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synaesthesia

Please would you add into the article that Charli has synaesthesia, which is a rather rare condition? Thanx here's the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-25330600 Veryscarymary (talk) 15:07, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

"Scottish-British"

This edit and others like it are inappropriate; under WP:OPENPARA, only Charli XCX's nationality (British) should be in the lead sentence, not her ethnicity, as her ethnicity is not relevant to her notability. Also, it's inappropriate/offensive to only note one part of her ethnicity (her Scottish background, but not giving any mention to her Indian/Ugandan heritage) while ignoring the rest. Acalamari 11:59, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

As it's just be re-added without any explanation or acknowledgement of my note here, I'd like to call in other input rather than keep reverting: SNUGGUMS, IndianBio, IPadPerson and Status. Acalamari 17:59, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Removed it, this is actually a failure of WP:BASICHUMANDIGNITY. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 18:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. And I would definitely suggest that the IP who added it be aware of the consequences of edits like those. IPadPerson (talk) 19:02, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Since she grew up in England, we would say she's an English singer, not a Scottish-English or Indian-English. It's sexist to only note one parent's heritage and not the other. If two parents are from different countries and reside in one with their child, (i.e. Marina and the Diamonds grew up in Wales, has a Greek father and a Welsh mother) that would be something else. It would be a mouthful to say she's a Scottish-Indian-English singer, though. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:22, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the replies, everyone; I knew that the edits weren't appropriate but after being reverted, I needed more opinions. Thanks! Acalamari 19:38, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

She Is Scottish Too

I Think It Is Very Discrimanting Not To MENTION That She Is A Strong Scottish From Her Father's Side And That Fact Should Be Mentioned.Properly She Is Scottish-British Or Scottish-english Please Change THAT And As Far As Place Of Birth Is Related Then Cliff Richards Was Born In India Then Why Not Mention Him As Indian-english Singer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.200.63 (talk • contribs)

Thank you for finally replying. It's not discriminating at all and as you can see, her Scottish ancestry is mentioned in the "Early life" section of the article, so it's not being ignored; see the above section of this talk page and WP:OPENPARAGRAPH for why adding her ethnicity to the lead sentence is inappropriate. Also, as I said above, you only seem interested in mentioning Charli XCX's Scottish heritage in the lead but you completely ignore her Indian/Ugandan background (and "Scottish-British" makes no sense either because Scotland and England are both in Britain and thus, are British, regardless of what nationalists/racists say). The lead sentence describes a person's nationality, not their ethnicity; their ethnicity is only mentioned in the lead if it is relevant to their notability, and Charli XCX's Scottish background has not made a clear contribution to her notability. Acalamari 08:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Associated acts

I've reverted this for a third time; DaReelP3Live, none of the people you keep adding to the "associated acts" field of the infobox are associated acts, as defined at Template:Infobox musical artist#associated acts. Icona Pop and Iggy Azalea have only had one collaboration each with Charli XCX, which doesn't make them her associated acts; neither has collaborated with her on multiple occasions nor have they created an album with her or gone on tour with her as one act playing together. As for Brooke Candy, the article only says that she is an influence. Continuing to re-add these names is disruptive. Acalamari 13:42, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

They have performed on the stage and have single cd album with both and both are on their albums it also says one single to — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaReelP3Live (talk • contribs)
Acalamari is right on this, DaReelP3Live. Please do NOT keep arbitrarily adding people who aren't associated acts. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:07, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Charli collaborated with Azalea on both "Fancy" and "Beg for It", that is more than one, so wouldn't it make them associated acts? { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 01:42, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Influences

I'm confused about the Influences section. It mentioned two artists and something very brief (and not well worded) about them. What is the point of this?

73.16.253.120 (talk) 04:15, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

XCX

is referring to her as "XCX" as if that's her surname really the proper way to do things? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.113.77 (talk) 21:12, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Date(s) of birth

Presently in the article, three different dates are given as her 'date of birth'. These are 2 December, 18 November and 2 August 1992. It would be consistent and desirable to get that number down to just one, OR, if there are various conflicting reliable sources, to note in the article that this is the case. Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:19, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Style

HĐ (talk) 06:21, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Repeated additions of non-associated acts

There have been repeated additions of artists who Charli has collaborated with only once. Iggy Azalea should only be listed because her and Charli have collaborated more than once, per Template:Infobox musical artist, which explicitly states that the field is only for "professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career", especially for collaborating. IPadPerson (talk) 17:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree, even with acts like Icona Pop who helped her breakthrough, acts with less than at least two collaborations, no matter how successful, shouldn't be added. Azealia911 talk 18:00, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Social Media ?

Picture

The picture of Charli XCX is kinda unattractive and not so appealing. Is there anyway we could put a new picture up for her? The picture below it in her 'biography' section is a 1000x more appealing. Thoughts? Carbrera (talk) 02:49, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

RFC: MOS:SURNAME and articles related to Charli XCX

WP:SURNAME is pretty clear on this issue: For those best known by a pseudonym, the pseudonymous surname should be used unless the surname is not recognizable in the pseudonym, in which case the entire pseudonym should be used. She doesn't use her real name in her career, as Andre 3000 does, so using 'Aitchison' is inappropriate. I see that a couple of people advocate using 'Charli', but that's also addressed in SURNAME - it infers a level of familiarity that doesn't necessarily exist. Given all that, and seeing that even the folks advocating 'Charli' are okay with this result, Charli XCX is the appropriate address. Katietalk 00:45, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

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Per MOS:SURNAME, a person should be referred to by her surname in subsequent mentions, and pseudonymous surnames should be used for people who are best known by pseudonyms. According to this guideline, referring to the singer as "XCX" in subsequent uses as a pseudonymous surname may be appropriate, although I can see an argument that "XCX" is not a proper surname. Looking at relevant articles, the styles used are very inconsistent. For example, this article uses "Charli XCX"; Boom Clap uses "XCX"; and Sucker (album) uses "Charli". It may be a good idea to standardize the style across different articles, but which style should be used? sst✈ 16:51, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Support This is the case for Bono, Sting and other musicians. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:10, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
    • @Walter Görlitz: can you specify which option do you support? sst✈ 12:58, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
      • We should consult the sources. They refer to her by her stage name and subsequently as Charli. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:17, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
      • And for the record, not all collections of letters can be pronounced. most people do not try to pronounce the letters of CIA, or FBI, but those are their names and are used to represent the subjects. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:19, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Use "Aitchison".  A pseudonym is generally defined as a fictitious name. In my opinion, a series of letters not pronounceable does not qualify as a name (or pseudonym). I say use her actual last name Aitchison.
    Richard27182 (talk) 08:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
    • The problem is that the singer is not often referred to as "Aitchison". sst✈ 12:58, 2 January 2016 (UTC) (clarification: by "problem" I mean the problem with using "Aitchison" sst✈ 17:11, 2 January 2016 (UTC))
I think the problem with comparing XCX to the others is that while Bono, Cher, Sting, etc are one name stars, they are actually names. Look at acronyms. In the US, we call John F Kennedy, JFK and it is indeed used through the article; we call LBJ, FDR and MLK those acronyms too and searching by the acronym brings up the article, though interestingly, in LBJ, JFK and FDR the acronym is used throughout the piece but it is not used in MLK (which seems totally weird to me). But, in the articles in which the acronym is used, they are alternated with mentions of the surname. I see no point in a rigid rule, as long as they are all linked, but if the stage name is Charli XCX that should be the introductory use in all articles, IMO. SusunW (talk) 14:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
  • @SusunW: I am asking about how should the name be used in subsequent uses in articles. Of course the first use should be "Charli XCX", but what about subsequent uses? sst✈ 17:11, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Honestly, the full name "Charli XCX" should be used since it is unclear if "XCX" is a surname or a title. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 00:59, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Since it's unclear if "XCX" is a surname or a title, I believe we should err on the side of caution and use her real surname for subsequent references to her in the article.
    Richard27182 (talk) 01:57, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Use "Charli". I came here from the RfC notice. It's OK to call her Charli XCX or to call her Charli. Given how this is her "common name", there is no need to call her by her putative last name, and the letter sequence is indeed awkward to pronounce. I would not use her birth name, because that is not the name that she is known by. --Tryptofish (talk) 01:17, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Use Charli - I agree with the above user. People call her by these names, "Charli" and Charli XCX," therefore I don't see a problem with it. If we use her surname, some readers might not register that that is her actual name. Cheers, Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 00:07, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Use Charli or Charli XCX. As per the above. XCX is not a normal surname, so I don't think we have to treat it as though it is. Bondegezou (talk) 14:07, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Use Charli XCX. We wouldn't use Dr. in Dr. Dre's article. The stage name is not taken as first and last name, it is one thing altogether. Unless she also goes simply by Charli sometimes in real life, we should either stick to the full pseudonym or the true last name. However, if she's more know by her pseudonym, we should go with that. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 00:19, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
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Why are all the pictures of Paige, the wrestler, and not Charli?

Each and every image is of Paige. There's a resemblance, sure, but they're hardly doppelgangers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DonSalamanca (talk • contribs) 13:16, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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