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Camembert

I've lived in Ile de France for 30 years and have never heard of anyone eating brie soaked in coffee in the morning. I guess this is outdated.

Yes this seems really outdated. I have not however read the book cited, but I have yet to encounter anyone who would not be puzzled by the idea. There even was a pretty big french comedy using the gag that people in the Nord department (the most northern France department) eat cheese in their coffee (and the main character is of course disgusted by it). But in Île-de-France ? I do believe that if someone was to joke that Parisians eat brie for breakfeast, he would only get puzzled looks. I'm changing the article to reflect that.

Camembert

I read a week ago in (I am almost certain) Cheese Primer by Steve Jenkins that brie and camembert are made with the same recipe just in different regions and in different sizes. I added a "See also" section to both pages mentioning the other cheese; can anyone find a citation indicating that the two are, essentially, the same cheese? —BenFrantzDale 21:56, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

In my experience they are different cheeses, although similar. 128.232.250.254 23:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

All cheeses are the same except for the things that make them different. Being made in different sizes and in locations with different microflora probably affects the final product significantly. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

From what I gather from the Camembert discussion page, camembert can only be made with raw milk, and it is an aged cheese, whereas brie is a younger cheese. MMetro 01:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I would doubt that very much since food laws around the world ban or restrict severeky the sale of raw milk products, yet I can buy Camembert just fine. As to the difference between them, you would have to read up on or experience firsthand how they are made, but they are different. Ripened camembert is almost a beige, yellow liquid inside, "drawing" like fondue. Ripened brie may exceed the legislations against ammonia in the air but is still a bland "rubber" inside, if somewhat more creamy. --88.74.184.116 (talk) 11:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

French here. You can actually both buy raw milk and pasteurized (longer conservation, but matures more slowly and weaker taste) version of both cheese, and both can be eaten pretty young (more solid, weaker taste) or ripe.

Australia

Un-pastuerised cheeses are now permitted to be imported into Australia. In fact I had some Roquefort with my tea tonight.

Can it ever go bad?

If you just stick it in the fridge, will it ever go bad? Lengis 21:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Why wouldn't it? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Well the fact that they have to age it for a few weeks gives me the impression that the longer it ages, the better it becomes......... Lengis 04:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

It's a curve. Allow me to quote McGee's On Food and Cooking, my favorite book (p 61):

"Cheeses have lives: they begin young and bland, they mature into fullness of character, and they eventually decay into harshness and coarseness. The life of a moist cheese like Camembert is meteoric, its prime come and gone in weeks, while the majority of cheeses peak at a few months, and a dry Comté or Parmesan slowly improves over a year or more."

So Brie, like Camembert, has a short window when it is at its best... as for how it specifically goes "bad", I believe pretty soon the wrong molds, or just too much of the right molds take root and turn it funky. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

How could you let such good cheese sit around for that long anyways? 74.110.71.97 21:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

being uncut, and stored in a dark cool place untouched by human hands Markthemac 17:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Since points from the wheel are relative small, leftovers kept in the fridge usually dry out and becomes hard and unpleasant to eat before severe molding (other than the same white as the skin) occurs. Still fine for making a tosti though. I love it on (nonrisen) rye bread. 88.159.71.34 (talk) 10:17, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Brie de Meaux illegal in the US

This article should note that Brie de Meaux is illegal to import and sell in the US due to being unpasturized. A distintion between raw milk Brie (such as Brie de Meaux) and pasturized brie I think should be made, there is most certainly a huge difference. Russeasby 21:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

very strange, because the way the cheese is made it's impossible for anything else to survive the fabrication process. Markthemac 17:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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Somerset Brie

I would like this page to include info on Somerset Brie, which, according to its packet, is made in Lubborns Creamery. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Picture

The Brie de Meaux that has been photographed for this article is horribly under-ripe. Note the near-solid chalky core. I feel sorry for the person who cut into this cheese. It's so sad that such a noble cheese is being represented by such an awful image. Anyone got a picture of a nice ripe Brie to add? Robotforaday (talk) 22:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

How about one of these? Both appear to have suitable licenses. Brie De Meux Brie fondant aux pommes et sirop d'érable Qwfp (talk) 07:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... at a second look I think that second one's actually a Camembert. (Photographer is Quebecois, so it's not surprising if he doesn't understand French culture ;-) Qwfp (talk) 07:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Remove Recipes?

I see the recipes section has been added to a number of cheeses by a user on 174.6.185.59, links to off-site recipes seems a little redundant and non-encyclopedic, and since all recipes come from the same site it smells like spam to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.146.111 (talk) 22:09, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

French Atlantic government?

What is the "French Atlantic government"? Google only finds this page and another page quoting this page for this term. I have removed it and think it at least needs a reference before it is re-added.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 10:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Is this a dangling modifier?

The opening of this article says that Brie "is a soft cow's cheese". Is this not an example of a dangling subordinate clause? Any one who reads this might now think that it comes from cows that are soft! I am not really aware of how to rephrase this so as to avoid this dangling modifier. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Easy fix: cow cheese, without the apostrophe and s. Think goat cheese. Jeez!81.178.147.64 (talk) 13:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

... even better: "cow's-milk cheese". The cheese is made from cow's milk, not from cows, and I agree that the cheese doesn't belong to the cows. Dbfirs 10:40, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

... How about "soft cheese, made from cows milk" ? Roxy the dog. bark 15:04, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

That's fine. Go ahead and make the change if you don't like hyphenated adjectives. Dbfirs 23:39, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

French English?

I've been very amused by the tag team edit warring, in which I've played a passive part, about the LANGVAR we should use on this page. I'm rooting for the proper version, obviously, but we should come to some conclusion, and part friends before Xmas, don't you think? Roxy the dog. bark 14:46, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Since the article has no affiliations with either spelling convention, the Wikipedia policy is to retain the original spelling, and (unfortunately for us on this side of the Pond and Channel,) I think that used American spelling. The editor who was edit warring has been blocked. We certainly don't want Franglais! Dbfirs 23:39, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you entirely, having just discovered that the American spelling of Mould is Mold for both the pertinent meanings. Makes me want to bark loudly and chase my tail. I checked yesterday to see which came first, and from day one, it was moldy. Roxy the dog. bark 00:04, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

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Scare quotes around "brie"

In the "International bries" section, we have

• Brazilian "brie"
• Ireland produces various "brie" cheeses

But for the rest of the international bries there are no scare quotes. Is there a reason for this? --185.20.212.44 (talk) 19:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Most but not all cheeses have quotes. The quotes are warranted because the cheeses are not actually Bries. In the case of New Zealand, the cheese is called 'brie style'. Since this is correct, no quotes are needed. UK cheeses are named cheese such as Cornish Brie and Cenarth Brie. No claim is made that they are 'Brie' brie so no warning quotes are needed. Further since UK was a member of EU (and is still legally and economically bound) any cheese that is described as brie-like must be a real honest brie cheese. Other countries have laxer laws and just about any soft cheese with a white rind could be sold as 'brie'. OrewaTel (talk) 22:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

The entire International bries section seems pointless to me. Brie is just a style of cheese which is manufactured across the world, just like cheddar cheese. Brie is not a protected designation under EU law. It is made by everyone from tiny artisanal producers to international giants. It gives no useful information to list a random selection of creameries and food companies which make and sell brie. --Ef80 (talk) 15:13, 12 January 2022 (UTC)