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Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2016

Cockroach as food

Although considered disgusting in Western culture, cockroaches are eaten in many places around the world.[1][2] Household pest cockroaches may carry bacteria and viruses. But cockroaches bred under laboratory conditions can be used to prepare nutritious and tasty food.[3] Common household cockroaches, if intended to be eaten, must be isolated and fed on a diet of apple and lettuce to remove contamination.[4]

Eating raw cockroaches is generally not recommended. It's best to remove their heads and legs, and then boil, saute, grill them, and then dry or dice them, as is done in Mexico and Thailand.[5]

In China, cockroaches have become popular as medicine and cockroach farming is rising. The cockroaches are fried twice in a wok of hot oil, which makes them crispy with a soft innards that are like cottage cheese.[6][7] Fried cockroaches are ground and sold as pills for stomach, heart and liver diseases.[8]

Thai cuisine has a hot curry made with cockroach and cricket abdomens.[9] A cockroach recipe from Formosa (Taiwan) is as follows - remove head and entrails from the cockroach, put salt, and fry it.[10]

In 1905, Henri Coupin wrote a book French book Les bizarreries des races humaines which mentions a cockroach paste recipe used by the English and the Irish people - simmer cockroaches in vinegar, dry them in sun, remove heads and intestines, boil them with butter, salt & pepper, make a paste and spread it on bread. But there is no other evidence of this recipe. The only confirmed edible use of cockroaches by the British is use of Periplaneta americana feces in homeopathic medicine.[11]

According to International Union of Crystallography journal, cockroach milk is one of the most nutritious food on planet earth.[12] 70.53.96.101 (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

References

References

  1. ^ Marion Copeland [2004]. Cockroach (Pages 86 to 88). Published by Reaktion Books
  2. ^ Ronald L. Taylor, Barbara J. Carter [1976]. Entertaining with Insects: Or, The Original Guide to Insect Cookery. Published by Woodbridge Press Publishing Company.
  3. ^ David George Gordon [1998]. The Eat-a-bug Cookbook (Page 78). Published by Ten Speed Press.
  4. ^ Marion Copeland [2004]. Cockroach (Pages 86 to 88). Published by Reaktion Books
  5. ^ Marion Copeland [2004]. Cockroach (Pages 86 to 88). Published by Reaktion Books
  6. ^ Malcolm Moore [2013]. How to eat a cockroach: a Telegraph guide. Published by Washington Post.
  7. ^ [2015]. How cockroaches could save lives. Published by BBC News.
  8. ^ David McKenzie [2014]. Eating cockroaches in China: Healing and delicious?. Published by CNN.
  9. ^ [2015]. Hot Cockroach and Cricket Thai Curry. Published by Fox 4 Newsroom.
  10. ^ Richard Schweid [2015]. The Cockroach Papers: A Compendium of History and Lore (Page 69). Published by University of Chicago Press.
  11. ^ Richard Schweid [2015]. The Cockroach Papers: A Compendium of History and Lore (Page 69). Published by University of Chicago Press.
  12. ^ Ben Guarino [2016]. The case for cockroach milk: The next superfood?
Done, with some tweaks for style etc. Thank you for the excellent addition! Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 02:03, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2017

In relationship with humans, under research section, add "Research conducted in 2014 suggests that humans fear cockroaches the most, even more than mosquitoes, due to an evolutionary aversion.[1] 86.97.131.126 (talk) 08:20, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Cockroaches: The insect we are programmed to fear". BBC. 18 September 2014.
Done SparklingPessimist Scream at me! 18:44, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2018

2601:600:9980:14F2:B92F:9216:FFF:9E36 (talk) 03:58, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — IVORK Discuss 04:19, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Vagueness on pest species and species associated with humans

In several different places, the article refers to a subset of cockroach species that are either viewed as pests or relevant to humans, however nowhere is this subset characterized, much less enumerated. Specifically, I'm referring to statements like this:

In the lede: "About 30 cockroach species out of 4,600 are associated with human habitats. About four species are well known as pests."
In "Distribution and Habitat": "Only about four widespread species are commonly regarded as pests."
In the subsection "As pests", under "Relationship with Humans": "The Blattodea include some thirty species of cockroaches associated with humans; these species are atypical of the thousands of species in the order."
In "Conservation": "While a small minority of cockroaches are associated with human habitats and viewed as repugnant by many people"

While all these claims are sourced, the information is a bit tangential to the sources themselves; currently the two sources for the claim of "about four" species being pests, for example, are scholarly papers on the efficacy of particular pesticides, not a survey of roach species. Since I'm not familiar enough with the subject to chase this down, I have to suggest: we should name the "about four" pest species specifically, and somehow collectively characterize the other 30 that are associated with humans. That is, are they all from a common taxon, share a geographical origin, have some set of common characteristics? Or, more generally, answer the question of why this subset of species associated with humans, and what this subset is. As it stands, I think it leaves open a frustrating question and is too vague and even weasely. siafu (talk) 02:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2018

Please undo the latest edit by Bubblesorg, which is both misspelled and wrong. Following Taxonomy and evolution, Carboniferous "cockroaches" are not actually cockroaches, and are just stem-cockroaches. If need be, the lede could also be clarified to reflect this. 2001:569:782B:7A00:91FF:58D7:E53:BD14 (talk) 02:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

 Partly done: The edit's been undone by Cwmhiraeth, but the lede could still use clarification. Thanks Anon. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 07:37, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2019

IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF THE ARTICLE COCKROACH:

Cockroach Temporal range: 145–0 Ma PreЄ Є O S D C P T J K Pg N Cretaceous–recent

THE WORD 'CRETACEOUS' SHOULD BE CHANGED TO 'CARBONIFEROUS'. THE DATE '145' SHOULD BE ALSO CHANGED ACCORDINGLY. 31.59.14.250 (talk) 21:02, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Willbb234 (talk) 10:30, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Revision deleted?

I am wondering when and why was a revision made on 02:50, 1 May 2017, was completed hidden from the log? Can anyone explain who hided it?--▸ ‎épine talk♬ 19:06, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Based on comments made on your talk page when you did this, it was extremely offensive vandalism that merited permanent deletion. Dyanega (talk) 20:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
@Dyanega:, not really. I've seen worse comparisons being made and they still stay in the logs, but it is so wrong to call Erdogan a roach for abusing the Turkish wikipedia and censoring hundreds of thousands of people from accessing free information and education? I know talk pages are not for expressing personal opinions and stuff, but come on. I really want to get the input from the person who deleted the log though, because I know that you should only do this in cases of "gross offenses" according to the usage policy--how does a normal vandalism fit this criteria?--▸ ‎épine talk♬ 21:36, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Wrong or right, Wikipedia is not the place to call people names (no matter how richly the names may be deserved). 2601:200:C000:1A0:D038:88EA:8F27:9A72 (talk) 19:34, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Substrate?

The article contains two mentions of the word "substrate". For instance:

"Furthermore, in the presence of a potential mate, some cockroaches tap the substrate in a rhythmic, repetitive manner."

But what is this "substrate" ???

I hope someone can write these sentences more clearly so that readers will understand what this means. 2601:200:C000:1A0:D038:88EA:8F27:9A72 (talk) 19:33, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

The term is shorthand and perfectly acceptable, meaning "whatever surface the roach happens to be sitting on at the time". If the roach is sitting on a log, then the substrate is a log; if it is sitting on a coffee can, then the substrate is a coffee can; it if is sitting on a linoleum floor, then the substrate is a linoleum floor, etc. There is no simpler way to express this than "the substrate". Dyanega (talk) 20:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Lasers

At the end of the section "Control," there's a sentence about using lasers, and how lasers can be used "with high effectivity neutralise cockroach in home." However, their provided reference [96], at tandfonline.com, specifically says, "Therefore, this technology should not be used at home (for a review of eye safety of laser see Sliney 2009)." The contributor contributed a sentence in the Wikipedia article that exactly contradicts their own cited source.Nei1 (talk) 13:45, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Singapore discovered a new cockroach species and given a Pokemon character’s name

At a Singaporean nature reserve with forests, a new species of cockroach has been discovered. The species, which bears the name Pheromosa after a Pokemon that resembles a cockroach and appears in the seventh generation of the video game series, was discovered by comparing variations in the male genitalia of samples with those of its nearest relative from Borneo, among other checks. “There are certain parallels between Pheromosa and the delicate cockroach that we observed, such as having a long antenna, wings that simulate a hood, and long slender legs,” said entomologist Foo Maosheng, who co-authored the study........

https://ipmcare.com/2023/03/10/singapore-discovered-a-new-cockroach-species-and-given-a-pokemon-characters-name/ Ipmcare (talk) 19:17, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi. This is already in Wikipedia. See Nocticola pheromosa. Dyanega (talk) 22:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
This article has been revised to reflect recent events. Thank you for taking the time to read the entire article. Ipmcare (talk) 04:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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