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Conflicting accounts[edit]

The www.scrum.com reference says that Wallach was killed on April 22, 1915 at Gallipoli. This is quite unlikely since i) hostilities did not begin at Gallipoli til April 25 and ii) the letter Wallach wrote to The Referee has been widely published and refers to Thompson & George's deaths in May 1915. So I think we are safe to ignore April 22, 1915-Sticks66 12:09, 9 March 2010 (UTC) The Zavos reference says that Clarrie Wallach won a MC and was killed at Gallipoli. While the Bray reference says that Clarrie Wallach won an MC and died in April 1918.[reply]

Wallach is not a particularly common Australian name and only four are listed for service on the AIF Project. Three are brothers from Sydney's Eastern Subs (where Clarrie played rugby). They are named as Neville, Arthur and Rupert. Only Neville is a winner of the Military Cross and he also died in 1918. How many Sydney Eastern Subs, Wallachs won a MC and died in action in 1918 ? It looks most likely that Neville is Clarrie. Any clarifying assistance appreciated -Sticks66 12:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It becomes clear[edit]

There were in fact six Wallach brothers who all saw action in WWI. Clarrie and Neville were both captains, both winners of the military cross and both rugby players, killed within a week of each other on the Western Front. So the books and www.scrum.com are all wrong in saying Clarrie was killed in Gallipoli and it was April 22, 1918. Clarrie (& two other brothers) don't seem to have AIF Project entries. But I've got enough to get on with & fix the article and will return...-Sticks66 21:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With regards to the move back to this page[edit]

Well, I feel I may have stepped on some toes... The move was made, before realizing that it had already pre-existed at this location. I think Clarrie deserves his own article, my rationale being: 1. He is arguably the only one of his family who was notable in two areas - his military service, and also for his international rugby career. Readers interested in the military service aspect of Clarrie are well served by having the full content at his main page. Those reading for rugby history, are likewise served by the rugby content. At the Wallach brothers article, the context is his broader family, which has the unintended consequence of diminishing his more prominent notability - particularly his rugby career is fully overshadowed. Further adding to the incongruency of the content (prior to the separation) is the use of the infobox for rugby. It is in glaring contrast to the sober military material.SauliH (talk) 06:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like the detail of the published refs (Bray and Carlyon) seem to have fallen off in this process. I'll find them and come back and re-insert -Sticks66 14:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]