Talk:Black Stump

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In regard to the contribution by Ian Olsson regarding Raffaello Carboni's use of the phrase 'black-stump', I've deleted:

Here the definition of the black stump is thought to be was beyond ones understanding probably used in everyday discussions between miners in the Ballarat gold rush days. In this way the black stump symbolised something that could not be fathomed as is the more distant derivation of today.

This uncited opinion seems to be drawing an extremely long bow. Carboni's quote seems to be referring to an object (i.e., the blackened pipe). How it comes to mean a gold-digger's expression for something that is beyond a person's understanding is beyond my understanding. Ikeshut 05:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It has always been my understanding that the Black Stump was in fact a black stump that was used as survey mark in the early 19th century and marked the end of the survey at that time(----)

First appearance in print[edit]

In the subsection "Contested origin: places", the following sentence occured:

If the use of the expression ‘black stump’ entered the Australian vernacular in the nineteenth century, it appears to be absent from Australian literature or newspaper reports until the twentieth century.

However, this directly contradicts the previous mentions of "the black stump" in Boldrewood and the Bulletin, both in the 19th Century! Therefore, I've changed the quoted sentence to read:

If the use of the expression ‘black stump’ entered the Australian vernacular in the nineteenth century, it rarely appeared in Australian literature or newspaper reports until the twentieth century.

yoyo (talk) 23:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References to The Black Stump in Coolah start in the 1840s in a number of newspapers. Someone with more wiki knowledge please edit the article. Throughout the 1840s and 1850s there are no other references to it apart from Coolah:

1847 here: "DEPASTURING LICENSES". The Australian (Sydney, NSW : 1824-1848). Sydney, NSW: National Library of Australia. 17 June 1847. p. 4. Retrieved 25 June 2011.

1850 here: "BURNETT DISTRICT". The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842-1954). NSW: National Library of Australia. 27 June 1850. p. 2 Supplement: Supplement to Sydney Morning Herald. Retrieved 25 June 2011.

1851 here: "Classified Advertising". The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser (NSW : 1843-1893). NSW: National Library of Australia. 21 May 1851. p. 1. Retrieved 25 June 2011.

"Government Gazette". The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser (NSW : 1843-1893). NSW: National Library of Australia. 19 March 1851. p. 4. Retrieved 25 June 2011.

1852 here: "COUNTRY NEWS". Bathurst Free Press and Mining Journal (NSW : 1851-1904). NSW: National Library of Australia. 20 November 1852. p. 2. Retrieved 25 June 2011.

1853 here: "Council Paper". The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser (NSW : 1843-1893). NSW: National Library of Australia. 2 July 1853. p. 4. Retrieved 25 June 2011.

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