Talk:Britney Spears/Archive 17

Britney: Live in Concert / Piece of Me Tour

I believe the title should be Piece of Me Tour. This is how the show is selling since last year for the 2017 shows because is the same from residency. So I think the header name should be Piece of Me Tour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mb4422 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2021

Section related to Britney’s alleged post on Instagram should be removed. The post referred to, has not been verified as being authentic. Britney does not have access to social media, so posts attributed are false, unless confirmed in person. 220.235.114.131 (talk) 03:38, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. KyleJoan^talk 04:06, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Oops!...I Did It Again (Remixes and B-Sides)

Isn't there going to be an article about this compilation? I see the Glory article depicts this compilation as its successor, but there's no page for that. I was willing to start it, but I suppose Britney Spears related articles are monitored, so who is in charge of doing it? It's gonna be almost a year since it came out. Pokémon Spears (talk) 04:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Nothing can be done if it doesn't satisfy WP:NALBUMS. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 16:40, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2021

Please replace this main photo with a more current and flattering photo! 2603:8000:A300:194:58DD:F615:8350:2C0C (talk) 20:32, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Not a plausible request. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:36, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Separate article for FreeBritney

I feel there is more than enough material/coverage for FreeBritney to get its own article. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, especially now that Britney herself wants out. PF4Eva (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Looks like somebody just created an article. PF4Eva (talk) 05:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

The vague antecedent for a pronoun

From the article:

“Her paternal grandmother, Emma Jean Spears, committed suicide on the grave of her father's infant brother; when he was age 13.”

What in the world was that verbiage supposed to mean?

This involves the problem of the Vague Antecedent. “A pronoun should not have two possible antecedents in the same sentence.” See generally Madeline Semmelmeyer & Donald O. Bolander, The New Webster’s Grammar Guide, pp. 59-60 (Berkley Books, 1987).

The pronoun “Her” appears to refer to Britney Spears. That seems OK.

However, the verbiage indicates that Emma Jean Spears committed suicide on either the grave of Emma’s father’s infant brother, or on the grave of Britney’s father’s infant brother. The proper antecedent for the pronoun “her” is unclear.

The sentence goes on to say that this event occurred when “he” (presumably referring to either Emma’s father’s infant brother or Britney’s father’s infant brother) was “age 13.” If the person in question had a grave, that person presumably was dead and buried. We do not normally refer to a dead person as being “age 13” (or any other age) after the person is dead. Again, the proper antecedent for the pronoun “he” is unclear.

Perhaps the pronoun “he” was intended to refer to the father -- not to the father’s dead infant brother. If so, perhaps the article should read:

“Britney’s paternal grandmother, Emma Jean Spears, committed suicide on the grave of Emma’s father's infant brother; when Emma’s father was age 13.”

I’m not going to subscribe to the New York Times just to try to sort out what the heck the article is trying to say here.

Exactly what meaning was intended with the quoted material? Famspear (talk) 03:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Famspear (talk), you're completely right. I contributed to this and worded it badly. I will fix it. --Thelonggoneblues (talk) 04:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Famspear (talk) 12:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

• Though when he was 13 he wasn't Emma's father, presumably. EEng 23:01, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Personal Life

Spears dated Justin Timberlake from 1998-2002, after meeting on The Mickey Mouse Club. They made headlines after wearing matching denim outfits on the red carpet to the 2001 AMA.

In Jan. 2004, Spears married her childhood friend, Jason Alexander, in Vegas. The marriage was annulled 55 hours later.

Spears married Kevin Federline on October 6th 2004, after a three month courtship. Federline and Spears have two sons together, Sean Preston (born September 14, 2005) and Jayden James (born September 12, 2006). In 2005, the former couple starred in the reality television series Britney & Kevin: Chaotic. In Nov. 2006, Spears filed for divorce and was finalized July 2007. On July 26, 2008, Federline was granted sole legal and physical custody of the children with Spears having visitation rights, that has since been changed to 70-30. Federline receives an estimated $35,000 per month in child support.

In December 2011, Spears became engaged to her former agent and boyfriend of a year and half, Jason Trawick. In January 2013, Spears and Trawick broke-up.

Spears has been dating Sam Asghari since 2016, after meeting him on the set of of her music video "Slumber Party." — Preceding unsigned comment added by IMme4u09 (talk • contribs) 19:22, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

References

Regarding the conservatorship, there is now so much discussion, perhaps there should just be a section on that aspect alone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.193.59 (talk) 03:43, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2021

Appear to be errors in the section below: The court statement got widespread media coverage and generated over 1 million shares on twitter, over 500.000 messages using the tag #FreeBritney and more than 150.000 message with a new relevant relevant to the court date, #BritneySpeaks.[295][296] 80.2.49.151 (talk) 13:34, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:11, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2021

Change "his fiancée" to "her fiancée". The incorrect pronoun is used.

Trawick gained legal control of Spears as his fiancée and became a co-conservator, alongside her father, in April 2012.[165] Percula D (talk) 22:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done ––FORMALDUDE^(talk) 03:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Split conservatorship details into new article

With the ongoing news coverage, I suggest splitting the sections #2008–2010: Conservatorship and Circus and #2019–present: Conservatorship dispute, #FreeBritney, and abuse allegations into its own article, titled Conservatorship of Britney Spears. There is another article of the name Conservatorship of Wendland, however it's focus is about a court ruling. The Free Britney Movement article might be of use. SWinxy (talk) 06:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I was about to consider doing it myself had I not seen the template. At least two Senators who normally wouldn’t agree on anything have engaged on this subject because it will now domino effect almost all conservatorships. Trillfendi (talk) 14:03, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree.--Doric Loon (talk) 16:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Agreed as well, and think the Free Britney Movement article could be merged into and have its own section under the Conservatorship article. Akcvtt (talk) 19:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Unless it expands upon what is already in the article, I'm not sure. It fits pretty comfortably into the article. SecretName101 (talk) 15:26, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I have been working on a draft for a separate article concerning the conservatorship for a while now. Here's the link to it: Draft:Conservatorship dispute of Britney Spears. Indecisjon (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Your draft is very good. I suggest that you move it into mainspace or submit for review. Coretheapple (talk) 20:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

• Support: These sections are only going to grow. The conservatorship has taken on a life of its own and comfortably meets WP:GNG. I would move Free Britney movement to the proposed new article. Shoestringnomad (talk) 01:05, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Free Britney movement already chronicles the conservatorship as a whole outside of the movement. If you move the article to Conservatorship of Britney Spears and give the article a new lead section, it would work the same way. I think a lot of what's in this article (and Indecisjon's draft) fail WP:RECENTISM, WP:DUE, and WP:NOTNEWS (e.g., Us Weekly and TMZ are cited multiple times in both). While the rising interest in the conservatorship enhances its notability, not every development warrants inclusion (e.g., her court appearance generating "over 1 million shares on Twitter"). I don't think we're going to look back ten years from now and wonder how many tweets her testimony sparked. KyleJoan^talk 01:42, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support: Yes, very good idea. I was surprised to see that there was no separate article on this issue, as it has resulted in much serious debate. The "Free Britney Movement" article is insufficient. Coretheapple (talk) 20:07, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I've moved my draft into the mainspace — the article is now Conservatorship dispute of Britney Spears. Indecisjon (talk) 00:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm all for generating a seperate article, but the fact that it doeasn't warrant a major section in her article and a strong place in the lead smacks of scrubbing by the conservatorship itself. This is a huge part of her life, and this is her page. Please adapt your new page to the lead and a section. Thanks. Billyshiverstick (talk) 09:00, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Years active

Years active should show 1992-present. There is no question she started her career in 1992 and it has continued to this day, despite the conservatorship AlienChex (talk) 22:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I don’t know why anyone decided to hide it. There is no proof beyond hearsay that she "retired". Trillfendi (talk) 22:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

She has technically stopped working on her career offficially since January 4, 2019. Larry Rudolph made a public statement about this in 2019. But the debate is whether she is technically active, so 1992-present, as a result of her brand continuing without her or whether she is on indefinite hiatus (1992-2019). For example, One Direction did not retire, they went on indefinite hiatius, like Spears did in 2019. Rudolph reiterated his comments on his public statement retiring as her manager in July 2021, saying it had been 2 1/2 years since he spoke to Spears, who said she wanted to go on indefinite hiatus, which she has been on since Jan 2019. --Thelonggoneblues (talk) 23:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not here to do the math and figure out if she is still active or not. We go with published sources, and nobody in the media is describing her as "retired". There's only conjecture stirred up by statements made by Larry Rudolph. The media aren't buying what he's selling. That woman is not dead yet. Binksternet (talk) 02:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Leave it active until she sorts out the conservatorship and gets control of her life back. She still feels active, she's just stuck in a hard place. Billyshiverstick (talk) 09:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Attended Bela Karolyi's gymnastics camp

In her early life section we do mention briefly that she took up gymnastics in her youth. However, one, perhaps, noteworthy aspect of that we do not include is that she attended the training camp of of Bela Karolyi in her youth gymnastics. She had mentioned this herself in at least one talk show appearance in the past. I found a 1999 Newsweek article which reports that she attended it. https://www.newsweek.com/pops-sexy-teen-angel-169246 SecretName101 (talk) 14:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

This is good, just add it in yourself. Billyshiverstick (talk) 09:03, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Songwriter

No. I'm hoping a situation like that on Beyoncé's article (a very lengthy, months-long, heated debate) will be avoided. Britney Spears was described as a songwriter in the lead and infobox of this article for years, and there is no justification to remove that profession from both the lede and the infobox without any discussion nor consensus. 1. Britney Spears has over 70 songwriting credits[1] including one sole songwriting credit for the song 'Someday, I Will Understand' and Billboard-charting hits such as 'Everytime', 'Me Against the Music', 'Make Me...' and 'Work Bitch'. 2. Britney Spears has written songs for herself and other artists such as Selena Gomez and BoA. 3. Britney Spears was defined as a songwriter by major publications such as Rolling Stone[2], MTV[3], Digital Spy[4] and Billboard[5] 4. Britney's songwriting contribution may not be as extensive as some of her contemporaries, but what I've just listed shows sufficient notability for inclusion of "songwriter" in both the lede and infobox. If Spears had only co-written several songs like Céline Dion, it would be different, but that's not certainly not the case here.

OnMyRadar, TruthGuardians, TheWikiholic, castorbailey Bgkc4444, Binksternet, what do y'all think? Israell (talk) 08:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

The burden of proof to prove she isn’t a song writer is up to the editor who believes there’s not enough supporting evidence to suggest that it was added against a Wikipedia rule, to explain that rule, and convince other editors that that rule is being broken. To my knowledge, it has been there for a long time. For a long time the lead of the article remain stable, with no disruptive editing to remove the content. Though I may not think of Britney Spears as a songwriter, that doesn’t mean she is not one. That also does not mean millions of others don’t think of her as one. Until it is proven that it doesn’t belong, I’ll say WP:JustDropIt and keep the content that has stabilized the lead for a long time. TruthGuardians (talk) 12:34, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

If Beyonce has songwriter included so should Britney. There should be consistency across wiki. castorbailey (talk) 02:38, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2021

On September 7th 2021, Jamie filed a petition to the Los Angeles Superior Court to end the conservatorship https://news.sky.com/story/britney-spears-jamie-spears-files-to-end-stars-conservatorship-after-13-years-12401800 82.132.240.47 (talk) 01:13, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:41, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2021 (4)

I want to fix this article because someone erased a word. 2604:3D08:367D:5D00:F51F:C910:EAFF:A05D (talk) 01:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. You need to be specific about what change you are asking for. RudolfRed (talk) 01:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

edit request: fix typo

At the end of the second sentence of the last paragraph of this section,
please change

a Instagram post.

to

an Instagram post.

Two sentences later, is the phrase editors list possibly supposed to be editor's list or editors' list?

Thanks. --96.244.220.178 (talk) 10:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:57, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Does a woman's fiancée have legal control over her in the US of A?

The article currently has the sentence:

"Trawick gained legal control of Spears as her fiancée"

Is it the case that in the US of A a woman's fiancée has legal control over her?

If not, what is this sentence trying to say and can it be reworded to actually say it?

Certainly not in this century. I’ll go check it out. Trillfendi (talk) 22:29, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

TMZ Articles

Guys, I heard that the media is lying to the public about Jamie’s so-called “decision to step down.” Apparently, he didn’t actually step down. Apparently, he petitioned for the court deny any possible suspension. Joyasaxena21 (talk) 08:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Whom are you addressing when you say, "Guys"? Male readers only? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.190.42 (talk) 07:07, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Britney Spears amount of records (100 vs. 150 million)

So, I have seen two claims on the wiki page, that continously get edited on and off. Both claims use Billboard as a source, but the one claiming 150 million (see here, also used by Forbes as the other editor put in) is actually talking about a number, while the other source (see here) does not even state the 100 million. Sadly, the editor OnMyRadar does not explain the deletion at all, and just kicks it out. I would like to know what the decision making is in this case? Dionysos1993 (talk) 08:42, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2021

edit semi-protected|Britney Spears|answered=no}} Hi can we change this pic please ? 78.147.244.223 (talk) 23:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Comment

At a mere 14,000 words seems a bit thin. ;-) – Sca (talk) 13:47, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2021

Piano should be added to her instruments, she has composed music herself. She wrote Everytime while playing melodies on the piano TheCourteousKurtWiki (talk) 23:16, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Add piano to her instruments section TheCourteousKurtWiki (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. She has to be known for the piano for it to be included in the infobox. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Years active

Not sure why there is a hidden note which indicates this is disputed but no active discussion that I have come across. It clearly says her first professional role was in the off Broadway play Ruthless! which was opened in 1992. Tinton5 (talk) 07:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

• Add 1992-present: The question, as I understand it, is whether she is still active. We on Wikipedia reflect what media sources say, and there's no shortage of outlets writing that she is still planning to make music or that she is working on new music. See https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/23/entertainment/britney-spears-new-music/index.html for just one example. You'll find similar reports on Billboard and more. Shoestringnomad (talk) 07:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to be bold and add it, since various sources which indicate she will be making new music, including this one, and this. I think we can agree she is still in the lime light in various media appearances and interviews. Tinton5 (talk) 06:02, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn’t be surprised if “She’s going to retire once the conservatorship ends" was conservator propaganda. Like sure, she might’ve sought the serenity and peace but also she finally is out from under such strict stuff and can do her music freely now? I trust Britney knew this and looks forward to getting back out there. Her Vegas residency would’ve been right for her at that time whether she had the conservatorship or not, but under it it felt like a playpen (I know how it looks but I swear this is about her position to make new music and remain active)--CreecregofLife (talk) 06:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Smayer17.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 16:17, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs § TopHit. The matter seeking consensus is the use of TopHit.ru as a source for song release dates. Thank you, Heartfox (talk) 04:50, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Jean Spears

Choose please one surname. --5.43.74.120 (talk) 12:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Please clarify what you mean. Shoestringnomad (talk) 01:50, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Book Deal?

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4737297/britney-spears-biggest-book-deal-ever-15m-payday-conservatorship/ https://pagesix.com/2022/02/21/britney-spears-set-to-write-tell-all-in-15-million-book-deal/

Is this accurate? MichaelFansz (talk) 17:37, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2022

I am requesting that the main picture from 2013 is changed to this 2002 VMA picture

https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5e82456679d3fb0008ca2e08/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/britney-spears-2002-vmas-lede.jpg Lauraserra0901 (talk) 05:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done. Typically, the main biography photo is the latest available shot, as long as it is properly composed to serve as the top identifier of the person. After a person dies is when we start looking for a photo of them at their prime. Binksternet (talk) 07:09, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

And even then, we don’t have to change it to in their prime.--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:57, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the current photo. Trillfendi (talk) 19:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested edit 24 Feb 2022

I request that the main picture should be changed to a picture more recent, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Britney_Spears,_Roundhouse,_London_(Apple_Music_Festival_2016)_(30072929931)_(cropped).jpg.

Since this picture is already in her 2016-2017 section, I think it should be replaced with this picture; https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Britney-Spears-Vegas-July-13-2016.jpg.

Christiancore (talk) 09:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Christiancore: Semi protected edit requests are only for editors who aren't autoconfirmed. You're autoconfirmed. I'd recommend getting a consensus here and then making the change. Thanks and have a nice day :) --Ferien (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

How do get a consensus? Christiancore (talk) 17:48, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:Request for comment. That's one way to do it, the most formal way. Binksternet (talk) 18:14, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

RfC on main picture

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The picture shouldn't be changed to what was proposed.

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Should the main picture of this article be changed to the following image that is more recent?: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Britney_Spears,_Roundhouse,_London_(Apple_Music_Festival_2016)_(30072929931)_(cropped).jpg Christiancore (talk) 20:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

• No, most recent ≠ most suitable. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 21:35, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
• No, it might be more recent, but it’s still 6 years ago and a relatively negligible difference between it and the incumbent. I also don’t feel like a performance pic should be the one in the box--CreecregofLife (talk) 21:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

No, the mic is obstructing her face in this picture. Coolcactus04 (talk) 22:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

No She looks similar in both photos (hairstyle, etc.), but the current photo doesn't have the mic in front of her face and is of higher quality. Some1 (talk) 02:17, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

No, her microphone is in the way of her mouth and the image already on the page is good enough. SlySabre (talk) 03:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

No First of all, the microphone makes the pic look really goofy. Second of all, I could maybe understand the need to have a more recent picture if the article currently used some picture from 1998, but there's only three years between the two pictures so there really is absolutely no point. PraiseVivec (talk) 13:28, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

No Firstly, it wouldn't improve the quality of the BLP, and secondly, the picture appears to be oddly blurry WP:IMAGESWritethisway (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

No 3 years doesn't make much difference in practice, plus there's the mic, as already mentioned. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:33, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2022

Hi. Britney Spears signature DOES NOT look that way... 24.102.143.250 (talk) 05:56, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Do you have a source? Are you requesting us to remove it? I do know that Mark Hamill and David Prowse would verify authenticity of signatures presented to them on Twitter, but Britney hasn’t quite used her social media in that way. Granted she hasn’t had control for very long… still, I’m not sure what you want us to do CreecregofLife (talk) 06:27, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:27, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Actress?

Is she still an actress? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clrichey (talk • contribs) 03:52, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Why should'nt she be? Her last acting credit in a tv series was in 2015, so there is no reason to exclude anything, if that is your intention. Dionysos1993 (talk) 22:17, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

The Crash

Why are we allowing her ex to hijack a section of her article? Alexander’s crashing is being given so much undue weight with the inclusion of a quote and everything--CreecregofLife (talk) 19:40, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

New section in biography?

Since Spears' conservatorship was terminated and she's now in a new stage of her life (third marriage, upcoming memoir) should we separate the current era in her biography by ending the conservatorship section in 2021 and name 2022-present with her upcoming memoir and third marriage?

Christiancore (talk) 23:17, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I think so. I was starting to get concerned that everything post-conservatorship would remain in the section it ended, which would be excessive. I’m still trying to figure out a split for Bob Saget, whose final bio section spans twenty years CreecregofLife (talk) 23:22, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2022

Britney Spears is a songwriter Z hey9181 (talk) 14:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 14:25, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Add education

She graduated from the University of Nebraska High School... 174.115.12.230 (talk) 00:37, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Oops!...I Did It Again (Remixes and B-Sides)

Last year I brought the request to create a page for this compilation album released in 2020, to which someone responded it didn't meet the WP:NALBUMS criteria. But it turns out the album did chart on the Billboard 200 list at the #165th position, doesn't that count? Source If you check the Billboard History Page, it also appeared on Top/Dance Electronic albums, Top Albums Sales, Top Current Album Sales, Tastemaker Albums and Vinyl Albums charts. Pokémon Spears (talk) 02:59, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

View source for Britney Spears

Britney Jean Spears is an American singer,songwrter,and actress

Done. Dionysos1993 (talk) 13:59, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Why was this removed? She has multiple songwriting credits... 174.115.12.230 (talk) 06:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@174.115.12.230, Dionysos1993, and Theknine2: Because of the perception some have of her, regardless of the facts. I’ve just corrected this. Per my edit summary: "This was discussed before, and there is too much yo-yoing in this regard. Spears has 75 songwriting credits, incl. 7 songs on her most recent studio album, 'Glory', and she has one sole songwriting credit for the single ‘Someday (I Will Understand)’. For comparison, Billie Eilish has 86 songwriting credits (all co-written), only 11 more songs, and she’s considered a songwriter. Ava Max has about 40 credits and is considered a songwriter. Besides, the article mentions Spears’ development as such."

Not only this was removed from the lead, this was removed from the infobox without any prior discussion. As evidenced by an endless discussion pertaining to Beyoncé’s article ([6], [7][8]), way too much time is spent and wasted on Wikipedia debating such matter when that time could be spent adding content to Wikipedia. If the article mentions the artist’s songwriting process and development, and the artist does indeed have songwriting as part of their regular craft, even if they only write a third of their material, then they are indeed a songwriter and it's notable enough. If, on the other hand, they barely have two or five songwriting credits or so like Whitney Houston or Céline Dion, then it may be preferable to omit that title altogether from both the lead and infobox.

And finally, for those who would bring up playing an instrument, Britney plays the piano, but that is not a prerequisite to be a songwriter. For example, it is possible to create melodies and sing them to an instrumentalist who then plays and arranges music from those melodies. One can sing a melody into a microphone, and then convert one’s voice into MIDI notes and compose music that way. One’s voice is an instrument. And goes without saying, one can author lyrics without playing any instrument at all, and a lyricist is a songwriter—so is a topline writer who authors lyrics and creates vocal melodies after the instrumental was composed. Israell (talk) 12:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Surrogacy

If Radar Online is RS, can this be used? Kailash29792 (talk) 05:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Radar Online is a gossip website. Even if this is true I don’t think it would be relevant unless and until she actually has or is expecting a child by surrogate. January (talk) 11:29, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

source

Lot of depth here at vulture on the father. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 10:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2022

Under [[9]]Change "Lynne asked family friend and entertainment lawyer" to "Lynne asked entertainment lawyer".

The source provided for calling Larry Rudolph a family friend is misquoted.

"In June 1997, Spears was in talks with manager Lou Pearlman to join the female pop group Innosense. Lynne asked family friend and entertainment lawyer Larry Rudolph for his opinion and submitted a tape of Spears singing over a Whitney Houston karaoke song along with some pictures." Ghoulia2 (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Not sure Thanks for your attention to detail. Unfortunately, I do not have access to the source in question. Can someone verify what it says on p. 145? Actualcpscm (talk) 17:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done I found a way to access the source. As far as I could tell, the source does not support the claim that Rudolph was a "family friend", at least in 1997. It should be noted that he became Spears' manager in 1998, after the Innosense talks. I will implement your edit, thanks for the request! Actualcpscm (talk) 13:29, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

atheist?

Britney Spears wrote in her instagram page, pray every day with cross sign how she become atheist by this? 2607:FEA8:4BDF:94CB:1111:1499:BA53:1559 (talk) 17:28, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Yo-Yo/POV Edits

@OnMyRadar, Calebh12, and Carlos BCN: This was discussed before, and there is too much yo-yoing in this regard. Spears has 75 songwriting credits (mostly album tracks), incl. 7 songs on her most recent studio album 'Glory', hits such as 'Me Against the Music', 'Everytime', 'Work Bitch', 'Perfume' and 'Make Me...', the French single 'Anticipating', and she has one sole songwriting credit for the single ‘Someday (I Will Understand)’. For comparison, Billie Eilish has 86 songwriting credits (all co-written), only 11 more songs, and she’s considered a songwriter. Ava Max has about 40 credits and is considered a songwriter. Besides, the article mentions Spears’ development as such. Editors have no issue w/ this occupation listed for years, but one comes along and remove it without any discussion nor consensus. It's annoying, and it disturbs and misleads the article. Israell (talk) 23:50, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

"Radio Blacklist"

This article makes no mention of the infamous alleged "blacklist" of her songs from normal rotation on radio stations owned by Clear Channel that happened in the early 2000s around the time of her Britney album. See https://web.archive.org/web/20031225154847/https://www.house.gov/berman/newsroom/clear_channel_letter.html for a court document about this incident. BowiePro (talk) 21:31, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Her second album gains a record for her debut sales? Doesn't debut mean the first?

Query under the "1998–2000: ...Baby One More Time and Oops!... I Did It Again" section where it says:

"Oops!... I Did It Again, Spears's second studio album, was released in May 2000. It debuted at number one in the US, selling 1.3 million copies, breaking the Nielsen SoundScan record for the highest debut sales by any solo artist."

I don't understand how her second album could break the Nielsen Soundscan record for the highest DEBUT sales by any solo artist. If it's her second album than it's not her debut album or her debut sales. Is there some way to clarify this because to me it reads as conflicting information.

Tzali (talk) 03:09, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

The section states debut sales numbers of the album (the first week where it charts). This is not the same as the debut album of her career. 2A02:908:890:FFC0:0:0:0:49AB (talk) 16:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@Tzali Debut as in first week BowiePro (talk) 07:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Name change?

Didn't she recently legally change her name to River Red? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.215.203.112 (talk) 19:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

She changed her Instagram name, and said she changed her name (Never specified if it was a legal change). I don't think that's enough for us to make any significant changes. UpdateWindows (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2023

Hi can you please unblock so everyone can edit 60.241.100.202 (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

If you want to request removing the protection on this page, you may do so at WP:RFPP. The page has been subject to edit warring and disruption in the past. RudolfRed (talk) 02:44, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2023 (2)

Update the page photo to a more recent picture; current image is 10 years old. Dcxbabe (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please provide an image with an acceptable license. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Italian lineage

I have read somewhere that Britney Spears has Italian ancestry, with some sources claiming her maternal grandfather had Maltese ancestry, while others claim her maternal grandparents were Italian. Can someone at least mention this in the article about her having Italian ancestry? Spears is a very English sounding name, so if anyone can confirm Britney having Italian ancestry, please let me know or at least put it in the article. (2601:C6:8480:1F10:5448:FFA1:13DA:A1D8 (talk) 13:27, 14 March 2023 (UTC))

wP:BLP. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:23, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Removing a source

Someone has recently removed ‘songwriter’ from Britney’s introduction title. They believe she isn’t a songwriter when she is. She wrote over 90 of her songs & was an executive producer on “Blackout”. Angelic2000s (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2023

On Tik tok in 2021 Brittany's fans were saying quote: "If you need help wear yellow in a video", a day later Brittany wore yellow, after people started doing this for some time and she wore the color they asked of her they started to get worried and ended up trying to help her. MeamIamCam (talk) 15:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 16:17, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2023

Please change the picture used for Britney, it’s outdated. Maybe use the 2016 photoshoot one, that is also used as her Spotify header! Thank you. 109.245.36.209 (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Hi! Pictures on Wikipedia need to comply with the image use policy, which means they need to be freely available without licensing restrictions. There is only a limited selection of image files that can be uploaded; you can find them at Wikimedia Commons. If you have a suitable image, you can upload it; see WP:UPI. I checked, and it looks like there is currently no suitable image there that would be more recent than the current one. Actualcpscm (talk) 19:55, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2023 (2)

Change the biography picture to a more recent picture of Britney Spears, such as a picture from her 2016 'Glory' photoshoot or something from a recent appearance as this picture is outdated and does not accurately reflect Britney Spears. Karinethefiaqueen (talk) 23:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Hello Karinethefiaqueen, and welcome to Wikipedia! Wikipedia is obligated to adhere to copyright law, and thus we are restricted in what photos we may or may not use. Specifically, they need to be a free license. While we could make a fair use argument to use a non-free photo of Britney, policy dictates we use free alternatives when available. Since the current photo (File:Britney Spears 2013 (Straighten Crop).jpg) falls under a free license, we prefer it over non-free photos. This is the reason why a lot of photos on Wikipedia appear to be outdated in relation to their subject.

You are more than welcome to suggest the usage of another image (provided it is freely licensed), though you will need to start a discussion on this page and generate consensus. The edit request process precludes requests which may be controversial and contested, and since changing the biography photo of a well known living person is a highly prominent and visible change, many patrollers classify it as contentious de facto. If you'd like to avoid this you can wait until you meet the autoconfirmed criteria and simply change the image yourself, though you'll be responsible for adhereing to all relevant guidelines when doing so.

Happy editing! —Sirdog (talk) 23:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2023

Change the photo to something current and sexy 2607:FEA8:2E1A:6F00:65D7:63A:5B7:7CF3 (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 21:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Once that is over can we change it something iconic like her MTV 2001 performance with a Python? That was so iconic my guy! LimeSheep14 (talk) 22:09, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

We can only include images that are released under a Free Licence. Unless you have an image that you took, or can find sombody who's released one, we'll be stuck with images currently on commons (see C:Category:Britney Spears). Cakelot1 (talk) 22:33, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Infobox picture

Would this image be suitable as an infobox picture? It's a more recent photo, it's of high resolution, and her face is not obstructed. Using photos of similar artists like Taylor Swift, Doja Cat (though she could definitely use a better photo)(found a significantly better photo, wasn't hard to find) and Charli XCX as reference for onstage infobox photos. Open to opinions. Theknine2 (talk) 17:53, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

That image is incredibly unflattering. While Spears does have more recent onstage photos available in the commons, none of them are significantly newer, and more importantly, none of them are more professional looking for an encyclopedia article than the current 2013 image. Breaktheicees (talk) 22:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. The current image is the best one now available. Wes sideman (talk) 13:50, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2023

NEW PICTURES ARE NEEDED 178.148.12.54 (talk) 18:52, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done No specific edit has been requested. -- Whpq (talk) 19:55, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Why no 'personal life' section in the article?

For an article on a celebrity this large, why is there no 'personal life' section? Is it the policy of wikepedia to only allow puff pieces created by fans, or isn't the purpose of an encyclopedia to provide balanced detailed information, concisely, and correctly? 47.150.246.207 (talk) 20:56, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

This is one of those articles where her personal life aspects are integrated into her career instead of being a separate section. This is unusual but when someone is as famous as Britney Spears this happens in their articles. Look at Madonna as another example. Trillfendi (talk) 21:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2023

thumb 2603:8090:0:9499:FCD4:13C2:F477:D65B (talk) 18:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 19:20, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2023

Death: Sadly murdered by her own family 2A00:23C7:5816:8A01:B8FC:A901:801D:6434 (talk) 15:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 16:04, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Removed

The surname is Portelli, not Portell

source, Times of Malta 2.237.220.21 (talk) 11:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2023

Britney was assaulted by Victor Wembanyama's bodyguard at a club in early July. Please add to article.

Sources:

• New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/06/sports/basketball/britney-spears-victor-wembanyama-security.html
• ESPN: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37971056/spurs-victor-wembanyama-describes-security-incident-britney-spears
• The Atlantic: https://theathletic.com/4672147/2023/07/06/victor-wembanyama-security-britney-spears/
• USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2023/07/06/britney-spears-slap-spurs-player-victor-wembanyama-security-guard/70387800007/
• CBS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/britney-spears-victor-wembanyama-security-guard-response-spurs/
• Los Angeles Times: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-07-06/britney-spears-battery-victor-wembanyama-las-vegas

2603:3000:60:4100:C9AE:AA8B:3DB6:EA89 (talk) 16:12, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Sources don't support a factual statement that he "assaulted" her; Spears claims that he did. Police declining to file charges indicates that there was no assault. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 14:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

All of those sources either directly confirm that Spears was not assaulted, or question her account. The incident should be in the article, but not as an assault on her. It should be mention as her claim to have been assaulted, and that her claim was refuted by witnesses and the Las Vegas police. 2001:5B0:2B41:C708:4852:E259:998E:A51 (talk) 16:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2023

The profile photo of Britney is 10 years old. I'd recommend updating it to the more recent one from her Octber 2023 People Magazine photoshoot:

File:Britney-spears-people-1-7092240e8e544a56b51dc064d527dbfe.webp

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Britney-spears-people-1-7092240e8e544a56b51dc064d527dbfe.webp Ballseyedoptimist (talk) 21:37, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: I believe the file doesn't have a free license and its copyright belongs to the People magazine, so it can't be hosted on Commons. It also doesn't meet all the criteria of WP:NFCCP, specifically criteria 1 and 8, so fair use hosting on Wikipedia itself isn't allowed either. Liu1126 (talk) 22:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2023

Please change "Spears has sold about 150 million records worldwide, including over 70 million in the United States" to "Spears has sold over 100 million records in the United States alone, while selling about 150 million albums and 160 million singles worldwide". Source: Billboard/RIAA. Ludovico Avellino (talk) 08:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2023

RIAA has recently updated britney’s US certifications, over 100M sold in the USA. 76.64.126.242 (talk) 04:52, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. GoingBatty (talk) 16:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Request to change the Mississippi portal at the bottom to the Louisiana Portal.

Regardless if she was born in Mccomb Mississippi she grew up in Kentwood Louisiana and she has almost no connection to the state of Mississippi. 76.68.71.190 (talk) 03:41, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Website link inactive

I don't think her britney.com website is used anymore as it doesn't seem to have been updated since 2016; I think only her britneyspears.com website is currently active. 70.50.103.213 (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

that is because the company that owned that domnain, Britney Brands Inc (which was owned wholly by jamie spears) was absorbed by Baby One More Mark in 2021 after her conservatorship was declared null and void, the new holding companies Baby One More Mark LLC (established in 2018 due to the trump administration rolling back woman's rights) and Britney Online (which owns the rights to her social media accounts and was established as a safeguard, so that if BOMM got bought out, the new owners would not be able to use her social media accounts for unauthorised purposes, which could cause her brand to appear untrustworthy to investors) that owns the rights to her work and does not own the britney.com domain (which is abandoned and due to be deleted by 2029), it chose to keep the britneyspears.com domain only as it is easier than having to maintain 2 separate domains for the same entity 80.47.79.193 (talk) 18:14, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

"...the best-selling teenage artist of all time." But "time" isn't over!

With no disrespect to Britney Spears intended, "time" hasn't ended, and until it does it would be more appropriate, and more in compliance with Wikipedia's editorial tone, to say that she is "...the best-selling teenage artist to date."

Rolling Stone magazine has perpetrated numerous "Greatest [fill in the blank] of All Time" lists in recent years -- presumeably for the purpose of generating publicity. These lists certainly do not cover "all time." Who knows what the future holds? Consider, for example, that if Rolling Stone had made a list of the "Greatest Guitarists of All Time" in 1980 it would almost certainly have not included Stevie Ray Vaughan, that if Rolling Stone had made a list of the "Greatest Guitarists of All Time" in 1970 it would not have included Eddie Van Halen, that a list of the "Greatest Guitarists of All Time" made in 1960 would not include Jimi Hendrix or Eric Clapton, that a list of the "Greatest Guitarists of All Time" made in 1950 would not include Chuck Berry, and so on back in time.

An inherent problem with all "Greatest Guitarists of All Time" lists is that to compile a true list of "Greatest Guitarists of All Time" list it would necessary to hear every guitarist who ever played the instrument -- from the inventor of the instrument hundreds of years aga and forward to the last person to play the instrument before time/the universe ends -- and also be familiar with every style and technique ever used to play the instrument, and then be able to objectively judge the every guitarist's skill within their chosen genre of guitar technique.

Consider B.B. King, Andrés Segovia, Django Reinhardt, Jimi Hendrix, and Led Kaapana, to name five guitarists recognized as masters of their individual genres. Judged by their command of the genre they play, rather than by their record sales or concert gross receipts, how can it be said that one is "greater" than the others?

Rolling Stone "Greatest [fill in the blank] of All Time" lists are more accurately described as pretentious compilation lists of the favorite [fill in the blank] of the people who have been invited to contribute to the list -- and, by default, compiled only from the cohort of [fill in the blank] that they are familiar with.

Who's to say that there isn't someone out there they don't know about who plays some genre of guitar music with greater skill than any of the guitarists they know of and like?

Getting back to Britney, record sales are not a matter of personal opinion, but until "time" ends it is more appropriate, and more in compliance with Wikipedia's editorial tone, to say that she is "...the best-selling teenage artist to date. 2603:800C:3A40:6400:D173:C631:ECB8:95 (talk) 20:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

LCD Soundystem collab

I added this at some point, but it was removed:

In 2003, Spears worked with the electronic musician James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem, but the collaboration was unsuccessful. A track from their collaboration was leaked online in 2006.

What is the consensus here, is this too small fry to include? Popcornfud (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

No response here, so I'm restoring it for now. Popcornfud (talk) 19:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Popcornfud, I see no real reason to include that information. It was an unsuccessful collaboration; they worked on some songs and none were included on her albums. It does not really seem significant or notable in the scope of her life and career. If every single collaborator she has ever worked with was to be mentioned in this article, it would probably double in length. Melonkelon (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't feel strongly about it, so if the consensus is not to include it, I can live with that. Popcornfud (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

References

Pictures

I am changing britney s picture browse into my user talk page so i can revert my changes Rile lebz (talk) 10:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)