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Last edit to the article removing Barry Collier

Is there a reason an anonymous editor removed the current Butler AD, who was also the Head Men's B-ball coach at butler, as well as Nebraska for many years? - CollegeSportsGuy 07:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Notable Alumni

Should we really have current students as "notable alumni?" By definition, they are not alumni. Although I think Gordon Hayward will eventually have a place on this list, I don't think that time is prior to his leaving the university. City boy77 (talk) 04:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

This is a very good question and one that I'm not sure has an easy answer. According to the Butler alumni website http://www.butler.edu/alumni, "Individuals with a Butler degree or those who have completed 30 or more hours of course work automatically become members of the Butler University Alumni Association". I'm not sure what Butler's official stance on this is however. I imagine the office of Registration and Records would have the answer. Tjohnsto (talk) 01:02, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

The custom within Wikipedia is that all students of the school, past and present, degreed or dropout, who have articles about them should be included in such lists. This includes Nobel prize winners, mass murderers, or anybody else. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Re-Assessment

Per the request I have re-assessed this article as a "C-class" article. See the assessment guide at Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities/Assessment. Basically, this is article is in pretty decent shape, but with some problems. Various sections have a promotional or informal (like the " Mascot" section) tone. There are also a few departures from normal university articles, like the tables of leadership for each college. There are also a lot of lists that should be turned into prose. There are some abnormalities, including "This section needs references!!!!! " as the opening sentence for the "Institute for Study Abroad" section. I'd suggest requesting a peer review for help on improvements.--GrapedApe (talk) 01:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

You've made excellent progress so far. At this point, I'd recommend taking a look at the finer details of WP:UNIGUIDE and WP:BOOSTER for advice on what to add and what to trim, as well as how to organize the article. Overall, try to eliminate excess detail (e.g. listing specific degree programs, entire paragraphs about each sport, things of that nature) and rework the tone - the article should describe the school, not applaud it. However, there's a lot of good information in the article already, which is often the hard part. Let me know if you'd like more specific suggestions. — DroEsperanto (talk) 02:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) / Christian Church / church of Christ

The line "Butler University was founded by members of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)," is incorrect and should be changed to "Butler University was founded by members of the Christian Church / church of Christ. The Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) Denomination was not created until the middle of the 20th Century. Butler was founded by Ovid Butler a member of the Christian Church / church of Christ (there was no difference between the two names at the time) in 1855. Merely because the congregation where Ovid Butler attended became part of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)denomination a hundred years later does not make Ovid a member of the resulting organization. Professor Mac Waller was incorrect in his book about the history of Butler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.10.57.158 (talk) 19:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

The "Disciples of Christ" terminology was used as early as the 1830s. Please see McAlister & Tucker (1975) pages 27-28. In fact, Butler's second president, Samuel K. Hoshour converted to the "Disciples of Christ" church in 1834. See Butler University - Past Presidents. City boy77 (talk) 20:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

The "Disciples of Christ" as used by Alexander Campbell and the 20th Century "Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)" Denomination are not the same organization. In the reference above Samuel K. Hoshour converted to the "Disciples of Christ" church in 1834 not the "Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)". Perhaps the entry would be more historically correct to state "Butler University was founded by members of the Disciples of Christ," and leave out the reference to the modern "Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)" denomination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.10.57.158 (talk) 21:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't find any sources that indicate there is a difference between the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the "Disciples of Christ" church. Please provide credible sources for what you're arguing so that we can better understand. City boy77 (talk) 03:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

"Disciples of Christ." Dictionary of American History. 2003. Encyclopedia.com. 18 Feb. 2011 <http://www.encyclopedia.com>. "Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)." The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2008. Retrieved February 18, 2011 from Encyclopedia.com: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1E1-ChristChDC.html Modern Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) was not established until 1968.

That clears things up. Thanks! WP:BEBOLD City boy77 (talk) 17:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Additional comments - The biographical sketch of Ovid Butler, the university founder, says “The following year he designed a university plan, drafted a charter, and sold 20 acres of his own property to be the site of the Disciples of Christ school, North Western Christian University (now Butler University).” - Bodenhamer, D.J., and Barrows, R.G. (1994). "Ovid Butler" in The Encyclopedia of Indianapolis. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press. Page – 370 Note the school is described as a "Disciples of Christ school".

According to Madison Evans A.M (1862) ”Samuel K. Hoshour” in Biographical sketches of the pioneer preachers of Indiana. Philadelphia, PA:J. Challen & Sons – Samuel K. Hoshour, the first regularly appointed president of NWCU, is referred to as a follower of the “Disciples of Christ” and he and his wife members of the “Church of Christ” in Centreville, IN.

It is very clear these founders were not members of the "Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)" denomination but were members, who simpled referred to the church as the "Christian Church", "Disciples of Christ Church" or "Church of Christ" that were part of the Restoration Movement Llorracsemaj (talk) 12:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

This is not an article, it's a recruiting brochure

It's been prettied up to such an extent that it no longer resembles a Wikipedia article. The information is mostly sourced to the school's own publications, etc. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:01, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I removed a lot of excess detail and opinionated statements as well as the charts for each college. Unless there are other specific things you think should be changed, I will remove the POV and ADVERT tags tomorrow. City boy77 (talk) 15:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

John Doe/ Soodo Nym Libel case

It's been long enough this isn't a current event, and I think that a summary of the relevant events surrounding the dismissal of the music department chair and the libel suit against "John Doe" would be appropriate. I don't know how to do this in neutral POV. http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/10/16/butler http://www.tuftsdaily.com/butler-case-raises-freedom-of-speech-questions-1.2117196 http://www.academicfreedomjournal.org/VolumeTwo/Watts.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.98.4 (talk) 08:12, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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