should aim for preserving the edit history, and this should be the correct process to do so.

Btw, a social movement organization is something remarkably different from community organizing, and also from community-based organizations. CBOs may contribute to or be part of a movement, but their focus is on the community, while a social movement's focus is on public opinion and public policy. The sources you're proposing, may be interesting and related, but for a general definition, they seem to be quite a bit off target, as neither archaeology nor nursing make for typical CBOs. --PanchoS (talk) 10:38, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

• @PanchoS: After a closer look I see you are right re edit history, and I support partial merge. However, the CBO related content is really sparse here, it seems to be limited only to the short section you mentioned. And while the first paragraph/source seem fine, the second source seems not to mention CBO at all and hence is ORish; I didn't examine the third para but either way there's not much to salvage here (on CBO). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

• Object, the article refers to one of the approaches in Social Work, they are: Case Work, Group Work, Community Organisation, Social Action, Research, Social Work Administration and Social Policy Analysis. Renaming it or moving it distorts the principle. Also clarify your proposal based on the lede (It can represent both community-based organizations, operating as civil society non-profits, and also as a function of organizing within communities defined by geographical location, shared work space, and/or shared experience or concerns). Simply put, CBOs include in community organization and community organizing is one of the process of community organization which makes it a sub-page of community organization.117.241.52.250 (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

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