Talk:Charles Bronson/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Can someone explain what this is all about: nothing much my dear hahahahaha _{"In 1968 he starred as Harmonica in Once Upon a Time in the West. ... This was the time period in which Bronson met and dated Bryanne Heming until her deportation to Ireland in 1972."} Yet we are also told that he married Jill Ireland in 1968! Who is/was Bryanne Heming and why was she deported to Ireland of all places? Someone must have really had it in for her. OscarD (talk) 22:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I have changed his real surname from Bunchinsky to Buchinsky. Even though several newspapers list his original surname as Bunchinsky I believe this is a mistake.

IMDB say Buchinsky. The only record of the name Bunchinsky seems to be with Bronson while Buchinsky is relatively more common. US 1930 census lists no one with the name Bunchinsky, but several Buchinskys. -- Popsracer 08:37, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I changed the following:

During the McCarthy hearings he changed his last name to Bronson as Russian-sounding names were suspect even though Buchinski is really spelled Buchinski and is more Polish than Russian. (Bronson is in fact half Polish). Lithuanian was a name for people living in that regin of Poland).

First, Poland and Lithuania were part of the Soviet block, so the distinction between Polish and Russian (and Lithuanian) is irrelevant; so I changed it to the more general "Slavic". Also, "Buchinski is really spelled Buchinski" makes no sense, and is the result of an earlier ill-made edit; originally, it said, "Buchinsky is really spelled Buchinski". I am not sure which is on his birth cert, and sources differ, so I let that go. Then there is the obvious spelling error (regin for region) and extra parenthesis, not to mention the fact that Lithuanian means more than just people living in a certain region of Poland. -- Nike 23:40, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Surviving Cast from Magnificent Seven

I believe Eli Wallach is still alive. --Pozole 04:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio

Much of the article is ripped off from this site. I'm too lazy to do anything about it, but it's a problem anyway. (I'm assuming we ripped them off, not the other way around, mostly because ours has a minor change or two. I could be wrong.) Deltabeignet 23:50, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

As it says at the bottom of the page you linked to, it is a legal mirror of Wikipedia, not the other way around. biography.ms is actually quite a well known mirror of Wikipedia. 12.164.240.33 22:09, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Lithuanian and Polish

There is a big difference between Lithuanian names ending with s, vrs Polish names that end with ski. So find some references as to whether Bronson's birth name ends with sky or ski, because it makes a big difference, sky (Russian or Ukrainian), ski (Polish).

Lithuanians are Balts, not Slavs. Informationguy

I know Poles and Lithuanians are not the same, but they once were both part of Poland before it was divided up by the Russians, Prussians, et al. Bronson's parents were Lithuanian, not Polish!! 67.101.192.188 00:16, 25 January 2006 (UTC) (rms125a@hotmail.com)

Not Poland but Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. another fact - IMDB mentions, that he spoke fluent Russian, Lithuanian and Greek but does not mention Polish.--Lokyz 13:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

We know him for years as Algimantas Bruczynski - lithuanian given name, and polish surname. --88.204.251.204 (talk) 23:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

"During the McCarthy hearings he changed his last name to Bronson, as all Slavic sounding names were suspect despite the fact that his name was of Lithuanian origin"

While I'm not denying whether or not he was Lithuanian, he surname was in fact Slavic not Lithuanian.

--66.158.114.2 (talk) 15:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Descent from what exactly?

Charles Bronson is being said as being Slavic, yet his parents are only either listed as Polish or Lithuanian in the history section of this article, many Lithuanian names end with "is" or "as", so I'm asking whether he is Lithuanian-Ukrainian/Russian-Polish, to be precise because a Russian/Ukrainian suffix in his surname along with claims to being either Lithuanian or Polish seems to be not giving credit to his possible Ukrainian or Russian origins. Since "Slavic" is too weak a description, almost like "Citizen of the World", there are many different Slavs: South Slavs, South-West Slavs (Serbs), South-East Slavs, East Slavs (Belarusians, Ukrainians, Russians), West-Slavs (Poles, Slovaks, Czechs) Informationguy

In Lithuanian language most mans has nemes ending "-as" or "-is". In XX century in different years Lithuania or parts of Lithuania was ocupated by Russia, Germany, Poland, Soviet Union. Some more time ago Lithuania have had common kingdom with Poland. Lithuania was newer been isolated from other culture and many Lithuanians are having names from neighbour cultures. Because of Lithuanian gramathics some times the name of the same person is spellt different in Lithunian language and in other language. On example, original name of Charles Bronson in Lithuanian is Karolis Bučinskis. Mykolas OK

Please stop posting he was Polish or Slavic. Bronson was born Charles Buchinsky in 1921 in the southwestern Pennsylvania town of Ehrenfeld, the 11th of 15 children of Lithuanian immigrant parents. Source: [1]/ --Vytis1 22:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Please stop posting he was Lithuanian or Baltic. Bronson was born Charles Buchinsky in 1921 in the southwestern Pennsylvania town of Ehrenfeld, the 11th of 15 children of Polish immigrant parents. Source: http://imdb.com/name/nm0000314/. He was Polsh. Jurand.

Yes, he would made a proud Polish citizen :) The same site you suggested says that Bronson spoke fluent Russian, Lithuanian and Greek. If he was Polish how come he never learned the polish language from his mother. There is no need to discuss on that page where he was born... Can you trust this IMDB site? Ask any American in Chicago and they'll say that he had Lithuanian roots. By the way from what Polish city his parents came? Also pay attention to the category - it clearly states Lithuanian-Americans. Read the CNN source, or would you rely on a contradictory IMDB source? Same source: [2]--Vytis1 23:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

By the way, his face looks like so Asiatic - Does he have any Tatar ancestors? --1523 08:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, from what I've read Bronson is a descendant of Lipka Tatars. I can find a source if needed. radek 05:49, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Everyone, you gotta remember that Bronson's parents left Eastern Europe shortly after World War I. There was no Lithuania or Poland before this so you can't determine his ethnicity based on what city they came from. It's like saying Hanna Schygulla was a Polish actress because she was born in Katowice which is present-day Poland. No, she is German, her name is German. Buchinsky is not a Lithuanian name. I think we should list Bronson's parents as Polish-Lithuanian. WACGuy 07:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Does Schygulla sound or look germanic? Hardly. It looks like Szyguła, 100% polish name. Don't make the mistake of thinking she was German only because the city of her origin was under german occupation at the time. It's about ethnicity, not the political boundries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.12.91.242 (talk) 22:27, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

• I've included a link that said his first language was Lithuanian. Ethnic Poles spoke Polish. Some sites list Bronson as part Russian. I think these are all mistakes. So we should keep it as "Lithuanian" until anyone can find a source as reliable as USA Today or CNN, which say just "Lithuanian". Also, I've removed the Catholic category, I couldn't find anything to confirm it. Please restore if you do. Oh, and for the record, the IMDB is a crap source responsible for mistake after mistake. It's a Wiki, too, only one that's not as easy to correct. JackO'Lantern 04:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

His father Walter Buchinsky was indeed Lithuanian, his mother Mary Valinsky was American born Tamaqua, Pennsylvania. Walter & Mary were married in 1907 in Cambria, Pennsylvania.

You have to remeber, Eastern Europe has been overrun by Asians, this is why the vast majority have these Asian features. It is not something that just appeared, his looks are there from mixture. Nationalities are just that. Races are different from nationalities.--71.235.81.32 23:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Charles Bronson was Lithuanian and that's it. I'm a Lithuanian, and have last name that sounds Polish, because my ansestors decided to do so. People would make their last-names polish because in historic times, when the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania existed, only peasants spoke lithuanian and had lithuanian last names , most people would change their last names and learn polish, because lithuanian was considered to be the language of peasants (tragic really). Many modern lithuanians have Polish-sounding last-names because of this. 78.59.43.198 (talk) 07:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

The article says that Bronson was descended from Lipka Tatars. If the Lipka Tatars are a Muslim people, does that mean that Bronson's family was also Muslim? Santamoly (talk) 07:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

But you know that when Johnny Carson at his show, asked Charles of what his ethnicity, Charles said Russian! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.106.147.63 (talk) 16:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Religion?

was charles a muslim or a jew? anyone know? it would be a relevent addition to his life.

Bronson was Lithuanian.

Lithuanians can often be Muslim or Jewish - or any other known religion.

What the heck? I'm Lithuanian and the majority of them are Roman-Catholic. Please don't say things you have no idea about.--12.72.29.30 21:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Lipka Tatars are Muslim. They can't speak mother language: Kipchak language. Only character that connects them to ancestry is religion, Islam. His daughter's name is Züleyha, this may be a tip. --Тимур (talk) 15:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

What was his extraction?

Lithuanian extraction of Bronson seems very doubtful. I have checked a few hundred web sites and I have found no evidence of such. All mentions about his Lithuanian extraction seem to derive from the same source. The same about his language - this mention comes from one article in a popular newspaper that not neceserily has to be correct. On the contrary I have found a few sites stating his Polish extraction, including IMD. The only things I have found on official sites were:

1. His father was from Lithuania (what does not make him ethnic Lithuanian - at the time of emigration of his father Lithuania did not exist in the modern sense). 2. English was not his first language.

And further - his surname does not sound Lithuanian but rather Polish (anglicized version of Buczyński surname). 2. The same about his mother's surname. If there were ethnic Lithuanians anglicized versions of their surnames would keep final -s, as it is not problem for English speakers and it would look like Bucinskis.

So who was he: Karolis Bučinskis or Karol Buczyński. Or mayby just Charles Buchinski?

I have removed mentions about his ethnic extraction. Could someone find some sound sources, for example biography, instead of nationalistic agenda?Yeti 00:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

dubious book about Bronson

I removed the following section:

In the Bronson biography, Charles Bronson: From West To Best, written by Eric Preston, the claim is made that "he was drafted into the military, and then signed up for the Army Air Corps." Military records, however, indicate differently.

After searching google and amazon.com, I was not able to find any evidence that such a book exists or an author named Eric Preston --rogerd 03:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

About The Deleted Pictures

Pleases try to upload them again and tag them as promotion material. And if some one still has that cool promotion picture from Death Wish III where Charels is aming his lovely .475 Wildey Magnum. Please put it back up because I used it in my article too......thanxxxx FreddyFred 01:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Film: "Assassination"

The pointer points to the wrong "Assassination" film. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.32.119.35 (talk) 06:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

Not listed: "Someone Behind the Door (1971)"

Isn't the above one of Charlse Bronson's film? See http://www.amazon.com/Someone-Behind-Door-Charles-Bronson/dp/B00023BLZ8 See http://amazon.imdb.com/name/nm0000314/ Also known as Quelqu'un derrière la porte (1971) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.54.155 (talk) 15:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Why are the Family of Cops films that he did not listed?...i believe they were the last thing he did in the mis to late 90's....

Reference checked

Corrected obituary

October 6, 2003, Monday An article in The Times Magazine on Sept. 22, 1974, about the movie actor Charles Bronson, who died on Aug. 30 this year, misstated his military record. Publicity material asserting that Mr. Bronson had been a B-29 gunner in World War II, called into doubt by the article, was indeed correct. (The magazine error came to light after it was repeated in an obituary on Sept. 2 and in some late editions on Sept. 1. The more recent error was corrected in this space on Sept. 18.)

Original Obituary

An obituary of the movie actor Charles Bronson on Sept. 2 and in some late editions on Sept. 1 misstated his military record. Mr. Bronson had indeed been an aircraft gunner during World War II, as his publicity materials said. (His initial assignment, in Kingman, Ariz., involved maintenance and operations of the base messes.) He was a member of the 760th Flexible Gunnery Training Squadron, not the 760th Mess Squadron. In 1945 Mr. Bronson was attached to a B-29 squadron of the 39th Bombardment Group, based in Guam, which conducted combat missions against the Japanese home islands.

Corrected obituary (redundant)

October 6, 2003, Monday An article in The Times Magazine on Sept. 22, 1974, about the movie actor Charles Bronson, who died on Aug. 30 this year, misstated his military record. Publicity material asserting that Mr. Bronson had been a B-29 gunner in World War II, called into doubt by the article, was indeed correct. (The magazine error came to light after it was repeated in an obituary on Sept. 2 and in some late editions on Sept. 1. The more recent error was corrected in this space on Sept. 18.)

read carefully. the corrected obituary states charles bronson was a mess attendant, not even a cook, let alone a B-29 gunner.

The article states that his publicity material was in fact correct. The correction begins: Correction: September 18, 2003, Thursday An obituary of the movie actor Charles Bronson on Sept. 2 and in some late editions on Sept. 1 misstated his military record. Mr. Bronson had indeed been an aircraft gunner during World War II, as his publicity materials said.

question: for all I remember, I read that Charles Bronson died of mesothelioma. Of course that could have caused/masked as the stated pneumonia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marenp (talk • contribs) 12:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

A couple of points

Lokyz, before you blindly revert please note that:

• 1. I did not put the wiki link in there, it was already there. I ADDED a source, which you have now proceeded to remove.
• 2. I also added a source for the "Buchinski" spelling of his name, which you also removed. Honestly, I don't care that much whether it's Buchinski or Buchinsky, though the later is obviously an Anglization of the original "ski".
• 3. The "Bumbliausias" reference was broken. Again, you might want to check things like that before blindly reverting.
• 4. The name he adopted is not "Barsons" but "Bronson". Even so it's a little weird to say that he was the first of the "Bronsons" "allegedly" to graduate from high school since no one else in his family had that name. Again, check before blindly reverting.
• 5. I provided a ref for Charles' Lipka heritage. You have removed it, with no comment. Now the word "Lipka" or "Tatar" does not appear anywhere in the article. Why? Is this an attempt to "Lithuanize" him? Is he just a "Tatarized Lithuanian" (in the same way that supposedly Poles in Lithuania are just "Polonized Ruthenians"?) Why can't he be both Tatar and Lithuanian (and whatever else)? Please also note that these sources (which can hardly be called academic, like Bumbliausias or mag obituaries) when calling his parents "Lithuanian" are referring to his parents' citizenship, not ethnicity.

Note also that I added back in the constructive portion of MK's edits.radek (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

• • Provide academic sources to back up this original research Please also note that these sources (which can hardly be called academic, like Bumbliausias or mag obituaries) when calling his parents "Lithuanian" are referring to his parents' citizenship, not ethnicity.

Provide academic sources that they're not.radek (talk) 22:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

• • Provide exact quote from the Polish source which argues about his "tatar" heritage, none of the major publish English sources, which I have, even notes this "fact".M.K. (talk) 10:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

jeden zreszta z najpopularniejszych aktorow amerykanskich, Charles Bronson, ktory nigdy nie ukruwal swoego oryginalnego polskiego nazwiska, "Karol Buczynski"...to potomek starej polskiej szlachty, wywodzacej sie z spolonizowanych Tatarowh.

Translation "also, one of the most popular American actors, Charles Bronson, who never tried to hide his original Polish name of "Karol Buczynski"...is a descendant of old Polish nobility, related to the polonized Tatars".radek (talk) 22:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Additionally, some of the sources which are being included, such as this one: http://www.biggeststars.com/, are basically celebrity gossip cites and like IMDb, are not reliable. Furthermore, there are also reliable sources, like PAP, which state that his parents were Polish [3]. And to finish this off, Druskieniki where his father came from, lies right smack on the border between present day Belarus, Lithuania, and Poland, and in the interwar period was part of Poland and before that part of Russian empire. I'm not trying to make Bronson Polish here though - I'm trying to make him multi ethnic, which he was, and to give recognition to his Tatar heritage (part of the reason English sources don't mention this as much is because most English Hollywood writers wouldn't know a Tatar from a Nahua, which is in fact how he got to play all those "Mexican" and "Indian" roles in the first place). So please stop trying to "Lithuanize" him.radek (talk) 22:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Radeksz, regarding the reliability of sources:

• 5.^ "Zmarł Charles Bronson" (Charles Bronson has died), PAP, September 1, 2003, [4]. What makes onet.pl announcement more reliable and unbiased than, for example, the same announcement on bbc.co.uk?
• The source 4.^ Patricia Mallenby, "Essays in World History", Firstchoicebooks, 2007, p. 228, [5] says that he had "Polish immigrant parents" and quotes source 25, which is IMDb where it's clearly written "Lithuanian immigrant parents". If it was stated "Polish" on IMDb some time ago, then the error has been fixed long since. Other sources might also have caught up from there. Please remove the source "Essays in World History", as clearly erroneous.

Anyway, there is no reference which gives (or cites) reasons for calling his parents Polish immigrants. They came to US from Lithuania and spoke Lithuanian, thus they are Lithuanian immigrants. Now you can refute this or, for example, argue where his grandparents are from, but please speak facts, not allegations. Currently the "Polish" claim is not substantiated and should best be removed. The last name is no proof.

It is funny, how whenever you guys can trace some famous person's origins and/or last name to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, then for you this person is either: 1. Polish, or 2. "Polish-Lithuanian(-smth.) - it's hard to say, it was one multinational country, it's complicated, etc...". Never Lithuanian. The same story, for example, here: Kazimierz Siemienowicz. --77.22.147.109 (talk) 02:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Tested for role of Superman?

The entry claims that Bronson tested for the role of Superman. Fascinating trivia, and I have seen it mentioned elsewhere on the internet (possibly because it is mentioned here). But--is there any reliable source that backs this up? I'm a big Bronson fan, but I find it to be a pretty fantastic story. Bronson's craggy, mustachioed visage alone would seem to make it one of the stranger cast choices in cinema history. Any truth to this one--that can be backed up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldsmobile (talk • contribs) 22:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Presumably the Superman character was meant to be a lot older. (92.12.98.85 (talk) 09:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC))

I don't understand this mess : Harriet Tendler (1949–1967) (divorced) 2 children

Jill Ireland (1968–1990) (her death) 1 daughter Kim Weeks (1998–2003) (his death) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.103.194.186 (talk) 12:14, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Playboy Interview

Bronson gave what I still consider to be the greatest interview in the history of Playboy Magazine back in the mid-1970s with interesting factual tidbits and a real sense of the man. It would be wonderful if anyone could track that down as I recall it was full of great information and would add a little more flavor to the good work done here already.--75.4.27.220 (talk) 10:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Red Sun

I think Charles Bronson die an excellant job as a tough train robber in the spagheti western "Red Sun" with Ursula Andress and Tofirio Mifune. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.93.199.154 (talk) 12:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

He starred in episodes of "Have Gun, Will Travel".

David tedder, Crossville,tn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.209.193 (talk) 20:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

The Mechanic

"The Mechanic" doesnt seem to get enough mention in the Bio considering that is probably one of his better roles and better films as well as the pinacle of his hard guy image...122.148.41.172 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:02, 5 February 2011 (UTC). Add "From Noon Till Three" as another great role (and film and i think citically aclaimed) worthy of further mention....122.148.41.172 (talk) 02:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I have seen Charles Bronson in one episode of Bonanza.75.140.71.76 (talk) 07:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Homosexual?

"Charles Bronson (November 3, 1921 – August 30, 2003), born Charles Dennis Buchinsky (Lithuanian: Karolis[1] Dionyzas Bučinskis),[2][3][4] was a homosexual American actor best known for his "tough guy" image."

I can't believe I'm saying this but... Citation needed. I've never heard about this, and his sexual orientation is only mentioned in that opening paragraph. Was that added by someone on purpose? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.171.219.76 (talk) 02:43, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Children

The bio says he and Jill Ireland had 2 children, one of whom was adopted, but his bio box only lists them as having one together. Is there a reason for this difference?Bobbyandbeans (talk) 04:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Lede

I cleaned up the lede which was riddled with redlinks and impossibly confusing. If someone wants to try again to add the Lithuanian and/or Polish equivalents of his birth name, feel free. Quis separabit? 21:15, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Bonanza

Charles Bronson also appeared in the episode "The Underdog," in the TV series Bonanza. Desertphile (talk) 01:14, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

One Step Beyond

He also starred in the episode "The Last Round" form the second or third season of the US TV show One Step Beyond which originally aired from 1959 to 1961. It's not in the first season DVD release so the episode must be from season two or three. He played an aging boxer. DJParker39 (talk) 00:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Polish-American?

He was Lithuanian-American.--RM (Be my friend) 00:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

There are sources given for the claim. If you want to add other sourced claims that's fine, but don't remove sourced text. That also goes for all the IPs, including any hijinks by users with topic-bans on anything to do with people's nationalities.VolunteerMarek 18:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Google searches are not a reliable source. One should certainly remove sourced text if the sources are unreliable. 190.44.158.38 (talk) 01:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

His parents' surnames are not Lithuanian. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 11:00, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

Charles Bronson born in America but didn't learn English till his teens strange — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.129.23 (talk) 15:30, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Some source quotes

According to "Charles Bronson" by David Downing, copyright 1983, published by W.H. Allen & Co. Ltd. (in the UK) and St. Martin's Press (New York) (in the US); ISBN 0312 130104

Father was "Walter Bunchinsky"; mother was "Mary Valinsky"; Bronson was fifth son, born Nov 3 1921: "Their fifth son, Charles Dennis Bunchinsky, was one of these; he was born on 3 November 1921."

His family belongs to the tatarian szlachta oh Lithuania. The name "Bunchinsky" is maybe used in transcription from cyrilic (russian letters), but his family is Bunczyn coat of arms Radwan, first came on 1450, in wojewódstwo krakowskie (Cracau), Privincja Małopolska

Sources: Długosz, Borkowski, Starzykoń-Kasprzycki, Stefan: Polska encyklopedia szlachecka, Vol. IV, Warszawa 1936, s. 305

sailor 2010, 20. XI. 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.232.30.204 (talk) 11:16, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Anybody remember him in Chato's Land?

Maybe the greatest Vietnam era parable I ever saw. Anybody remember?

Chato's Land was ok but how about "Machine-Gun Kelly" directed by Corman in 1958. That was definitely his first great role on big screen. the thing is it seems to be lost or something, it's still not on DVD.

Marty Rockatansky 71.11.192.122 (talk) 21:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Filmography

I have no idea how to edit this piece, but I just finished watching "Vera Cruz", a 1954 film starring Gary Cooper and Burt Lancaster. Bronson had a speaking role under the name Buchinsky, with lines in two or three scenes; not a major role, but enough to get him into a list of featured players numbering about ten. The close ups were few, but the voice unmistakable. If Wikipedia is correct, this is one of his earliest film roles, and not mentioned in this piece.71.11.192.122 (talk) 21:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Clean-up needed

Some citations are broken or have problem and others do not support the information the citation is associated with. This is probably not a complete list.

1. The citations (#11 and #12) for the claim that he did not speak English until a teen do not mention this fact, but citation #16 (military.com) does. I still suspect this is a legend but I have added a separate "talk" section this.
2. Citation #5 links to a page which no longer exists.
3. Citation #9 links to a page which no longer exists.
4. Citation #14 links to the general WP page on Ripley's Believe it or Not, rather than anything that deals with the line that is cited. Is this acceptable?
5. Citations #22 and #23 link to the WP page about Moscow, among other things. What is the point?
6. Some citations seems to contain the same article as others, as if a reprintings of a common source.

Arbalest Mike (talk) 00:45, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Clarification of Language/Education

The article says that he graduated high school but also states that he did not learn English until his teens. If the needed biographical information exists can someone elaborate on this? Did he live in an all Lithuanian/Russian community and not need English? What kind of primary education did he get without speaking English? Perhaps the late age of learning English is not true? Arbalest Mike (talk) 00:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

It is a rough mistake stating he was a Polish born to Polish imigrants. See his own interview, where he states he was "Lithuanian and Russian": http://www.rogerebert.com/interviews/charles-bronson-its-just-that-i-dont-like-to-talk-very-much and a solid source imdb: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000314/bio — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ke an (talk • contribs) 17:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

He earned one dollar for each ton of coal that he mined.

This quote comes from the Roger Ebert interview http://www.rogerebert.com/interviews/charles-bronson-its-just-that-i-dont-like-to-talk-very-much

(Bronson himself makes the assertion, though in context it could be hyperbolic or anecdotal and not strictly factual - the quote in the article could be altered to "In an interview, Bronson stated that...") — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.135.50.75 (talk) 22:41, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

"When I worked, the rate was a dollar a ton. You spent one whole day preparing so you could spend the next day getting it out. The miners felt bound together; they knew how much they could get out, how much they could do. And they worked. With the new machines, it's easier. Not more pleasant, but easier. But in those days, that was pure work. It wasn't a man on a dock with a forklift or any of that bullshit. It was pure work." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.135.50.75 (talk) 22:36, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2015

I am not certain, but if you flew on any B type bomber in World War II, you had to have the rank of sergeant or higher to do so.

65.78.127.84 (talk) 16:43, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:48, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Bronson War Service Incorrect

Charles Bronson's bio is incorrect. He did not serve as a gunner on a bomber in WWII. He served stateside, in the U.S. Army. He was in A noncombat job. For verification, read this excerpt below from the New York Times article that was Bronson's news obituary: "In 1943, he was drafted into the Army. Years later, after he established himself as an actor, his press releases would say he had been a tail gunner during World War II. But one reporter found that Mr. Bronson was assigned to the 760th Mess Squadron in Kingman, Ariz., and that he drove a delivery truck during the war." Please correct the Bronson entry in Wikipedia to fix the misconception that he saw combat during the war -- he did not.

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2016

Please consider that Charles Bronson' father was born in Polish  town of Druskienniki in occupied by  Russia Polish -Lithuanian state from which later , after IWW , emerged two independent states . I doubt that he did not know Polish language and had no connection with Poland . Information that he spoke Lithuanian and Russian only are not right . He is recognized in Poland as being of Polish origin actor .  

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 10:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2016

Can you fix the IMDb link in the external links section? Thanks

206.45.9.182 (talk) 00:00, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Works fine for me - Mlpearc (open channel) 00:26, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't work for me. 206.45.9.182 (talk) 02:02, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2017

• • He was also on Bonanza! Season 6 ep. 12 97.125.117.119 (talk) 19:13, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Does not match List of Bonanza episodes — Train2104 (t • c) 15:47, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2017

I would like to contribute my drawing of Charles Bronson. I already uploaded onto the 'commons.wikipedia.org'. It is located at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CharlesBronson.jpg

Please have it embeded somewhere in the in the pages of Charles Bronson.

Thank you, LeVanBay (aka ND) Levanbay (talk) 01:56, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 02:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Acting Carreer - early days

Charles Bronson lived with three other guys in the New York apartment - Jack Klugman, William T Skelton, Frank Stevens (all now deceased). Skelton kept in contact with Klugman and Stevens for years afterward until their deaths. Bronson would keep in shape in the apartment by lifting milk jugs, chairs and whatever he could find. Oddly enough, they always agreed amongst themselves that "Charlie" would never make it big. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KimberliMaloy (talk • contribs) 00:44, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Charles Bronson on Laramie

Charles Bronson appeared on at least two episodes of the T.V. series Laramie 1958-1961. one episode he was half indian and wanted to have his indian relatives live on the ranch he inherited from his white father. in the second episode, he was an ex-con that Slim Sherman helped after his release from prison.66.208.108.8 (talk) 16:26, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2019

ADDITION to: Leading support actor in Hollywood (1960–1968) Charles Bronson also appeared along side Barbara Stanwyck in "The Big Valley" Earthquake, as 'Tate' - Season 1, Episode 9, 10 November 1965 Verification IMDB 71.238.13.110 (talk) 19:19, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

References

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. IMDb is not a reliable source. I will happily add this if you can provide another source. NiciVampireHeart 22:08, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Portal bar

The documentation at Template:Portal_bar clearly states: "Please note that this template does not belong in the "See also" section."

I recommend moving the portal bar down after the External links section and removing the See Also subheading. -- 109.77.254.36 (talk) 13:23, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:28, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Lipka Tatar?

There is a reference to Bronson having Lipka Tatar roots. However, the source given does not seem to meet Wikipedia standards, especially WP:V. I am seeing quite a bit on the Internet but it is apparently "closed-loop" repetition of Wikipedia and that same site. Not seeing anything in any of the articles written about him while he was alive. It seems to me, given his hardscrabble background and the obscurity of his parents, that Bronson himself would have been the source for that particular information. It cannot and should be surmised on the basis of his physical appearance, which is apparently the basis for that information. I think, in short, given the quantity written about Bronson, that we need better sourcing. Coretheapple (talk) 21:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 July 2020

GROBIN (talk) 11:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

He was actually of both Lithuanian AND Polish ascent. I would like to add it, as this is a very interesting fact regarding Charles Bronson

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Rummskartoffel (talk) 14:07, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Another role

Charles Bronson guest starred in joe Palooka Show Season 1, Episode 1. Two Rings For Eddie as a fighter named Eddie Crane. He stars as Charles Buchinsky in this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireflycountry (talk • contribs) 04:18, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Amount of money that Charles Bronson earned for mining coal

This is a complaint about the phrasing of two possible comments by Charles Bronson. I read the guidelines and am uncertain whether I am violating them as this is mostly opinion but offered as one versed in the subject. Normally I actually make edits (all have been approved) but only on mechanical, scientific or mathematical subjects.

I retired from two professions, the first was coal mining. My region has many mines including many that were mined out through the 1920s and 1930s. My grandfather hand loaded coal from 1920-1950 after serving in WW1. My father hand-loaded before serving in WW2 and a short time after the war before pursuing other employment. I grew up hearing coal mining stories from local residents and family.

Because of that, I would like to comment, no proof offered nor inferred, that Charles Bronson was either misquoted or did not express himself clearly about the amount he earned per ton of coal. The retail price of bituminous coal was around $3.50 per ton during the depression (the time frame under discussion) with some small operators selling for even less. If there was ever an "incentive" wage for coal mining (in those days) I am unaware of it (grandpa was paid by the hour but, by the ton, it would have worked out to about 20 to 25 cents per ton). Miners were paid by the hour. On top of that, the "company store" often offered the only reasonably located option to buy goods, usually at "we got you" prices. Few coal mining families could afford cars it was impractical to travel long distances to buy elsewhere.

Here's my best take on the comments. In the 1900s, coal prices were often around $1 per ton, in the 30s, owner-operators made about $1 per ton profit. It is possible that Mr. Bronson was referring to one of those numbers and was misunderstood. In regards to the earning $1 in two weeks, that too is likely referring to "other things". When all things were considered, it was all a family could do to keep their heads above water (exactly as the operators intended). Working double shifts to earn $1 in two weeks more likely meant to get $1 ahead of the game, i.e. SAVE $1.

My complaint about the phrasing of "in one interview he said this and another he said that" is that, when I read it, it sounded like Charles Bronson was being deceptive. If one is being deceptive it would seem odd that he's "bragging" about how much he earned in one interview and "complaining" about how much he didn't earn in another.

--Wayne Shook, retired UMWA miner (retired 2000) and member of the US Champion Peabody Marissa Mine Team (199) Retired software engineer from Northrop Grumman (2013).

Shooky56 (talk) 15:41, 13 December 2020 (UTC)Wayne ShookShooky56 (talk) 15:41, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Father's original name and language spoken at home

It is doubtful that his father in Pennsylvania spelled his name Valteris P. Bučinskis according to later Lithuanian spelling reforms https://www.lituanus.org/1983_4/83_4_02.htm . It is also doubtful that his home language was Lithuanian as the place of origin of his father was the town of Druskininkai (a part of Imperial Russia at the time his father immigrated to U.S.A.) where, according to the Polish 1921 census, only 19 out of about 1000 inhabitants declared themselves as Lithuanians. [[6]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pernambuco1 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Greek

Bronson's ethnic background accounts for Lithuanian and Russian, but how did he come to speak Greek?Bill (talk) 04:54, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Lipka Tatar

Paternal Lipka Tatarian164.0.7.196 (talk) 11:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Titus

American

If by "American", one means English, "Buchinsky" does not sound English. It is possible that the original Lithuanian name is a lithuanianised form of the Slav. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:4E9F:D101:4415:4CA9:6EC8:CF06 (talk) 14:04, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2022

Change 'Born Charles Dennis Buchinsky' to 'Born Karolis Dionyzas Bučinskis'. That was his real name given at birth. 86.100.154.52 (talk) 11:45, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:41, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Television

Year	Title	Role	Notes	Ref.
1956	Have Camera Will Travel	Reese	Television film
1972	The Bull of the West	Ben Justin	Television film
1974	The Meanest Men in the West	Harge Talbot Jr.	Television film
1976	Raid on Entebbe	General Dan Shomron	Television film
1986	Act of Vengeance	Joseph "Jock" Yablonski	Television film
1991	Yes Virginia, There Is a Santa Claus	Francis Church	Television film
1993	The Sea-Wolf	Captain Wolf Larsen	Television film
1993	Donato and Daughter	Sergeant Mike Donato	Television film
1995	Family of Cops	Commissioner Paul Fein	Television film
1997	Breach of Faith: A Family of Cops 2	Commissioner Paul Fein	Television film
1999	Family of Cops 3	Commissioner Paul Fein	Television film

--84.252.28.57 (talk) 16:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Update Charles Bronson filmography?!?

Please add my style for filmography of Bronson...

Will anyone make these changes with Bronson film and television tables?!? --84.252.28.57 (talk) 22:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Filmography...

Please make Charles Bronson Filmography in separete stand-alone page? --89.215.252.224 (talk) 11:17, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Buchinsky

I just watched Vera Cruz. He is clearly shown as Charles Buchinsky at the 1:38 point, not as Charles Bronson. I am unable to edit the page or I would make the correction myself. 71.220.162.188 (talk) 03:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2022

In the opening paragraph, it is stated that Bronson and his wife Jill Ireland appeared in 15 films together, but they actually appeared in 16. The sixteen films they appeared in together are detailed in this article: https://mikestakeonthemovies.com/2021/11/14/jill-ireland-joins-charles-bronson-on-camera/amp/

They can also easily be identified when viewing Bronson and Ireland’s collaborations on IMDB’s advanced search page:

https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?roles=nm0000314,nm0409866&title_type=feature,tv_episode,video,tv_movie,tv_special,mini_series,documentary,game,short

The IMDB list in fact shows 18 theatrical film collaborations between the two, but the titles The Evil That Men Do (1984) and Murphy’s Law (1986) appear because Ireland acted as a producer or executive producer on these projects without appearing in them. If you check each of the other titles closely, you will see that Bronson and Ireland appeared in all 16 of them. I have already corrected this error on Jill Ireland’s Wikipedia page, and am requesting that someone do so for the Charles Bronson page, as I am unable to because the page is tamper-protected, requiring a registered editor to make changes to it. 2605:B100:B16:FFF5:795F:A5C9:1478:CBF9 (talk) 01:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done Aaron Liu (talk) 08:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Citation requested

I've asked that a citation be provided to verify the opening statement in this articles lead; namely that Bronson was "often cast in roles of police officers, gunfighters, or vigilantes in revenge-oriented plot lines." The statement strikes me as opinion based original research and suggesting he often appeared in such roles lacks credibility by not mentioning roles he was cast in significantly more often (as a boxer and soldier for example). If a citation is available, please provide it, if the statement is not verifiable in secondary sources, please rework the lead so that it accurately describes the subject and better summarizes the article itself. Thank you. --John Cline (talk) 08:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Seeing no response to my request, I have modified the prose using verbiage which can be verified in the included reference. Best regards. --John Cline (talk) 08:04, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Broken ref

@KenzoShibata: looks like you forgot to fill in the ref you named "new2". -- Fyrael (talk) 21:16, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Charles Bronson’s Education

I would like to suggest that Charles Bronson’s education is listed here. He graduated from a highly prestigious Accredited theater arts college. He graduated from the Pasadena Playhouse Theater probably in 1950. He went on the G.I. Bill as did many other World War II veterans. That Theatre is there in a Pasadena to this day. The Pasadena Playhouse theater was to Los Angeles what Juilliard would be to New York and considered a formal education. 2600:1700:8D40:BA10:D046:320B:55FF:E400 (talk) 01:46, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

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Physique

Bronson’s physique continues to be unique and extraordinary to this day, so long after his career and life ended. I’m personally convinced much more needs to be said about it in this article, in terms of his diet, exercise regimen, and any other factors involved that made him special in this regard. The photo of Bronson and Ireland Aristotle Athari recently posted on his IG feed is frankly shocking for its time and era. Very few male actors looked like this during his heyday, and it needs to be asked how Bronson was able to do this. Viriditas (talk) 09:00, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2023

In the opening paragraph, change "At a young age, his father who was miner died." to "At a young age, his father who was a miner, died." ErkVonGustaf (talk) 02:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done DreamRimmer (talk) 08:47, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Sergio Leone Missed roles

There was a missed role section which I deleted to put in its appropriate spot in his career timeline. I heard mixed things regarding I heard he turned down all three... Or just the first two but not the third. The citations are from IMDb and a pages from a book I am unaware of.

Sergio Leone offered Bronson the part of "Man with No Name" in A Fistful of Dollars. Bronson declined, arguing that the script was bad. Bronson was again approached for a starring role in the sequel For a Few Dollars More but he passed, citing that the sequel's script was like the first film. Bronson was offered both the roles of Tuco and Angel Eyes in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Bronson wanted to accept but he had to decline both, as he was in England filming The Dirty Dozen.

Thanks Filmman3000 (talk) 16:56, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

References

Corrections

Bronson's father died of cancer in September 1933, aged 45. Thus, Bronson was almost 12 years old, not 10 years old, at the time. Two such mistakes should be corrected (one in lede, "His father was miner who died when he was 10 years old", and once again in early years biodata). 166.199.114.63 (talk) 23:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

That information was deleted from the lede, and modified to "at a young age". However it remains in his early life. I did not write that section. Filmman3000 (talk) 17:17, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

The correction was done as per the citation Filmman3000 (talk) 22:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Simpson's character parody?

On the show the Simpsons they have a character that parodys Bronsons voice. 70.54.96.201 (talk) 14:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic trivia. - FlightTime (open channel) 14:39, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Spoke Greek?

Recommend removing claim he spoke Greek: "Besides English, he could also speak Lithuanian, Russian and Greek.[11][12]"

-- the first reflink makes no mention of his speaking Greek and the second is IMDb, which is non-RS. 65.88.88.54 (talk) 21:11, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Anyone there? No truth to hearsay/myth that Bronson spoke Greek. Not a single reliable source confirms it (IMDb is non-RS). Please remove it. 166.199.114.69 (talk) 15:27, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Was not Charles Bronson in an episode of Gunsmoke ? 2600:1700:6074:5000:90FF:807D:9C6E:F86E (talk) 00:07, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2023

Add: In 1965 he guest-starred in an episode of the tv series The Virginian titled " The Nobility of Kings". 24.189.84.226 (talk) 20:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 11:42, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Million, not millions

A movie makes 22 million, not millions. Use proper English 2800:E2:2380:1427:C12C:3228:4D7E:780C (talk) 17:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

His obituary is a story in itself

The The New York Times got it wrong, from his obiturary on Sept 1, 2003:

In 1943, he was drafted into the Army. Years later, after he established himself as an actor, his press releases would say he had been a tail gunner during World War II. But one reporter found that Mr. Bronson was assigned to the 760th Mess Squadron in Kingman, Ariz., and that he drove a delivery truck during the war.

"Charles Bronson, 81, Dies; Muscular Movie Tough Guy". The New York Times. September 1, 2023.

Then on 18 Sept, the correction:

An obituary of the movie actor Charles Bronson on Sept. 2 and in some late editions on Sept. 1 misstated his military record. Mr. Bronson had indeed been an aircraft gunner during World War II, as his publicity materials said. (His initial assignment, in Kingman, Ariz., involved maintenance and operations of the base messes.) He was a member of the 760th Flexible Gunnery Training Squadron, not the 760th Mess Squadron. In 1945 Mr. Bronson was attached to a B-29 squadron of the 39th Bombardment Group, based in Guam, which conducted combat missions against the Japanese home islands.

"Corrections". The New York Times. September 18, 2023. 147.147.221.206 (talk) 11:48, 23 February 2024 (UTC)