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Tartan[edit]

The Sweeney tartan can be either the Sweeney tartan which originated in Scotland for the MacQueen /MacSween clan or the tartan from the region in which Sweeney was first found in Ireland, which is Donegal. It is the custom in Ireland to wear the tartan of your region (the original region in which your clan came from) and so a Sweeney in Ireland would wear a Donegal tartan. This information was provided to me from the Scottish and Irish store http://www.scottishandirishstore.com/index.htm and I have verified at several other sources. In the end, it’s a matter of choice as a Sweeney, whether you want to wear the Scottish or Irish tartan, either is correct.--198.103.53.5 16:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

King of Ulster[edit]

The third part of Séamus Heaney's Station Island (Faber and Faber, 1984) is entitled "Sweeney Redivivus" in which the poet's voice is at one with the voice of the legendary Sweeney, A King of Ulster whose story Mr Heaney has translated from the Irish. Millbanks (talk) 09:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copied from Sweeney (name)[edit]

The following was recently added to Sweeney (name). Some of it could likely be incorporated into this article.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 02:56, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sweeney (also MacSweeney) is one of the sixty most common surnames in Ireland, and is fairly equally distributed between the four Irish provinces, although less common in Leinster than the others. The Gaelic version of the name is MacSuibhne and the family can be traced back to a Scottish chieftain called Suibhne who lived in Argyll in the 12th century. Suibhne's two sons, Dougal and Maolmhuire, are recorded as residing at Skipness Castle and Sween Castle respectively both in Kintyre, Western Scotland. An elaborate genealogy written many centuries later proposes that this 12th century ancestor descended from the royal Irish family of O'Neill but this interpretation is no longer accepted. What is however clear is that the Scottish MacSweeneys descended from a mixture of Irish Dalriadic Gaels and Norsemen, and were referred to in the Irish annals as 'Gall Gaedhil' (literally 'foreign Irish') when they first appeared in Ireland. Most Irish genealogists conclude that the name Suibhne derives from the Irish word for 'pleasant' while a number of Scottish historians, most notably, A.A.M. Duncan (The Edinburgh History of Scotland: Scotland, the Making of the Kingdom v. 1) states that the Gaelic name derives from Norse 'Svein' and has an authentic genealogy dating back to circa 1000 AD. During this period, Hebridean lords adopted weapons, maritime technology and names from the Norse Vikings who settled in Western Scotland.

The first Sweeney to appear in Ireland according to the Irish annals was Murchadh Mear, son of Maolmhuire, and Murchadh's nephew Eoin was the first family member to settle in Fanad, County Donegal. In Ireland the MacSweeneys are known as the most prominent Scottish gallowglass families, and they retained a distinct social organisation until the English conquests of the mid-17th century. Different branches of the family settled in Connacht and Munster as well as Ulster; however, the most prominent families remained in Donegal where they were divided into three separate septs: Sweeney Fanad (MacSuibhne Fanad), Sweeney Doe (MacSuibhne na dTuath) and Sweeney Banagh (MacSuibhne Boghaineach).

These three branches commanded the forces, many of whom were also from gallowglass families, that formed the backbone of the armies of O'Donnell, the ruling family of Tir Connaill (Donegal). In battle the gallowglasses used battleaxes and darts in the manner of the Vikings. According to the English officer, Sir Anthony St Leger, who faced gallowglass warriors in the 16th century, they were formidable opponents, stating that "these sorte of men be those that doo not lightly abandon the fielde, but byde the brunt to the deathe".

Thanks in large part to their military prowess, neither the Normans or later the English were able to extend their power to the North West of Ireland until well into 17th century. However, along with the native Irish, the Sweeneys suffered considerably after the Cromwellian conquests and subsequently many fled to the Continent where they fought and distinguished themselves in the Irish brigades of European armies.

Variations of the name include MacSwiney and MacSwine, and the Irish form of the name is identical to that of the MacQueens, a clan to which the Sweeneys are related.

Copyvio?[edit]

Some sections of text seem to have been lifted from here. Unless there are prompt responses this material will need to be removed. Ben Mac Dui 10:09, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not as bad as I feared and the worst excesses have been fixed. Ben Mac Dui 19:08, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Heraldry[edit]

I've removed File:Sweeney.png from the infobox. I'm not certain that there are historical arms that represent the whole clan. I've read that the medieval Scottish family didn't leave any discernible heraldry. The following link isn't to an unbiased website, but it's worth looking at [1].--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:49, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

15 May 1271 charter sign in Dumbarton: "Walter Stewart, earl of Menteith, notes that he has received the mandate of his lord Alexander (III), king of Scots, regarding whether Mary spouse of John of Wardrobe and Helen spouse of Bernard of Airth and Fobflaith spouse of Norin of Monorgan, daughters of the late Finlay of Campsie, are true and legitimate heirs of Dubgall brother of Maeldomnaich earl of Lennox, which is cited in full herein. Therefore with the authority of mandate, by the oaths of Sir Hugh Fleming, Sir Alexander of Dunoon, Sir Robert of Colquhoun, knights, Gilbert (or Gillebrigte) son of Absalon, Donnchad son of Amlaib, Mael Coluim of Drummond, Maelmuire called ‘the young’; Gillemichael MacEdolf, Adam (or Aed?) called ‘the young’, Donnchad son of Gillecrist, Thomas son of Somerled, Nevin Mac Kessan, Maeldomnaich mac Dawy, Hector MacSween, Eugene (or Ewen?) the goldsmith, over the things mentioned before, he diligently made an inquest, whereby he learned and became aware that the aforesaid women were truly and lawfully the heirs of the aforesaid Dubgall, by the line of consanguinity descending from the part of Mael Coluim brother of the aforesaid Dubgall and grandfather of the aforesaid women, and Dubgall to have espoused his wife very little. Earl Walter, Donnchad son of Amlaib and Mael Coluim of Drummond have appended their seals."

U1265.2 Murchadh Mac Suibhne was taken prisoner by Domnall Mac Maghnusa and he was handed into the custody of the Earl de Burgh and he died in the prison

Wednesday 23 October 1269 charter signed at Ayr: "Laurence, bishop of Argyll, inspects charters of Sir Angus, son of Donald, and Dubgall, son of Suibne, and also Duncan, son of Fearchar, and Lagmann, son of Malcolm, nepos of Duncan, over collation of right of patronage of churches of St Queran in Kintyre which is called Kilkerran (ARG), St Colmanel in Kintyre (Kilcalmonell, ARG) and St Finan in 'Kethromecongal' (Kilfinan, ARG), made to Paisley Abbey and confirmations of late Sir Alan, bishop of Argyll, granted and given to Paisley Abbey. The bishop grants, gives and by present script establishes these three mother churches with their chapels for their own uses, saving fourth of churches belonging to episcopal manse and vicars, and saving episcopal dues."

18 January 1263 Charter signed at Erskine: "Walter Stewart, earl of Menteith, for the welfare of the souls of his ancestors buried in the monastery of Paisley, has granted, and established by his present charter, to Paisley Abbey the donation which Dubgall son of Suibne made to the monks, and by his charter established, of his land of Skipness (ARG), first conferred on Walter, moreover the church of St Colman (Kilcalmonell, ARG) situated on that land, with one ‘nummata’ of land (pennyland) pertaining to the said church, with a chapel next to the castle of Skipness. He wills and grants that the said church is to be held with all its pertinents, liberties and easements, in free, pure and perpetual alms."

17 April 1261, Palm Sunday, charter signed at Paisley: "Dougall son of Sweeney, with the assent of John his heir, has given, granted, and by this his present charter established, for the welfare of his soul, and those of Juliana and Joanna his spouses, to Paisley Abbey, the right of patronage of the church of St Colmanel which is located in his land of Kintyre (Kilcalmonell, ARG), in free, pure and perpetual alms, with all pertinents, lands, liberties and easements, and with the chapel of St Columba that is located next to his castle of Skipness (ARG) after the death of Clement the rector of that church, holding without any secular burden. Moreover, he has given and bequeathed his body for burial in the monastery of Paisley."

1355 RETOUR OF INQUEST relating to gift by John of Glassre of one third of Glassre, August 25, 1355. "Memorandum est quod talis inquisitio facta est per quos dam baronenes Ergadiæ coram Alexandro vicecomite Ergadiensi in crastino beati Bartholemei apostoli apud Inverlecan anno domini M.CCC.L. quinto circa dona cionem per Johanem dominum de Glassre Duvgaldo Cambel et Margarete sorori dicti Johanis de tertia parte terre de Glassre factam . In primis dicti Baronesl videlicet dominus Arturus Cambel Lochlanus Juvenis Doncanus M'Thamais Johanes M'Eogan Alexander M‘Sommarrli, Donaldus MʻInpersuyn Christinus Huasuibne et multi alii fidedigni per prefatum Alexandrum vicecomitem quod melius de dicta inquisitione sciverunt ad supra dictam diem et locum sunt citati quibus coram prefato vicecomite comparentibus requisitis multipliciter juratis et diligenter examinatis prout melius sciverunt et recolue runt, consona voce dixerunt ? quod dictus dominus Johanes de Glassre terciam partem terre sue de Glassre Domino Duvalgdo Cambel quondam militi et Margarete Cambel 1 sorori dicti Johanis postquam factus est insane mentis non ad tempus sed ad hereditatem concessit :

CHARTER BY JOHN CAMBEL, LORD OF ARDSCEO DANICH , TO GILBERT, LORD OF GLASSR , for his life of the lands of Cross Gillesbuig and others, not dated. "Omnibus has literas visuris vel audituris Johes CambelDnus de Ardsceodanich 1 salutem in Dno sempiternam . Noverit universitas vestra me dedisse concessisse et hac presenti carta mea confirmasse de me et heredibus meis dilecto consanguineo meo Gilleberto Dno de Glassr in vita sua duas denariatas cum obulata de terra mea de Glassr viz. denariatam de Cross Gillesbuig et denariatam de Derg belach et obulatam de Kyllmicill videlicet obulatam prope CrossGillesbuig situatam in longitudine et aliam denariatam quæ vocatur Glacnagobal libere quiete plenarie et honori fice in pratis in pascuis, in silvis in venationibus in aquis in piscibus in piscariis cum aliis libertatibus commoditati bus omnibus et asyamentis tam nominatis quam non nominatis ad dictam terram spectantibus vel in futurum spectare valentibus quoquo modo. Ego vero dictus Johes Cambel et heredes mei dictam terram eidem Gilberto in cum omnibus libertatibus et commoditatibus dictam terram tangentibus contra quoscunque viros et feminas acquietabimus warentizabimus et defendemus. In cujus rei testimonium sigillum meum presentibus est appensum . Hiis testibus presentibus Dnis Adam et Laurencio Vicariis de Glassr et de Ardscedanic Donaldo McMcpersun Duncano filio Gillesbuig Cambel. Cristino Huasmabene Roderico et Yuaro filiis M'Gillecoan et multis aliis . 2605:A601:A715:9A00:8830:2D09:91B7:DAD3 (talk) 04:48, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]