Talk:Clan MacLeod of Lewis

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Rename article to Clan Macleod of The Lewes[edit]

I wonder if the article should be moved to Clan Macleod of The Lewes, because this is how the chief is styled.--Celtus (talk) 12:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The clan is named this way at the Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs website.--Celtus (talk) 13:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I keep seeing the false story that Olaf the Black, Norse King of Man is the ancestor the MacLeods. He simply was not. The three sons of Olaf, who are supposed to have been the progenitors of the MacLeods, the Gunns and the Rosses, never existed. This is a case of mistaken identity from the early 17th c. You can read about this mistake and how it came about in several places on the Internet. The Internet postings are scholarly works, with plenty of citations to back up the writers' opinions. When is this implausible story going to die?66.20.49.108 (talk) 20:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

October 2nd, 2013 Although I will not necessarily dispute this author's claim regarding my clan's origins, might I suggest the writer provide proof of his or her claim. We all know, I trust, simply stating we read something on the internet, and elsewhere, does not necessarily make it factual. Very often it is not. By the way our name was originally MhicLeoid, then Anglized to McLeod, and by some to MacLeod.... not Macleod - it is two words Mc or Mac and Leod - Son of Ugly (as in disposition). Respectfully, Donald R MacLeod, nova.don@ns.sympatico.ca — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.225.46 (talk) 12:42, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Standing Council of Scottish chiefs does indeed name the clan as "Macleod of the Lewes", I think that warrants the article to be moved/renamed, noting that it is not spelt with a capital "L" but a lower case "l".QuintusPetillius (talk) 18:54, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Donald, go to your clan's genealogy page and you'll have your proof. Look for articles by William Matheson and WDH Sellar. It should also be noted that most, if not all Macleods from Lewis, the main heartland of the Gaels, spell their name, just as Macleans do, with a small “l”. You should probably follow your own advice and not put so much stock in what you've read somewhere. The son of ugly stuff, like a lot of the accepted Macleod history and traditions, is just a theory that has been repeated over and over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GJMM78 (talk • contribs) 17:58, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone who might come across these comments in the future, it's probably worth pointing out that nowadays hardly any Lewis people use capital letters in their "Mac" surnames in English. It's one of the minor differences between Lewis folk and those from the other Gaelic-speaking islands. Macdonald is another example. People from Skye, Harris, etc. would use MacLeod, MacDonald, and so on. The capital letter is always used in Gaelic though, so technically it's more correct - and I write that as a Lewis Macleod (and native Gaelic-speaker). As is pointed out in other places in the article, "Mac" is the Gaelic for "son". The feminine form is "Nic", a variation of the word for daughter, and this is always used in Gaelic, e.g. NicLeòid. The form "MhicLeoid" (sic) referred to above is the genitive and means literally "of the son of Leod". (There might be some confusion because the clan's name in Gaelic is "Clann MhicLeòid", which means "(The) Children of the son of Leòd".) The correct ordinary nominative form in Gaelic is "MacLeòid", with the accent. Unlike in the Irish language, the space between the Mac and the Leòid seems to have become optional in Scottish Gaelic when it's used as a surname. Of course if you were translating "Leod's son" into Gaelic, you would say "Mac Leòid".Cailean99 (talk) 17:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above is not strictly true. I personally know of several families from Skye, all with different surnames, who don’t capitalise the first letter after “Mac”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.153.83 (talk) 13:38, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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As a relative of the MacLeod Family, I couldn't help but notice that you incorrectly listed MacLeod's Castle and Stornoway Castle as two seperate castles. They are actually one and the same. That is why the dates of destruction are the same. Both names are used in old documents, with Stornoway Castle being the most common name, as well as the one used today. After it's destruction in 1653, it's ruins remained until 1882, when they were torn down, and the castle's foundations were incorporated into a new pier wich still stands on the site today. It is the same pier at which the ferry arrives and departs. Let's Castle was actually built on the site of Seaforth Lodge, the resident of a local Lord that was used as a meeting place by the Jacobites. Anasaitis (talk) 23:08, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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As a relative of the MacLeod Family, I couldn't help but notice that you incorrectly listed MacLeod's Castle and Stornoway Castle as two seperate castles. They are actually one and the same. That is why the dates of destruction are the same. Both names are used in old documents, with Stornoway Castle being the most common name, as well as the one used today. After it's destruction in 1653, it's ruins remained until 1882, when they were torn down, and the castle's foundations were incorporated into a new pier wich still stands on the site today. It is the same pier at which the ferry arrives and departs. Let's Castle was actually built on the site of Seaforth Lodge, the resident of a local Lord that was used as a meeting place by the Jacobites. Anasaitis (talk) 23:08, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have altered the article accordingly to say that Stornoway Castle was also known as MacLeod's Castle. Thanks.QuintusPetillius (talk) 15:44, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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