Talk:Booted eagle

Aquila or Hieraaetus?

I'm trying to find good sources for the claim that H. pennatus has been re-assigned to A. pennata.

I don't have any access to Collision (2006); whilst both Bunce et al. (2005) and Lerner & Mindell (2005) found H. pennatus to be related to H. morphnoides.

Encyclopedia of Life (http://eol.org/pages/915252/names) only lists 5 sources using A. pennata and 25 using H. pennatus, so current usage is strongly in favour of Hieraaetus.

Pelagic (talk) 23:47, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Clements

According to Avibase [1], Clements Checklist changed from H. pennatus to A. pennata in the 2001 revisions to the 5th edition, and reverted to H. pennatus in the 2009 revisions to the 6th edition.

The 2009 change can be confirmed at http://www.birds.cornell.edu/clementschecklist/updateindex/dec09overview/dec09/

Note that A. wahlbergi, A. pennata, A. morphnoides (incl. A. m. weiskei), and A. ayresii are all moved to Hieraaetus. A. kienerii "should be placed in the monotypic genus Lophotriorchis"

H. m. weiskei was elevated to species H. weiskei in the 2012 revisions. http://www.birds.cornell.edu/clementschecklist/updateindex/sep12overview/sept12/

Pelagic (talk) 19:35, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Mebs & Schmidt

Found a couple of pages that cite Mebs & Schmidt:

http://www/europeanraptors.org/raptors/booted_eagle.html says "The Booted Eagle was placed in the Genus Hieraaetus but is now placed in the Genus Aquila by many sources incl. [Mebs & Schmidt 2006]." and cites the source as "[Mebs & Schmidt 2006] Mebs, Theodor & Schmidt, Daniel (2006). Die Greifvögel Europas, Nordafrikas und Vorderasiens. Kosmos Verlag."

http://andalucianguides.blogspot.com.au/2010/06/booted-eagle-aquila-pennata.html also draws some information from Mebs & Schmidt, and uses the name A. pennata rather than H. pennatus.

Pelagic (talk) 04:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

GRIN

This quote from Global Raptor Information Network: (http://globalraptors.org/grin/SpeciesResults.asp?specID=8351)

"Taxonomy: The study by Helbig et al. (2005), using DNA sequences from one mitochondrial and two nuclear genes, indicated that the smaller Hieraaetus species, including H. ayresii, H. morphnoides, and H. pennatus, form a monophyletic group with H. (Aquila) wahlbergi as their sister. The majority of raptor systematists (e.g., Wink and Sauer-Gürth 2004, Gjershaug 2006) and several national committees on classification and nomenclature (e.g., those in the United Kingdom and Germany) now favor merging the species formerly assigned to Hieraaetus into Aquila, and they are followed here."

Gjershaug, J.O. 2006. Taxonomy and conservation status of hawk-eagles (genus Nisaetus) in south-east Asia. Ph.D. thesis, Norwegian University of Science and Technology, Trondheim, Norway; http://www.diva-portal.org/ntnu/abstract.xsql?dbid=413.

Helbig, A.J., A. Kocum, I. Seibold, and M.J. Braun. 2005. A multi-gene phylogeny of aquiline eagles (Aves: Accipitriformes) reveals extensive paraphyly at the genus level. Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 35:147-164.

Wink, M., and H. Sauer-Gürth. 2004. Phylogenetic relationships in diurnal raptors based on nucleotide sequences of mitochondrial and nuclear marker genes. Pp. 483-498 in R.D. Chancellor and B.-U. Meyburg (eds.), Raptors worldwide. World Working Group on Birds of Prey, Berlin, and MME/BirdLife Hungary, Budapest.

But note that Christidis cites Wink & Sauer-Gürth as supporting the findings of Lerner & Mindell. (need to check that it's the same W&S-G article in both cases.

other species

The authors I have found that use A. pennata also put morphnoides, weiski, ayresii, spilogaster into Aquila. (kienerii often stays in Lophotrichus.)

But the current situation on Wikipedia is:

• Hieraaetus: morphnoides, weiskei, ayresii
• Aquila: spilogaster, pennatus, fasciata
• Lophotrichus: kienerii

But the genetic studies indicate pennatus is in the same clade as morphnoides-weiskei-ayresii, and spilogaster-fasciata are in a separate clade. So either you move spilogaster-fasciata and keep the others, or you move the whole genus Hieraaerus into Aquila. Still trying to find someone who moves pennatus and leaves the others as stated in the Hieraaetus article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pelagic (talk • contribs) 08:25, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Hieraaetus!

Ok, I've bitten the bullet and changed booted eagle to Hieraaetus.

Seeing the reversion in Clements was the biggest factor. I suspect many of the authors out there who are writing "Booted Eagle (Aquila pennata)" are influenced by the unrevised 6ed. Clements Checklist.

But note that the International Ornithogical Union (http://www.worldbirdnames.org/bow/raptors/) and ITIS (http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=175563) also currently list five Hieraaetus species including H. pennata, which agrees with the latest Clements revisions.

Now to fix the Hieraaetus article, sigh.

Pelagic (talk) 23:43, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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Migratory movements

I have taken the liberty of changing "wintering in southern Africa" to "spending November to February"

The latter version should be more clear - as the season in the southern hemisphere at this time (Nov-Feb) is summer..

Does anyone have information on the origin of the common name "Booted~"

&Brew^t@lk 22:25, 8 February 2019 (UTC)