Talk:Colleen M. Fitzpatrick

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To whoever slapped that 'notability' template on, within seconds of me starting this article - give me a chance! I do have another life, you know :-)

Also, can someone please help with 'disambiguation', to distinguish Colleen Fitzpatrick, forensic genealogist, from CP the artist? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaUKA (talk • contribs) 12:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, ok,

The notability plate is there to alert you and other people that this article is not up to standard and actions should be taken. It could have been a speedy delete candidate, and may still be if another editor does not think it is acceptable. It is not a critism. If the page is a work in progress, place a {{underconstruction}} template at the top.
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I will see about the disambiguation.
Happy editing. --triwbe (talk) 12:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry, completely forgot the tildes. Yes, good idea, will add an under construction notice. In any event have now added loads more links and sources, and am in process of converting several pdf's (reliable sources) although this might take me a day or two, so please be patient :-) AndreaUKA (talk) 13:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

I have removed some links that did not appear to validate or refer to the article subject in any way. Most of the other links seem to be self published. I am curious as to what these pdf's are and why they need to be converted. We will wait and see I suppose. --triwbe (talk) 17:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tribwe, the links (in particular the Rice University Press, who are the guys who published the Fitzpatrick books - apologies, I got the name wrong)) are all relevant to the article, if you would only give me a chance.

The pdf's, in answer to your question, are all reputable newspaper articles that I currently need to upload to a server in order to get an http:// link so that they (the articles) can be further uploaded to WIKI (I have done it before, so know whereof I speak).

And forgive me, but no - we are not talking 'self published' here, we are, in fact, talking about one of the US's leading forensic genealogists.

Can you please cut me a bit of slack on this article? I only started it today (21st Jan 2009), and I need a bit of time to work on it, have only somewhat limited time and, I must say, have never before (and I've written quite a few) been quite this pressured. Thanks. AndreaUKA (talk) 18:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, sorry if you feel pressured, but here's what I am thinking. If you are talking of uploading newpaper articles (either pdf or converted to text) then, unless the newspaper has given express permission to release the work into the public domain, you may not be allowed to upload it. I don't want you to waste your time. You may, however, simply cite the news article as a reference. See WP:CITE#HOW, no need to actually upload anything. --triwbe (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks, yes see your point. Much less work, but need to find the URLs for the articles of course and little time to search, although I'm more than willing. Meanwhile I have been in touch with Ms Fitzpatrick who has copyright permission to use the articles (and thus the pdf's), so that's not a problem but, as you say, if she can simply furnish me with the URLs it will be much easier all round. Leave it with me! Oh, and I will probably upload an image soon as well, for which Ms F has given me permission to release into the public domain :-) AndreaUKA (talk) 21:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2 things.

Copyright is a very complicated process, and unless there is clear evidence that the work has been placed in the public domain you will need to follow that process, I know you are busy but Wikipedia:Copyrights is essential reading.
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Hope that helps. --triwbe (talk) 21:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No. Not vandalism.[edit]

I have some problems with the "self-promoting" part, as I can find nothing in the sources about it. WP:BLP states that the parts of biographies of living persons that are poorly sourced should be removed immediately. I always invite discussion, but I plan on revisiting and removing it again barring someone convincing me otherwise. -- Wguynes (Talk | contribs) 23:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Promotional content[edit]

I have made a few changes to the article, mainly to remove some promotional content and non-neutral language in line with WP:PROMOTION. Helen Online 08:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the peacock clauses about being considered the founder of forensic genealogy in the main body and lede were originally added in 2016 by the subject of the article, who has a clear conflict of interest, albeit with a slightly different wording that became more absolute with subsequent edits. Note that several other forensic genealogists disagree with her personal definition of forensic genealogy, so there are multiple issues with such a statement. Helen Online 09:22, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Duplication of cases solved[edit]

Another article (DNA Doe Project) duplicates the cases solved here in the last paragraph of "Biography." I suggest making and a link from here to the DNA Doe Project. Anybody any comments? SylviaStanley (talk) 16:20, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, they belong with the project overall. Helen Online 08:58, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]