Talk:Broadland (disambiguation)

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Requested move 2 January 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 21:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– No clear primary topic, the district has 327 views but constituency (though named after the district) has 339 and The Broads which the district is named after has 3,078[[1]]. The Broads appear to use both the singular and plural, the Ramsar name is "Broadland". The new name of the district is in accordance with WP:UKDISTRICTS "Non-metropolitan districts with local ambiguity depend on the district/borough status". This is similar to Fenland though there doesn't seem to be a completely generic meaning of "broadland(s)" though maybe one could exist though there isn't even anything at Wiktionary. If people want a separate DAB can be created for "Broadlands" but per WP:DABCOMBINE that's probably not needed though most uses are proper nouns so are less interchangeable. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Surely just a "not to be confused with" would suffice? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 20:55, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The district in Norfolk is singular; the house in Hampshire is plural. Both have hatnotes pointing at the dab page for the few folk who are confused. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:58, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are several other uses both in the singular and plural and as I pointed out Broadland (UK Parliament constituency) gets more views than Broadland. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:12, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question - "The Broads appear to use both the singular and plural" - what do you mean by that? I don't see the parallel with Fenland as there is no lowercase "broadland" to speak of, the OED only records capital-B Broadland. GraemeLeggett (talk) 09:03, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean that the Norfolk Broads can be called "Broadland" or "Broadlands" for example Cotswold redirects to Cotswolds. I agree with you in that it indeed appears unlike Fenland that there is no generic "broadland(s)" but at least per the views I cited there is no primary topic for the singular though there may be for the plural. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:12, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Must confess I've never heard of the Norfolk Broads being referred to as Broadland(s). Would not be appropriate as the broads referred to are bodies of water not areas of land.Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RIS calls it "Broadland", at least the Ramsar site. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:10, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's a very niche use of the term and calling it Broadland District would not be appropriate. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:51, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UKDISTRICTS says to use "X District" for districts without other status and the infobox already uses "Broadland District", see Breckland/Breckland District for a similar example which is consistent with WP:NATURAL and WP:COMMONNAME. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Broads aren't called Broadlands though. No-one refers to Broadlands, they'd refer to "the Broads'. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:41, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So perhaps we can agree on moving the singular only? Per the views there clearly isn't a primary topic for the singular. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Sorry, just realised I haven't formally voted. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The only thing that competes with the current use for primary topic is Broadland (UK Parliament constituency). 100% of the entries on the first six pages of google (search: Broadland -Wikipedia relate to Norfolk (or Norfolk and Suffolk) so arguing it's ambiguous with the Hampshire house is clearly incorrect. Only two of the results of the same Google search relate to the Norfolk Broads - a non-notable detective novel on page 4 and [2] on page 6 which is a factsheet about the catchment area of rivers that flow into the Norfolk Broads (i.e. much wider than the Norfolk Broads and not an area we have an article about). Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.