Talk:Code Lyoko/Archive 1

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New Students

The above is what the commercials said, and I think when they said this they were refering to Aelita and William, not to new people going into Lyoko. I admit I may've been mistaken, but before we jump to my new conclusion, we should wait and see...

--Wack'd About Wiki 11:15, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Dangph 16:41, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the Tele2 site, it doesn't appear to be "official", but it does seem to have input from one of the CL creators, "Madame S":

Métier / Niveau d'études : Maîtrise de cinéma et formation de scénariste aux Gobelins. Par ailleurs, directrice d'écriture sur Code Lyokô.
Ce qu'on a fait pour le site : Fourniture de documents top secrets !

I understand a small amount of French. I would translate that as follows:

Job / Qualifications: Master's degree in cinema and teacher of writing at Gobelins [a film school]. In addition, director of writing on Code Lyokô.
What you do on the site: Supply of top-secret documents!

Now that Season 2 is over, I think we could all jump to your conclusion. No new Lyoko-visitors. --Gravity Control

mabey XANA will have left some data left from when he ecaped you know given it was so sudden Djf2014 21:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Notes from US broadcast end credits

This is part of the normal show, but is normally excluded by the replacement credits used by Miguzi. While the credits were running at the end, the following was being shown in a split screen view. (Credits left side, the items below right side).

Note: I'm using square brackets and caps [ ] to denote camera and dramatic movements and plain text to describe the scenes. My own comments and impressions are in parenthesis ( ).

[ ALL SHOTS IN BLACK AND WHITE ONLY ]

[ FADE IN ]

[ ZOOM OUT AND PAN TO ]

Manilla folder with a white sticker label on the front. The label is printed with on "Waldo SCHAEFFER" in New Courier font. The folder has "CONFIDENTIAL" printed across it in Stencil font. At the bottom of the folder front is a log that is clipped during the shot. It is a circular logo with aa ring of small stars around it (like the US great seal) but with a dark colored (black?) downward pointing cheveron device in a dark reddish field.

( It is NOT the XANA eye logo. )

[ FOLDER TURNS AND OPENS TO CAMERA TO REVEAL ]

Multiple sheets of paper, stacked with photographs.

[ ZOOM IN ON BOTTOM OF FOLDER TO CLOSE-UP ON A PHOTOGRAPH ]

Photograph is a group shot of men in lab coats, business suits, arranged in 2 lines. There are 15 people in the photograph. The fifth man from the left on the top row is circled.

[ ZOOM IN A ROTATE PHOTO TO SHOW ]

Label of photo is "CARTHAGE PROJECT '74" written by hand in a masculine script.

[ PAN PHOTO AND ZOOM IN ON MAN CIRCLED IN IMAGE ]

Man is caucasian, has browish hair, bushy mustashe, small specticle style glasses, and wide spaced but bushy eyebrown. He is wearing a dark suit with tie over a white shirt.

( This man appears to be a much younger version of the man seen in the episode flashbacks. )

[ HOLD ON IMAGE THEN PAN IMAGE LEFT AND MOMENTARILY PAUSE ON LEFT SIDE MEN, THEN ]

( no reason I can see for this pan-and-hold, I do not recognize the man in the shot on that side. ) They are as follows:

Top row (left to right)

1. Man in suit with arms crossed and a 'smug' look on face. large glasses (sunglasses?) and red/light brown hair. Youngish (20's?)

2. Man in lab coat over causal wear. Dark hornrim type glasses. In different look on face.

3. Man standing behind others, suit and tie. Long wavy hair with no glasses.

4. Man in suit code. Noticable shorter than most and stocky frame. No glasses. Handlebar(?) mustche and dark hair. He is to the immediate left (from viewer's prospective) of the circled man.

Bottom Row:

1. Man in suit with striped tie. The only non light skinned person in the photo. He looks to be either Egyptian or Indian, but could be African. He is shown semi-kneeling in front.

2. Man with suit coat. Very large handle bar mustache, receeding hair line, and a angry or just agressive expression on his face. He is one of only 3 people actually seated in chairs.

3. Man in suit coat. He has horn-rim glasses and light hair. Kneeling in front.

4. Man in very rumpled lab coat over equally rumpled casual clothes. Seated in chair. He has a receeding hair line and light colored (red?) hair and a thin mustache. He is directly in front of the circled man.

There are more people in the photo but they do not make it into the final freeze frame.

The only other person of real not in the image is the other seated man. He is beside the second seated man above and nobody is infront of him or obstructing him. He is wearing a suit coat and sits with a casual air. He looks 30ish and has a "Ted Kopple" haircut (spitting image actually, right down to the semi-squint). The others in the photo are definitely arrainged around him and show body postures putting them closer to him. This could be because he is in charge, or it could be the photographer telling them to 'move in'.

[ ZOOM OUT AND SLIDE PHOTO AND FOLDER DOWN TO SHOW SECOND PHOTO ]

Photo shows the circled man from above standing in the snow with a woman in front of him.

They are standing in front of a alpine style ski house.

She has light colored shoulder length hair that partially obscured her face to the sides and a scarf obscures the bottom of her face just below her lips.

They are both standing casually to one side of the frame.

[ SLIDE PHOTO AND ZOOM IN ON PHOTO TO CLOSE UP ON HER- ZOOM ENDS CENTERED ON HER ]

The woman has her hands across her belly and her back slightly arched.

One of his hands is in his jacket pocket the other is on her shoulder.

( Note: the pan and zoom were defintely targetted on bringing attention to her belly. It appears to be the classic "Look, I'm pregnant" pose, but it's hard to tell if there is any showing bulge in the snow outfits. )

[ SLIDE PHOTO TO CENTER ON HIM ]

She definately has a happy expression on her face and he as the "deer in the headlights" expression on his.

[ ZOOM OUT AND LOWER PHOTO TO PAGE, SLIDE FOLDER TO CENTER IT ]

A bit of writing is now visible, the text is not readable but there is a flurished signature that could be "Sovoey."

[ SLIDE PAGES OUT OF FOLDER TO REVEAL PHOTO 'PROOF' SHEETS ]

There are several proof sheets. One is two horizontal bands of images as those generated by a professional developer shop. It has 2 rows of 4 or 5 images.

The other is a 3 image vertical strip like those from a self-service photo booth.

[ SLIDE AND ZOOM IN ON SJHEETS, THEN MOVE VERTICAL BOOTH SHEET UP AND FLIP IT OVER ]

The vertical sheet shows the circled man with a very full beard and the date 1994 circled on the back. He appears to be wearing a lab coat and red shirt in the vertical strip.

( This is almost exactly what the man playing the piano is wearing in the episode. )

[ DROP VERTICAL STRIP FROM VIEW AND SHOW DOUBLE HORIZONTAL STRIP ]

This is the same man with the same outfit, he is shown in front of a house and the first two frames on the lower set of the strip can bearly be made out. The first 3 images in the strip show him walking in front of a house, noticing the camera, and then turning to face it. Those lower frames appear to be a walled garden with multi-story house similar to the one shown in the episode

[ DROP FILM, PULL PAGES BACK INTO FOLDER, ZOOM OUT AND CLOSE FOLDER ]

Closing shot shows the rest of the logo at the bottom.

It appears to be a black stylized raven wings upswept, head and tail down, face full on to front. Place in a round maroon field with a black circle band around it with white stars.

Aelita's last name

Aelita's revealed last name is a huge plot spoiler and should be avoided in general use. Please do not restore it to the article. Haikupoet 06:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I've been removing it whenever it pops up. I think only Aelita's even has the reference currently. - Someguy0830 06:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

The Openings and Closings

We've probably all seen the openings and closings of the first two seasons, but what are the they like for the third season and where can I find copies of them? Sweetfreek 06:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly the same as Season 2, except the Code Lyoko logo is green, not orange. ~iNVERTED | Rob (Talk | Contribs) 07:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Sierpinski-Mazurkiewicz Paradox

Has anybody ever thought of tracking down all of the esoterisms in the math/science class scene. Just that I have a hunch we're all missing some interesting stuff here--probably cruft, but the obscure often equates to fascinating research material. Sweetfreek 08:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

An idea!

Listen! I was looking over the Talk page for the Monsters earlier, reading the argument about Just in Time being set in the Forest or Desert, and it sparked an idea! I think it's a useful one, too. Of course you all know there's a big list of episodes on the page for Code Lyoko. This is my idea. We should put the regions for each episodes there! Like for instance, next to Teddygozilla we could put (Region: Desert). Not only will my idea prove possibly useful, it'll prevent future breakouts! Laugh. --Gravity Control

That is a really good idea, Gravity Control. Let us form an alliance to promote that! --Jeremie@theLab 20:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

This is too much of a hassle, especially in some later episodes. The only time this gets argued is on talk when people forget just where an episode took place. It's never been an issue in any article. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:15, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I like that idea, too, GC. It would really help readers be able to imagine what the Lyokons are going through (like, are they having a hard time slipping on the ice or something). --User:Aelita Fan 19:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

When I write episode articles, I try to include the sector name (or names, in the second season when multiple sectors are visited per episode) whenever possible. Never fear, this problem is being dealt with. By the way, Gravity Control doesn't like being called "GC." That user prefers "Gravity." ;) --Jeremie@theLab 06:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I'll remember, Jeremie. -- User:Aelita Fan 8:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Lol...thanks, Jer! --Gravity Control

No problem! My pleasure to help out others! Jeremie@theLab

Aritcle is past recommend size again

To echo the note in the edit history, the article is about 6 kb over the recommended size. Time to find some more things to trim down, move, remove or otherwise modify to fix that. - Someguy0830 (User talk:Someguy0830|talk) 03:25, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Harper 18:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The trivia section could be combined into the subarticles, and then deleted from the main article here; worth investigating....

Article is past recomended size article is useless. Djf2014 00:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

The trivia section REALLY needs shortening. But I have no idea what to do about it... ~iNVERTED | Rob (Talk | Contribs) 19:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

It does need shortening, but it's trivia anyway. People need this information (I think?). --Gravity Control

They provide interesting tidbits of information that might not otherwise be known. However, some of the trivia (i.e. the "Matrix" allusions) are covered in the episode articles. Surplus trivia that is covered by other Code Lyoko articles already can be removed. Jeremie@theLab

A part of trivia...

Below has nothing to do with above. However, it was mistakenly inserted in above. 03:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Code Lyoko has not been dubbed into Japanese as of yet, despite Yumi obviously being from that country. However, Lyoko would be pronounced the same way as the Japanese word for "trip", ryoko.

Starring Japanese person, pronounce of the term is not good answer for "Why this series should air in Japan?".--성혀니^{talk with me}_{see my work} 15:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I wish it would air in Japan. On a note, trip is pronounced ryōko. (I speak Japanese.) --Gravity Control

Whoamg, j00 speak Japanese...?!?! Claude 02:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Carthage! Take it easy, you act like I speak Klingon! Yeah. Near the bottom of my user page I state that I speak Japanese, though only a small amount. --Gravity Control

Lyoko Regions

In the Lyoko section they mention the five regions, but there really is no mention of the Desert, Forest, Glacier, Mountains, or Carthage. There should be a section describing the regions.

Lyoko article - There is. Read that. - Someguy0830 (Talk) 19:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

i think that there might be a sixth sector coming out of carthage's top which has not been noticed. Maybe death or lava sector. Djf2014 14:27, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Like I tell everyone else that proposes that, where would they fit a sixth sector? Look at the image of Lyoko. There's nowhere else to put one. Five is the most they'll put in. Anything else would be superfluous and mess up the design style. - Someguy0830 (Talk) 18:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

im talking kind of like how carthage is outside or one of those non-sector strands(see picture) Djf2014 21:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

That's a coordinate grid, not an actual structure. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

im so stupid Djf2014

That outside structure looks like a giant Guardian.--Frogger626 16:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

If you mean that giant bubble surrounding the regions/sectors, (whatever you want to call them. I refer to them as sectors) that is actually the Digital Void's location and the final border of Lyoko which separates it from the black nothingness. Also, if the bubble was a Guardian, Lyoko's sectors would be obscured by the bright orange surface. That's a good observation though. --Jeremie@theLab 14:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I think that the picture of Lyoko is pretty! Very mysterious! :^o --User:Aelita Fan 17:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

It's definitely detailed. Before I saw that image, I had no idea what Lyoko looked like. I thought it was just a bunch of sectors floating in cyberspace or something. --Jeremie@theLab 06:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I used to think that it was one great big island with sector 1 north, sector 2 east(2 is Mountain, right?) sector 3 south and sector 4 west - I don't remember where I thought sector 5 was. Under the island, maybe. I was just about awestruck when I saw the picture; it looks kind of like a star! -- Aelita@Lyoko 21:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't really think you could apply the compass rose to Lyoko, and I'm confused on sector numbers. I think it goes Ice Barrie 1, Mountain 2 and around the wheel with Sector 5 in the middle. What I think Lyoko represents is basically the four predominate enviornment categories of the real world in virtual form, with Carthage as the nerve center. Lyoko was originally a staging ground and XANA's partner in destruction of Project Carthage, after all. But Franz Hopper probably added the natural territories when he repurposed it for his and Aelita's sanctuary. As for the star thing...it really looks more like a cross to me, but it's all according to interpretation. :) Jeremie@theLab

Inappropriateness of the producers

Forgive me for my bluntness, but... There seem to be certain scenes in Code Lyoko which have very subliminal (implicit) insinuations of sex (but turn out to be something else). One example is the episode when Odd has the girl from the other school, and she says something like "Are you ready for a real thrill?" in a sinister fashion, with Odd sweating nervously, and she then says, "Then take me to the computer lab!" It turns out that she steals a computer. Can anyone find more examples of such insinuations? I think that the producers are sick to put in these subtle meanings. (There are also less subtle but still chaste incidents between Ulrich and Yumi, such as at the pool and when they get locked in the Hermitage house. These, however, are not subliminal messages.)

It's a French show. They're not as uptight. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

It really grabs me sometimes at just how trivial the objections raised about such things can get! As was just said, the French are not as uptight. The old saying about "no sex please, we're British" should be complimented with "more sex please, we're French". But the real kicker is not the sex but the stereotypes... is there not one character who is an ethnic stereotype--granted that most Americans would likely miss nearly all of them. Sweetfreek 08:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

whatch it,i`m french!!Cole Daigneault 07:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Ironically, the British are less uptight about sex than America is. They are famous for putting inuendo their into things without actually putting sex or nudity in too. You only have to look at the Carry-On films to see that.

--perfectblue 06:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Look at Monty Python and the Holy Grail as well. That's British and quite risque. There is one entrie scene where the maidens of Castle Anthrax attept to seduce Sir Galahad into having sex and spanking all of them, which is ironic since Galahad is supposed to be a virgin. Galahad was actually going to have sex with all of them until he was rescued by Sir Lancelot. However, I must say that both the British and the French have sexual inuendos everywhere, and Americans aren't completely innocent either. --Jeremie@theLab 15:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I am so agreeing with you, Jeremie@theLab. Americans aren't as innocent sexually as they would have people believe. I wish they would just sober up already. --User:Aelita Fan 19:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Amen to that! I'm getting tired of sex as a joke in popular USA media. At least Code Lyoko isn't as bad as, say, The Steve Harvery show. That was just sick. Code Lyoko is actually quite mild by today's standards. --Jeremie@theLab 06:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

In that case, I am never watching The Steve Harvery show. If the stories I make up involve sex, it's in the most minor forms. For instance, a girl is taking a shower and a monster leaps through the window. A little later, the girl is running down the street in a towel and slippers. That's pretty much as sexually extreme as my stories get! -- Aelita@Lyoko 21:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Is Code Lyoko considered Anime?

My sister keeps asking this question about Code Lyoko. It's a French cartoon, but she says the characters' eyes look like anime. Can anyone clear this up?

French anime. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

i can save your day show her some 3-D pictures of carthage Djf2014 21:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Depends on what definition you use. Japanese uses "anime" as all animation. From the American definition... I would say influenced hevily by. It uses some common features, certainly, but the overall feel isn't quite the same. This is very POV though. --Kinkoblast 02:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd call it anime. Fanfiction.net also puts it under the "Anime" category as opposed to the "Cartoon" category. Sure, it may not be from a Japanese origin, but it's certainly in the style of it. ~iNVERTED 23:58, 28 March 06 GMT

Anime comes from Japan, but many people,(for some whack reason,) feel that anime should be used to describe ANYTHING out of the U.S.A. Hope that helps.

I've never heard of people thinking the anime is any cartoon not from the US... the background and the plot do resemble anime. But their eyes don't look anything like it. You could say that it's "French anime", like someguy suggested.

I definately agree about the eyes not being anime. There's hardly anything to those eyes. Do they have any iris at all? I do think that this kind of animation looks almost real, especially with the absence of special effects (stretching faces, and the like). -- Aelita@Lyoko

I've noticed that, A@L. Still, I'll agree with the "French anime" thing as well. That seems to be the only thing that really qualifies with Code: Lyoko. --User:Aelita Fan 19:55 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure how anyone could think this is anime. It doesn't look anything like the stereotypical look of anime. I'm also heavily against calling in "French anime". It's bad enough people consider Japanese cartoons to be different from Amercian cartoons, we don't need to start thinking French (or European in general) cartoons are different either. --User:Amibite 1:02 12 September 2006

"Anime comes from Japan" - True, but you have to understand the origins of the word 'Anime'. Japanese Animation is too long a word to give to a genre. I believe it went from Japanese Animation to Jap-animation or Jap-anime, and then simply 'Anime'. (Again I'm not 100% sure on the exact evolution of the word except for 'Japanese Animation'). Personally, I'd simply call Code Lyoko "Great Animation." ;)

Returning to the past

When Jeremie does returns to the past, why is only Team Lyoko able to remember the reversion, regardless of who is in the control room of the factory or outside the factory (even visitors to the factory are left without the memory of what happened, but Team Lyoko members at school do remember the events)?

Time travel (Code Lyoko) (relevant article) - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

great but it is impossable becuse you cant look into the future which is nessary

Who said it was neccessary? --Gravity Control

becouse i follow the theory of substution on how back to the past works Djf2014

The what? -- Aelita@Lyoko

Typos aside, is that even a relevant theory? The Theory of Substitution is all mathematical and deals with replacing certain values with variables. Now, I suck at Math and I just drew a blank when my teacher hit substitution in Geometry last year, but I think there are more viable theories regarding time travel out there. --Jeremie@theLab 07:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Case and point. Check out Time travel. It's fully of science jargon but it has all the relevant theories. --Jeremie@theLab 07:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I rather suspect the theory spoken of is a theory about how time travel works in Code Lyoko, rather than the mathematical theory. There have been a few. If I remember correctly, the substitution theory is that members of the gang in the past are simply replaced with their future selves.

Personally I don't get too bothered about the science of time travel in the show anyway. It's only a time reversion, so it won't produce paradoxes (until they want to, that is :) ), and it doesn't really make scientific sense because of the human involvement anyway (there's no scientific reason why the dead can't be brought back to life by time travel). Spottedowl 18:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

That substitution thing probably is what happens...although I think it's just their minds that are sent back, considering some rather serious injuries have been countered with return trips. -- User:Aelita@Lyoko 20 August 2006

Proper title?

I have not seen any proof that this is called "Code: LYOKO" (as suggested by the current title) as opposed to "Code: Lyoko". Everywhere that that text appears on the show, it is all in capitals. "Code: LYOKO" is also a bit of an eyesore. So shouldn't we rename this to "Code: Lyoko"? ~iNVERTED 00:03, 29 March 06 GMT

We know, but it was decided in the name of correctness and accuracy (and as it appears in the most televised show guides). --Ngorongoro 28/3/06

Moonscoop spells it Code Lyoko and lists it as such in their trademarks. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

In that case, I suggest it be changed. ~iNVERTED 21:42, 30 March 06 GMT

Who cares? -- Aelita@Lyoko 17:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

A quick question...

"To complicate the situation, they must do this while ensuring their classmates and teachers are not killed (because going back in time cannot bring back those killed by XANA)..."

How can this be true when Odd dies just before going back in time at the end of the episode 'killer music'? Tenchi Muyo 16:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)Tenchi Muyo

Simple. Because Odd didn't die.--Claude 18:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. His heart was still beating. You can hear the heart monitor beeping as the return trip occurs. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure the heart monitor shows his heart stopping because the line goes flate. But I suppose I'm out voted. lol! Tenchi Muyo 13:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)Tenchi Muyo

It doesn't. You're just remembering it wrong. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

No, Odds heart did stop. the line went flat, but it may have restarted at the return trip initiated.

I don't think you die right away when your heart stops. It's like holding your breath - you don't suffocate immediately when you stop breathing, you suffocate when you run out of air. -- Aelita@Lyoko 21:32, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Odd redirects

In the course of moving the page and correcting double redirects, I encountered these two:

The first one looks like some sort of POV statement about the show, and I have no idea what the second one's supposed to mean. Neither's in use by anything. But I know nothing about the subject of this article, so I ask: should I delete them? Bryan 07:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, Fake Anime is just someone's poor idea of a joke, so it can be deleted. As for the other, it can be deleted, too. It just refers to an event covered by another article (Time travel (Code Lyoko)). - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 07:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. Bryan 15:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Why is the link to Code: WIKI being removed?

Many users have added the Code: WIKI link to the external links section of the page. Why is Code: WIKI not a good source of information on Code Lyoko? All stuff there is thoroughly researched, I can guarantee that. I think the user who took away the link has a personal vandetta against the site itself. I think the link to Code: WIKI should be added and kept there. KFan II

Refer to the policy.

Occasionally acceptable links

3. Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)

We already have two fan sites links, which is only the case because they are closely related. Any fansite, even external wikis (with the exception of some sister project wikis) count as fansites.

Links to normally avoid

1. Any site that contains factually inaccurate material or unverified original research, unless it is the official site of the article's subject or it is a notable proponent of a point of view in an article with multiple points of view. (See WP:RS for further information on this guideline.)

3. Links that are added to promote a site. See External link spamming.

This is completely made-up.
First paragraph is incorrect.
Made-up term. This article set used to have such a term, but it has since been removed.
Made-up term and factually inaccurate.
First paragraph is factually inaccurate.

That's only a portion of the errors. In all, the website has many factual inaccuracies and original research and cannot be verified. It fails point #1 of WP:EL. Second, it's your website, which means you're spamming the link to gain notability, which is not allowed under point #3. You had a similar problem on the Bionicle page. Until it gets improved and facts are straightened out, it doesn't belong here. - Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, there's a lot of things here that are factually correct! For example, the Defender and Sentient articles. They are true facts. Sure, the names aren't said, but that doesn't matter. It is Odd, Ulrich, and Yumi's duty to defend Aelita, hence the title. Sentient is a word that mean "something capable of thinking intelligently", like a human. That said, I believe that the information on Code: WIKI is factually correct and based on actual information provided in the series. --User:Angie Y.

I was against the removal of the Code: WIKI link at first, my argument being that if it is the best wiki available for Code Lyoko, it should be linked to. But fan inventions should not be presented as genuine facts; that's misleading. That applies to article titles too; true, the title 'Defender' is descriptive, but unless it's qualified as such, people might confuse it for a genuine fact. Spottedowl 18:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Spottedowl is right. If it is not official, it should be noted as such. KFan II 19:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Still, your wiki fails the qualifications to be added. Even if some of your information is true, a fair portion of it is not. It needs to be corrected before it's linked here. If it's not official, then it's unverifiable original research. That is something the policy is against. I didn't even point out all of the errors, and there are quite a few beyond what has been linked. For example, Milly and Tamiya do not print their newspaper in the garden shed. It's a tool shed. They're not even allowed in there. Then there's the shippings, excessive amount of stubs, completely made up places (the ancillary level, for example). Your site needs to be straightened out. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:52, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see what's wrong with information about fan topics on an external site, as long as they're identified is such. If Code: WIKI is intended to cover fan topics (such as relationships) as well as the show itself, should that exclude it? Spottedowl 20:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll agree that the shippings is really a moot point, but it still has quite a few errors that need to be addressed. A fair amount of it is misleading. For example, it continually references the time travel mechanism as being intentional, when Hopper clearly states that he discovers it as "an interesting property of the supercomputer," meaning that it was not intentionally created. Then there's refering to Project Carthage as intended to monitor enemy communications, when it was in fact designed to disrupt them. It also makes quite a few assumptions about just who is chasing Hopper, though to be fair they are fairly logical assumptions based on the look of the agents. Then move on to just how the supercomputer works. The site continually references different things taking up "bites" (bytes) in the supercomputer, even though a quantum computer would not use any traditional type of memory storage nor has it shown any consistent lack of memory. Only two episodes actually show the memory filling up, and even with it full Xana is easily able to call monsters. I can understand some misconceptions or errors in some cases, but Code WIKI just has far too many. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, instead of complaining about it, why don't you fix it, Someguy. So seem to know a lot about the show. Code: WIKI could use someone like you. GANDALF1992 22:13, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I did try, but my edits were reverted by the admin KFan II under the heading "Fixed stupid edit by the weirdo Someguy or whatever" when they were accurate edits that use information in the show as a basis and not speculation. KFan II has a habit of not listening to those who have a different opinion than him, and you know this for a fact. I'm not going to try to edit a site where opinions are not listened to or respected, as evidenced by his complete disregard for any voting process. Quoting the talk section of the main page "With my new emergency powers, given to me by Gandalf1992, I hereby call off this useless vote. It remains Code: LYOKO! KFan II the Administrator". This is enough reason not to allow the site to be linked here, but I'm willing to look beyond the anti-democratic nature of the admin if the information gets cleaned up. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:28, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I should also note that KFan II tends to be very paranoid about other wikis, with the exception of this one, which is far too popular for him to complain about. In the last section of Angie Y's talk page, KFan II gets into a fit the second he hears that Angie has made another wiki. He goes on about her becoming an enemy and so on. He also mentioned specifically in the rules that editing on rival wikis will get you banned. This has since been replaced with "You cannot create another Code: LYOKO wiki if you are a user of this website! Punishment: Banishment for infinite time. (This is the ultimate offense.)". I can understand not liking competiton, but this is just childish. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Look, Someguy, KFan II might be autocratic, obnoxious, and rude, but codelyoko.net links to his website. If a website that has imput from the head of writing, it must have some value (codelyoko.net claims to have imput from the director of writer). And, I understand that you have objected KFAN's administration, but that does not justify you deleting a link to a relatively well-reasearched database. GANDALF1992 23:28, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

First, codelyoko.net is a fansite. You can submit nearly any link you feel like to that site, and they'll accept it simply because Code Lyoko is in the name. It does not justify Code WIKI. Second, my removing that link is justified, as stipulated in the WP:EL policy to which I've referred several times. Code WIKI is not well-researched, which I've clearly shown above, and I didn't even cover all of it. If you'd like, I can cite a similar debate on the Bionicle article. KFan II, among others, tried to include tried to their websites on that page. Their websites were inaccurate and incomplete, and it was decided that they did not qualify under the policy. This is no different. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Look! I know I may be a little bratty sometimes, but calling me childish is simply rude, Someguy. For your information, all the information I put on my website I researched. Just because some other users put inaccurate information on it does not mean I should be blamed for them not varifying their material. And the point of the whole website is: it's a wiki, and still growing. Everything on a wiki should not be counted as completely and absolutely accurate, as anyone can edit it. Code: WIKI is relatively new, it's only been there two months or so. The whole point of putting a link there was to try and get more users to come so people can make it better.

By the way, it seems you are the only one who objects to the link's precense. KFan II 02:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Someguy, Code: Wiki is entirely new and there is so many controversies over Code: Lyoko, that there cannot always be a fact, as you may now from debates on Code: Wiki's talk pages. Futhermore, the purpose of the link was to encourage people to join our wiki, so it could develop and become more accurate, as you hope. GANDALF1992 02:53, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Banning because people make a Wiki is childish, KFan. You make think that statement is rude, but I'm just being honest. Acting like that just shows you're not confident enough to face any competition. You're also responsible for the majority of the edits, so you can hardly claim ignorance when your information turns out to be wrong. As for the website, it may become better, and that would be fine. However, what you keep failing to realize is that Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. Linking it here is spamming it in order to gain notability. Until it is accurate, it does not belong here: simple as that. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

You have a link from List of monsters in Code Lyoko to a site that lists Bloks and Blocks. Oooh! That's against da rules! Also, I am not throwing hissy fits because other people made a wiki, it's just that I don't like it when I have a Code Lyoko wiki and they make one. That's kinda rude, tis not? And by the way, this is not a discussion about my behavior - it's about the site. It might not be completely accurate, but it's a wiki and can be changed. Why don't we take a vote? That way it'll be democratic and fair. KFan II 14:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Codelyoko.net may have some slightly contradictory information, if you can consider slightly different and equally acceptable names contradictory, but the majority of their information is accurate and they provide unique resources beyond what this article does. Your website does neither of those things. The only reason their site uses slightly different monster names is because they took previous information from here to make their website. As for your voting suggestion (now removed), policy isn't democracy, it's policy. You follow it, reardless of what your opinions to the contrary may be. Your site goes against policy, which I've made clear several times now. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 14:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course your right, Someguy, but if policy isn't democracy, it's policy, why are you complaining about my policy? My policy is "Users cannot create other Code: LYOKO wikis". That's policy. So even if it is childish, it is policy. See this page for the policies of Code: WIKI. Also, if the site is so factually incorrect, you can fix it. And also, how can users fix it if I don't put a link to it. "An unknown site, no matter how good it is, will never get better if it remains unknown." KFan II 18:43, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

There's a difference between sensible and nonsensible policies. Your complaint about other wikis is the latter, a policy against non-helpful links is the former. Second, I already mentioned why I don't edit your wiki. Scroll up. Third, you have a link to it on codelyoko.net, so I suggest being content with that. Linking it here detracts from the encyclopedia, because your website claims misconceptions and inaccuracies as truths. Wikipedia is not a web directory and should not be treated as such. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

But there's a lot of things on Wikipedia one cannot know. For example, with the Wikipedia article on minor characters in Code Lyoko, you cannot tell whom Paul Gaillard, for example is. Code: WIKI tells you. There's a bunch of unique information on Code: WIKI, like long episode summaries and such, that isn't present on Wikipedia. Linking there is a good idea. KFan II 21:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Why not just add the information on the minor characters to the minor characters page on this Wiki? Nezu 21:47, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Paul Gaillard dances on a table in one episode and becomes a zombie in another. Plus, there's a link at the bottom of List of secondary characters in Code Lyoko which identifies every single character with appropriate images. Identifying an unimportant character is not a unique resource. Second, longer episode summaries is basically just spoiler material for those who want it. It is not a unique resource. Third, no matter how many times you try to put a good foot forward, you still have the other unacceptable foot in plain view. I do not know how much simpler I can make this. Your site is inaccurate. Therefore, it fails the WP:EL policy. Because of this, it is not included. It always comes back to this. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense to link to another wiki when this one is already here to serve a purpose.--Claude 22:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

You are claiming many times that Code:Wiki is inaccurate. Can you please give some evidence. And the only reason for its inaccuracy is because the lack of users (though it is sizeable enough), and you refusal to post a link only discourages them. GANDALF1992 00:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Another think to point out: you link to a website that spelles Herb's (or Herve's, whatever you want to call old zitface) name as HervÉ. I actually inquired them about this. So you link to a site that is factually incorrect as well! What makes Code: WIKI worse? KFan II 01:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Hervé is the correct French spelling and a capitalized E is hardly factually inaccurate. Stop mudslinging and take care of your own site. Also, you can't claim I've provided no evidence this late into the discussion. It's right there in black and white and even blue in the case of links. Scroll up and read from the top of the section. I linked five pages which are either inaccurate or completely made up. I also listed several more facts your site consistently gets wrong and has yet to correct. You've even responded to it. You can't claim ignorance now. Read my responses again. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Forget it, I'll redo the list for clarity. This one is fairly complete.

Is that good enough for you? As a slight addition, the site also has an excessive amount of stubs, many of which are only one paragraph. A few even have only one sentence. This is why your link does not belong here. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 07:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe if you stopped complaining you could fix these! Sheesh! KFan II 19:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe if you researched your facts they wouldn't be wrong in the first place. You have your reason why your site does not belong here. I suggest getting to work on correcting it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't write half of what my users put on there. Also, if there's no new users, how is anyone going to correct stuff? If you put a link, people might correct the wiki. 67.171.69.150 21:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Assuming you're KFan, don't even try to lie about what you did and what you didn't write. Any mildly experienced wiki user can read the edit histories. In almost every instance I noted, you are directly responsible for the misconceptions and/or complete factual inaccuracies. The nature of the wiki makes it impossible for you to deny responsibility. As for adding the link, I am not going over this again. Over 38 pages (nearly an 1/8th of the content on your website, that's a lot) is wrong. It fails the policy. It does not get added. The policy is clear on this. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

اود ان اجد لعبة لكود ليوكو —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.218.35.9 (talk • contribs)

Fine, fine, you're right, Someguy, we must make it better. I agree. KFan II

P.S. If there is a Wikia on the subject of the article, is it required to link to it? Note: this has nothing to do with the subject at hand, just asking...

No. Even if it's on Wikia, it's subject to the same restrictions as any other site. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I see you're moving your entire site to Wikia. This will not affect how the policy judges your wiki. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:38, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree that Code: WIKI needs a little cleaning. About a month ago I visited it, and when I saw that Yumi's mother's first name was Miyuki, I thought it was true! I used it for my fanfics! So, it's good that you're cleaning it...although Miyuki is a cool name. But at least you two are about done arguing. No one wins, no one loses. And by the way who put Arabian up there? What's it for? --Gravity Control

Wasn't me. --User:Angie Y.

For now I'm classifying it as UAA: Unidentified Anonymous Arabian. --Gravity Control

I see that our arguement is over. By the way, you link to codelyoko.net, which links to Code: WIKI, so shouldn't you delete that link? KFan II 14:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I shouldn't even have to explain why that logic is flawed. Their website is fine. It stays. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

arabian identifyed I would like to find a game code Meeting —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.88.130.121 (talk • contribs) .

Not the place I'm afraid. Find a forum that deals with such an activity. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 16:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

CL...cancelled?

What's all this garbage about Season 4 being the final season? --User:Angie Y.

It's just that. There's no proof that it's the final season. In terms of likelihood, it probably is, but to say that with certainty now is wrong. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I heard from my friend Rhys that the show is still high in the ratings. --User:Angie Y.

I wouldn't know, and I doubt he does either. For some reason they haven't been releasing the ratings information for this show. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know when Season 3's coming out? KFan II 22:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

It's in the article. Sometime around September. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you think we'll get more presice information as the date nears? KFan II 01:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

One would assume so. They won't just spring it randomly for kicks. When the date is known, it'll be known. Until then, the rough estimate of September is the best we're getting. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Is it possible it will start earlier, like in August? Or do they usually do it during the non-fun year? KFan II 02:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

In a word, no. It starts in September in France. It will not air in the U.S. before that point. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:09, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Season 2 aired in the U.S. before it aired in France. - KFan II

No it didn't. Check the airdates listed in the article. Season 2 aired in France in late August. It aired in the U.S. in mid-September. It only finished in the U.S. first, and that's because Cartoon Network runs through the episodes a lot faster than France does. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 18:20, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

As long as the episodes keep coming for a while, I'll be happy. --Jeremie@theLab 20:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

First of all, Code Lyoko Isn't cancelled. Season 3 has already been maded, but hasn't aired. And, Season 4 is currently in Production. AVGfreedude8:36, 2 May 2066 (GMT-6)

I'm with you all the way, Jeremie@theLab, although the only way I know about the first season is through your recaps - I never got to watch season 1. -- Aelita@Lyoko

I'm really hoping that you get to see the episodes. My recaps are nothing compared to the real thing. --Jeremie@theLab 06:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I hope so too, Jeremie@theLab! No recap can beat the episode itself! BTW, who's writing "Tip-Top Shape?" I'm desperate for that one! -- User:Aelita@Lyoko 20 August 2006

I've written most of them. I'm going to start that one this afternoon after checking my messages and replying. --Jeremie@theLab 17:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, Aelita@Lyoko, though you've never seen Season 1, it wasn't that spectacular. You didn't miss a great deal. As I'm sure you've heard, it was repetitive. And in my opinion, the only episodes worth watching were "Teddygozilla" (because of it being the first ever episode), "Image Problem", "The Girl of the Dreams", "Code: Earth", and "False Start". Outside of that, everything was prose. --Gravity Control

I liked most of Season 1. Certainly however, "Frontier", "Routine" and "Ghost Channel" are very much worth watching, in addition to your suggestions. ~iNVERTED | Rob (Talk | Contribs) 10:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

It was that bad? One reason I want to see Season 1 is because when I first started watching CL I somehow thought that Aelita was always human. Another reason is to see an ability of Odd's that doesn't appear in the second season - his foresight. Does Ulrich use his Triplicate ability much in Season 1? Of all the episodes I've seen (only ten, from St. Valentine's Day to XANA's Kiss and two only half of) he hasn't used it once!

P.S. What's prose? -- Aelita@Lyoko 22:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I think this usage of prose was meant to indicate that the other episodes were merely 'filler'. It starts with some daily aspect of their lives, Xana attacks, they deactivate a tower and possibly fix some problem in their normal lives. There's also the occasional "So close!" in regards to devirtualizing Aelita or seeing Jeremie in Lyoko. Frontier was a good 'prose' episode, in regards to tempting the viewer with possibly seeing a Lyoko-ized version of Jeremie, and I'm fairly sure there's another episode where they imply Jeremie was in Lyoko but they don't actually show it to the viewer. Aside from the ones mentioned by Gravity Control, there aren't a whole lot in regards to plot advancement, but they're still fun to watch!-- (I don't really have a User name here, just wanted to answer that last question)

Estimates as to Seasons 3 and 4?

Does anyone have any guesses as to what content will be on seasons 3 and 4 of Code Lyoko? Considering that XANA can attack anywhere at anytime now on Earth, do you think he'll start attacking other cities and countries? I'd like to see how the Lyoko animators draw landmarks like Versailles or the Eiffel Tower. --Jeremie@theLab 20:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Your guess is as good as anyone else's, but talk pages aren't the place for idle chatter. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:15, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for that. I'm new here and I'll figure it all out sooner or later. Thanks for helping me figure out what idle chatter is. --Jeremie@theLab 22:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey! This is not idle chatter! Jeremie@theLab was going to start and intelligent conversation about the topic at hand. Someguy was just being obnoxious, as he is always. Jeremie@theLab, if your intelligent comments are classified as "idle chatter", visit Code: WIKI, the place for true fans of Code Lyoko, where all your comments will not be classified as idle chatter. KFan II 14:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Click here. "Wikipedians generally oppose the use of talk pages just for the purpose of partisan talk about the main subject. Wikipedia is not a soapbox; it's an encyclopedia. In other words, talk about the article, not about the subject. It's only the habits we encourage that keep Wikipedia from turning into a slanging match." As I said, idle chatter. And don't use the talk page as an method to advertise your site. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 14:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Just saying, Code: WIKI is a great place to talk about Code Lyoko. KFan II 16:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

That's still advertising and you know it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Look, where's the rule saying you can't point someone to a site on a talk page? KFan II 01:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to clutter up the talk page with this, so I'll be brief. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. This includes advertising your inaccurate website in an attempt to foster membership. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for spam. Pacific Coast Highway ^{blah • my tracks} 02:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

That rule you are pointing to states that advertisements and spam are not to be put in articles. Is this an article? No. It it a talk page, geniuses. KFan II 16:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't be dense in an attempt to ignore the rules. That applies both in articles and on talk pages. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Season 3 Truths.

Well, Season3 of Code Lyoko is now due into America by September 16, 2006. And, it will be only 15 Episodes. It is only a Divider of Seasons 2 & 4. Not a big deal. And, Season 4 is over 40 Episodes. It will be divided into two parts, and will go very deeply into the Creation, Foudning, etc. of Lyoko. One of the parts of Season 4 will come out March 2007. I do not know the other date. --AVGfreedude 01:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)AVGfreedude

Season 4 is thirty episodes, not forty. We already knew the rest of this. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, for goodness sakes Someguy0830, must you be such a condescending snot in all of your comments above. This is just a Talk page, Wikipedians should be both accurate and respectful in all of their contributions. There is no need to talk down to fellow contributors for any inaccuracies. If you're going to contribute Someguy0830, make comments that add to the article, not take down the contributors.--Wikiphilia 21:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I just correct what I see is wrong. Also, like I said, this is in the article, so we did already know it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The user who posted the comment might not have read the entire article. Sheesh. KFan II 14:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

According to CodeLyoko.net, episode #53's name (in French) is "Droit au Coeur". Doesn't that mean "Right to the Heart" in English? Correct me if I'm wrong... --Gravity Control

Basically, though it is likely a rough translation. Jeremie@theLab 18:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Why is the link to the official site being removed?

According to WP:EL, "Articles about any organization, person, or other entity should link to their official site, if they have one.". Why is the link to the official Code Lyoko site being removed? KFan II 18:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

| num_episodes = 97
| website = http://www.codelyoko.com/
| imdb_id = 0417311

Already linked right there. You're just duplicating it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh. I see. Sorry. KFan II 23:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I'm glad it was removed. It hasn't been updated,and it gave my computer a virus for about 2 weeks. but, that's just me.

Season 3 on September 16?

Someone said Season 3 comes in to America on September 16. That's a weekend day! KFan II 01:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

It'll be on a Monday, but which Monday isn't clear. You can be fairly sure it won't air on a Saturday. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you think they'll tell us when the date gets nearer? KFan II 21:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Since it's bad practice to just spring it on people, yes. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 00:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Amen to that! --User:Aelita@Lyoko

I say the same, A@L, although I wish I knew if it was coming through on Kids WB or something like that. At least that I can acess. -- User:Aelita Fan 20:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Cartoon network Q&As

Does anyone know why Cartoon Network is taking Code Lyoko off the air? Is it just until Season 3 or what?

They still show it, don't they? Its just reruns. 198.144.43.210 16:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

It's going off the air. Come to think of it, it already has. it won't be back until season three is about to start, at which point they'll rerun both seasons for those who need to catch up. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 00:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Why would they do that? Bad ratings? Once Season 3 is back on, will they keep it on the air, or keep it off the air until Season 4? KFan II 00:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

It prevents over-saturation of a series, though they've already accomplished that with Code Lyoko several times over. Fundamentally, stagnating a lineup on any channel, especially when said lineup is mostly reruns, is a terrible idea. Like I said, when season three comes along, they'll bring it back. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Japanese dub of Code Lyoko

Will there ever be a Japanese version of Code Lyoko? --User:Angie Y.

<shrug> – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Who cares? I'm not Japanese? Is there a Hungarian version of Code Lyoko? KFan II 02:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Unlikely. VERY unlikely Djf2014 19:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe. If Code Lyoko plays on a Japanese TV, it must have a japanese dub, right? XD Well, I'm not japanese, but I think it'll exist or it already exist. User:Metra-San

How is that true? Considering that Japanese is also spoken in Brazil, it should be the case. --User:Angie Y.

Translation of recent addition

I translated part of the Shockwave page that gives new information on the third and fourth seasons. I'll put up more as I get to it. Some of it might seem strangely worded. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

That was foreseeable, and one had to expect this advertisement made for Mipcom at the end of October 2005 front the professionels of audio-visual of the whole world, and relayed at once on October 18 by the American site C21 Media.net then taken again a few days later on this site.

Season 2 of Code Lyoko, which made fury since nearly two months in France (launched on August 31) and a month in the United States (since September 19) was going to see itself associating with a succession of 45 new episodes, bringing the total number of episodes to 97.

In parallel, no French-speaking site mentioned the news of it, and the Moonscoop producer did not publish any official press release, leading some to wonder about the veracity of this rumor launched on the other side of the Atlantic. Moreover, the attentive reading of the article of C21 could reveal certain troubling details; one made the state of production of the 45 new episodes directly by Cartoon Network, which at the same time seemed to exclude the assumption from a Franco-French coproduction to the two preceding seasons image. Thus, this new series would have been decided following a direct agreement between the producer and the American chain, without inevitably of agreement on the side of the French diffusers France 3 and Channel J, which, however, remains to be proven. Some lines further, and the article specified, that the series of origin had been firstly co-produced with France 3 and Channel J, implying that this would no longer be the case. Lastly, the author concluded by evoking "the last agreement with Cartoon Network which gives the series a total of 97 episodes."

Although these assumptions are difficult to prove, continued inaccuracies of the anglophone site, that showed that the American diffusers would be closely associated with the project in season 3, made some fear an "Americanization" of the series until they're "100% Frenchwoman" (which is not, with the passage, exact at 100%). Nevertheless, remember that the first season had been sold to America well after the end of its production (on March 9, 2004, 7 months after launching on France 3), and that it had been announced that the anticipated acquisition of season 2 by Cartoon Network was in the neighbourhood of December 2004 - January 2005, i.e. in the beautiful medium of the phase of pre-production and writing of the story. It remains to be seen what consequences this will have on the final result. Let us hope that there will not be too much sight between French and American.

Lastly, the article announced the arrival of this new batch of episodes in September 2006, a date which is surprising for several reasons. First of all, remember that season 2 will have waited for 13 months (between the advertisement and the arrival on screens) and it is necessary to add 2 more or 3 months to finish all the episodes of the season (between September of December 2005). Thus, whereas all the episodes were not finished yet at the time of the advertisement, it was learned that a much more significant number of episodes which would be produced over a much short period! As if that weren't incredible enough, no less than six other series are currently in production at Moonscoop, and it is hard to imagine putting such a long series in this planning already charged... moreover, it would be rather hazardous, even suicidal of bâcler [can't translate this] a series of this importance for the simple reason of fill the grid for impatient American diffusers (in passing, one can also specify that if the season 2 itself finishes on February 8 in France, it'll be diffused in a few weeks on Cartoon Network USA, due to the fact that they play one episode per day, sometimes more). In any event, at the American rate/rhythm of diffusion, these 45 episodes would not remain well a long time with the antenna, and drank it producers is also to create a durable "Code Lyoko phenomenon"!

What does this mean? I don't get it, Someguy. KFan II 23:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I second KFanII's question. This is confusing.--Jeremie@theLab 21:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

It's what the article says. It's up to you to understand it. Basically, it's their opinion on the production schedule of the third season. Plus, I haven't finished it yet. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs)

Why do you have to be such a rude person constantly, Someguy? You could explain to us, you being "extremely intelligent", as you have claimed on numerous osccasion. KFan II 18:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't meant to be rude. You only take it as such. I gave a basic rundown of that part of the article. It's their opinion on the production schedule of the third season, and various fears about different aspects of it. To get a good understanding of it, you'll have to figure it out on your own, because an explanation would be filled with the same jargen that translation uses. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

So, basically, this means Code Lyoko might be cancelled, or delayed? KFan II 18:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

That's what it looks like, at least in terms of a delay. Naturally, we as the fans should be cheesed off about this, but we have to ask ourselves this question: What do we prefer? A delayed series that is of genuine quality, completeness and has Code Lyoko caliber entertainment value, or an ontime series that is a mish-mash of technically choppy reels containing graphic bugs that detract from our enjoyment? Pick your poison. --Jeremie@theLab 00:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Which one kills you? <lol> Personally, I would prefer the wait if it means better quality. -- Aelita@Lyoko

I strongly agree. Although, I am getting a bit antsy concerning the delay. I know it will pay off, but seeing Lyoko every Saturday at 11:30 AM is hardly cutting it for me. Maybe if MoonScoop just dropped their other projects they could get a move on Season 3. CL seems to be their most lucrative venture anyway. Although, codelyoko.fr. has a few screenshots concerning Season 3, and Matt Géczy (voice of Odd) tells us on lyokofreak.net that a few episodes have been voiced. No details though! Just a bit longer and we'll be basking in the conspiracy theory set at the end of Season 2 and seeing XANA attack the world (please blow up the Eiffel Tower...that would be awesome). --Jeremie@theLab 06:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I wonder how XANA would pull that one off... -- User:Aelita Fan 20:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

If XANA can possess everything from the mechanical to the biological, reverse the Earth's gravity and weaken the planet's crust, he could easily raze a landmark. He could probably possess a jet armed with missiles and have it fire on the tower, or he could repossess the U4-66 Satellite and use the laser to obliterate it. I don't care how he does it, just as long as XANA stops attacking the school or individuals. That's getting a bit repetative. --Jeremie@theLab 06:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

You said it! I've only actually seen like ten episodes and in pretty much all of them XANA's attacking the gang and their school! Now that he's released, he should be too powerful to even care that they're still trying to beat him! -- User:Aelita@Lyoko 20 August 2006

There's power in numbers, right? To be sure, you have a point, but the plot would be ruined if Xana was so powerful that he would consider Team Lyoko as a group of pesky little fruit flies. No, I believe that Xana will develop a weak point, if he has none now. On that note, I'm just tired of waiting for Season 3. --Gravity Control

I think we all are. I did find 500 screecaps on CodeLyoko.fr. though, describing the next episode. Lots of new material! Check them out if you're cravings (that too strong a word for this situation?) get too strong. ;) Jeremie@theLab

Lol...that's not too strong a word. Yes, I found screenshots like those at CodeLyoko.net. "Droit au Coeur." I'm no translator, but I think that means "Right to the Heart." Thanks for the screenshots, Jeremie! --Gravity Control

Ideas for a New Section

I've recently been brainstorming on ways to improve the Code Lyoko articles on Wikipedia. Then it hit me. We need a section devoted to video clips, such as the season two end credits and various fan videos. Through use of external links we can form a comprehensive index of CL video clips and guide visitors to the videos' websites of origin that the aforementioned visitors may not otherwise have located. How does this idea sound to everyone?--Jeremie@theLab 18:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, pointless. Wikipedia's purpose isn't to compile a listing of every fan's rehashed clips accompanying copyrighted music, which are largely poorly done in the first place. No offense to those who may make them, but rehashing clips with Windows Media Maker isn't a sterling accomplishment that needs to be praised. On top of that, Wikipedia is no a web directory (see WP:NOT), so leading people all over the internet to find these videos is not something that is going to be done here. Also, clips in general are largely pointless, unless they help with the commentary, such as the clip of the third season. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. That makes sense. You know Someguy, you must be tired of Wikipedians who keep forgetting or ignoring all the policies. I think I'll put Wikipedia's policy articles on my Internet Favorites column to remind me what to do and what not to do so I won't waste your time and talk page space anymore. Thanks!--Jeremie@theLab 00:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't expect people to know every policy. I jyst referenced it so you'd become familiar with it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 00:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, Got it. --Jeremie@theLab 13:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Someguy, you are obsessed with making sure every single policy is followed on Wikipedia. No offense whatsoever, but it is getting annoying. You could have said "Jeremie@theLab, that is a good idea, but I don't think the admins would like it." All Code Lyoko pages are practically dictated by you, and you don't give people the right to experiment. I mean, Wikipedia isn't perfect, and one can always delete crap people put on. KFan II 19:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Complaining about my bluntness doesn't matter, and I honestly don't care about your opinions of my motivations. I'm only making sure that people don't add nonsense or pointless material to an encyclopedia, which is what this website is in case you've forgotten. Policy exists for a reason: to be followed. Jeremie@thelab has the right idea about asking about such an addition. My answer may have been blunt, but it's how this website operates. Better he ask and be told that it wouldn't work than do it and be warned later for adding original research, among other things. You have your own wiki, so go edit that if you want to add such things. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, look who's Mr. Omnipotent Know-it-All. You know, Someguy, it's not your job to correct every mistake that WIkipedians make. When anyone consults you, you must always say something "smart" or the like. Nobody cares for your rudeness; you should be more polite, and I think you know this, and if you don't, you must have a quite small consiance. You, know, you are talking to real people, not servers or molesters. KFan II 19:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Kindly don't speak for everyone. The only person being rude here is you. Someguy is an excellent editor; I've been watching this page for a while, and have no problems with him at all. If you insist on complaining about Someguy, kindly give examples of his rudeness, or stop complaining. Spottedowl 20:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll add a simple addendum. As a Wikipedian, it is yours, mine, and by extention everyone else's job to correct mistakes. I should be (and am) doing it, Spottedowl is doing it, and you should be too. You seem to be under the impression that people should be allowed to write whatever they want, no matter how inappropriate it may be. This particular suggestion, while not inappropriate, is still original research and non-notable, but I digress. Wikipedia has guidelines and rules. So long as they exist, I intend to follow them. The alternative options, such as your overvandalized wiki, are surely undesirable. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

My wiki is overvandalized, but there is nothing wrong with that. You and your cronies can criticize it all you want, but it has an excellent staff that usually reverts the edits within a day. Actually, one of the main vandalizers recently joined our wiki to try and stop vandalizing. I think you should actually do research before making such assumptions. In any case, my wiki is just as good as Wikipedia's articles about Code Lyoko. KFan II 19:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I did my research. There's about a page of it a few sections up. Last I checked, you've hardly dealt with any of it. You just make attack pages about people and websites you hate. It's a really poor attempt at making me look incompetent, I must say. The funny thing about that page is that Jeremie@theLab doesn't seem to even like your website, nor does he share the opinion you seem to think he does. Maybe if you stopped complaining about others and dealt with the problems on your own wiki, you'd have a more effective argument. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I made that page because you do not support Code: WIKI. You are an enemy of the state. It is my website, I can rule it as I wish. All wikis must not be just like Wikipedia. KFan II 08:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record, I've never said that I didn't like Code: WIKI. I just can't bring myself to join it because of some of the overzealous rules and attack articles on it, and that fact that if I join I could never create another wiki or edit Wikipedia. I'm basically trying to keep my options open. Besides, I get the distinct impression that if I tried to edit the articles on that site, my edits would be reverted by the "editors" there and I would be charged with trying to "Wikipedianize" Code: WIKI. If that is the case, it would be a counterproductive waste of my time and a road I'm not interested in traveling down. --Jeremie@theLab 14:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Also (this is a follow up), I don't recall ever having said that Someguy is "snottish" KFan. If anything, I try understand why he rejects my ideas, and I always rebound with a smile and use his rebukes as a way to make myself a better Wikipedian. It is true, the first couple of times (i.e. the "idle chatter" incident) kind of hurt, but that was because I was a noobie here and I didn't understand all the policies. Since that time I've gained a better understanding of what to do and what not to do here. Since I'm not a part of Code: WIKI, I have no right to tell you to change your assumption about me. It's your wiki, so write what you want. I won't stop you. I just want to clear this case of mistaken intention up to other users. --Jeremie@theLab 16:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Good thing that personal attacks aren't allowed here. Pacific Coast Highway ^{(blah • not even doom music)} 19:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree with you on that one, Pacific Coast Highway. Besides, this was simply a conversation directed at making a new section. That suggestion was shot down, end of story. This dialogue should have closed after Someguy's rejection and not have degenerated into a mud-slinging fest. I'm sick and tired of having these arguments happen all the time on the talk pages. We're here to improve the Code Lyoko pages, not throat-grapple. This conversation has gotten hopelessly off the topic and it's not getting back. I am closing this dialogue NOW. --Jeremie@theLab 20:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Nice work on the episode articles, by the way. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. I tried to put in as much detail as I could remember. I can improve them when I see the episodes again. --Jeremie@theLab 13:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I can help out - for the episodes I've seen, at any rate. -- Aelita@Lyoko 21:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

By all means go ahead. Good work so far! Jeremie@theLab

Deceptive, yes?

Isn't the 97 episode count a little decpetive? I know it's the total of something, but does that represent the current total aired, or the whole series total? Pacific Coast Highway ^{(blah • lol, internet)} 00:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Total. It's supported by the episode listings. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Total of what? Pacific Coast Highway ^{(blah • lol, internet)} 01:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

First two seasons are 52 plus 45 in production, thus a grand total of 97. However, I can see how it would confuse, so I switched it to 52. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I knew someting was up. Pacific Coast Highway ^{(blah • lol, internet)} 02:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

That Pesky Logo

Remeber that "Raven's Wings" Great Seal that seems to be associated with the military in CL? (Seen in "Satellite" and in the Season 2 end credits). Does anyone know if that is a real military seal in France??? I need it for the Episode articles Trivia sections. I'm trying to search for it online but I keep hitting dead-ends, so I thought I'd ask for some help. If anyone knows if that is a real logo or just an invention of the creators, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. --Jeremie@theLab 03:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

That's a good question. If it is an actual symbol, I can't seem to find it. Might be for a specific branch. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I know what you're saying. I tried everything from the French military to the French Intelligence Services but I can't seem to raise it. When I looked for the official French military logo I got this elaborate coat of arms that was nowhere near what that CL emblem looked like. Maybe the creators just copied the USA Great Seal or something. I don't know. I'm going to do another search and ask for military branches. --Jeremie@theLab 04:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, Season 3 is supposed to go into the creation of Lyoko, Project Carthage and all that. Because of the end credits, I'll bet the Department (or Directoire, to use the French term), that owns that Raven logo will be explored a bit, or at least mentioned. --Jeremie@theLab 04:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully. In all likelihood, it was just made up for the show. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

What's the "Raven's Wings" logo? -- User:Aelita Fan 20:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Watch the credits for the second seaon. It's on the folder. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, now I really wish I had cable: I can't watch the credits! -- User:Aelita Fan 21:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry! You can actually watch them from your computer. Go here. On the lefthand column there will be a tab labeled "Videos and Music" click on that and in the video box (second from the top) look for "End Credits from Saison 2." There are two versions, the American and the French. I recommend watching the French version, as the resolution is better. At the end of the video when the unseen character closes the folder, look at the cover. The "Raven's Wings" should stick out clearly. --Jeremie@theLab 05:49, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

<sigh> I suppose this means that I'll have to wait for Season 2 to come out on DVD or something. Or maybe I can dream that Mom will turn off parental controls next summer. -- User:Aelita@Lyoko 20 August 2006

New Link Posted

My watchlist showed that another user, Oscarcwk posted an external link to LyokoDreamers on the main article page that links us to the French and English versions of the theme song. Is this necessary? I really do appreciate his efforts and thank him for helping. However, don't we already have a link to the MoonScoop jukebox? --Jeremie@theLab 11:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a copyright violation and has been cut. In genereal, you should cut any added site unless it's: a) an official one [which we already have], or b) provides some sort of helpful information beyond what this article does. There are other more complicated situations of course, but these work most of the time. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 18:58, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

All right, I'll keep that in mind and be on the lookout. Thanks Someguy. --Jeremie@theLab 19:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

There's a website called LyokoDreamers? Oh, now I really wish my Mom would turn off her parental controls! What's it like, Jeremie@theLab? -- Aelita@Lyoko

Um...I really don't know. I just checked the link to see where it led. It appears to be another fansite much like LyokoFreak. I didn't really check it out (although I did see a pretty good graphic of the gang at the top of the screen). I'll try to get a link for you. --Jeremie@theLab 06:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

http://www.jdhosts.net/lyokodreamers/cl_music.php – That's it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 06:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Well...um, it's in French. Get your French-English dictionaries everyone! And thanks for that link Someguy. --Jeremie@theLab 07:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

<LOL> I think I'll take a French course for a few years before checking out that site! -- User:Aelita@Lyoko 20:44, 19 August 2006

We know about Season 3?!

Who added the basic summary for Season 3? There aren't any episodes out yet - are there? How do we know any of this? -- Aelita@Lyoko 03:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Season 3 is out in France. It premiered September 9 (2006, of course). --Gravity Control

Oh, I see...whoever added that is a French linguist and has seen the first episode! This means that the English version will be out soon, followed by recaps! -- Aelita@Lyoko 03:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Precisely. And...I must say, it seems everyone is very excited about Season 3 around here! --Gravity Control

You don't need to be a linguist to add the information. A babelfish translator works just fine. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Or any cheap translator. By the way, I don't mean to go off-topic, but why are you and KFanII constantly bickering, Someguy? Code: Wiki in particular seems to be quite an issue between you two. --Gravity Control

That ended a while ago. It's because it's because his link wasn't included. He just decided to make it a point to pick a fight. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, is that all? You two really seemed to hate each other. Oh, and Someguy? When I added a list of quotes to the end of Temptation there was a line of Odd's that I wasn't sure about. Jeremie@theLab thought it was pretty accurate but it still doesn't look right to me. Since you have every episode archived and can review them at will, could you doublecheck? -- Aelita@Lyoko 20:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Episode articles

I've just noticed that we have articles for each episode. However, they're a bit rubbish and clearly written by people who are more fans than editors. Personally I like the idea of individual articles for episodes, with trivia and things, and wouldn't mind rewriting bits of those articles more professionally. I don't want to do it if it's not necessary, though. What do people think? Spottedowl 20:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with you there. I hadn't really been watching them that intently, but what you say is true. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Half of me thinks that what you said makes sense, Spottedowl, but the other half doesn't see the difference between fans and editors. The spelling and grammar in some of the articles have been driving me crazy, though. I don't see why you shouldn't rewrite the articles more professionally, especially if you've seen the episodes and know just what you're writing. -- Aelita@Lyoko 21:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Fans write things from their point of view. Editors write things from a neutral point of view. There is an important distinction between the two. Professional writing is important, even in episode articles. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Gah! Was my writing too fanon? I tried to write everything NPOV...I thought it was NPOV. Well, I'll just have to get better at that, and I have two more Seasons to improve. Go ahead everyone, let loose on those articles and make them proffessional-grade. Btw Aelita, are there really that many typos? Jeremie@theLab

Not in the Season 2 recaps. But in the beginning of the End of Take recap somebody used the word "equivocates". I looked it up in the dictionary and the meaning of the word didn't make any sense alongside the rest of the paragraph. Is that the right word? -- Aelita@Lyoko 23:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

My comment was more directed at the trivia parts, to be honest; I felt they were a bit US-centric and could do with a bit of polishing. I like trivia. ;) Spottedowl 11:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

So do I, really. You can learn some funny stuff on that. -- Aelita@Lyoko

I like trivia too. I had no idea CL had so much product placement in it. Mercedes-Benz, St.-Etienne, some others. About the US-centric, well, I checked the episode scripts on codelyoko.net (in French) and believe it or not, they actually use the names of American actors/actresses instead of French ones and reference Hollywood movies. Now, that Lincoln Junior High thing in Zero Gravity Zone was an obvious dub, since the French title for the school was Chez Diderot, and the city's hospital is named after former French president Paul Doumer. There's probably other stuff I missed. So, what kind of polishing are we thinking of here? Jeremie@theLab

Miguzi Season 3

Announced just now on Cartoon Network new episodes to start airing next Monday on Miguzi at 4:30 pm Eastern.

http://www.codelyoko.net/ENG/

"It appears that Code Lyoko Season 3 will begin on Cartoon Network using the 4:30 pm timeslot on October 4th."

List of episode suspected airing dates and titles http://www.codelyoko.net/ENG/News.htm

71.71.79.235 19:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Jeremie@theLab

How can there be new uniforms for the gang in Season 3 if there's no Lyoko? DID I MISS SOMETHING? -- K-9 LVR 22:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

In season 4. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Even so, how can they have new outfits if there's no Lyoko?Williamsnotcute 03:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)