Talk:Birch bark letter no. 292

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Finnic runic letters[edit]

I read from a Finnish source that it is written in Baltic See Finns runic letters, with influence of cyrillic alphabets. I don't touch the article because I'm not qualified to take part in this and I don't know the right terms either, but I write this as a hint for someone who knows what he's doing here.

Regards to the someone Hannu 203.144.160.242 18:48, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this is the only Finnic text from this period. How then can someone characterize the letters, when there is nothing to compare with? -- Petri Krohn 00:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Translation?[edit]

If someone has succeeded in interpreting this text in modern Finnish, surely it is possible to furnish those who do not speak that language with an English translation? — mark ✎ 18:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made a request at Wikipedia:Translation into English. Nikola 10:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Are the English translations even close? Especially the 2nd and the 3rd line of Khelimsky's suggestion: Khelimsky seems to have intepreted 'nuoli säihä(?) nuoli ambu' more like "Arrow flashing arrow shot" and 'Jumala suduni ohjavi (johavi?)' he interpreted more like "Doom-God guides"? Does anyone know more? Clarifer 10:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any Karelian speakers around. They should have a say? Clarifer 11:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The English translations are very close to the modern Finnish translations given in the article. I have no idea if English/modern Finnish translations are close to the archaic originals.Punainen Nörtti 18:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
soud'ni - soutuni ? A spell for a long travel ? 80.186.116.157 (talk) 16:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Syytö, as in sowing, is not regarded as a possibility... Interesting. Pitke (talk) 10:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the "ten" coming from?[edit]

As a native Finnish speaker, I don't understand at all where the "ten" is coming from? The "i" is nowhere near the Finnic word, at least the current ones: kymmenen, kümme. Hungarian is tiz, I think. The letter has "i". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18F:600:E20:20A8:4EC2:9A10:E525 (talk) 00:44, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's a cyrillic numeral. Yuhani (talk) 01:56, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

While browsing various articles I came across this combination by serendipity not expertise, but could the reference to ten arrows have anything to do with Onoghuria, to Ukraine/Kievan Rus'? This document appears to be separated from that name by 5 centuries, but perhaps it persisted and was translated into Karelian/Finnish? See Old Great Bulgaria, Khazars, Onogurs and Onoq. Waveshore7 (talk) 05:32, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I just found out about 10 arrows myself and it clicked to me as well that they could be connected. Came here and saw someone had the same idea 10 years ago.
-A.L 60.48.168.220 (talk) 16:20, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photo[edit]

Perhaps a photo could be uploaded from the 1st "external link", but I can't say, which copyright tag is a suitable one. The letter is of course PD, but its photo may be copyrighted. Cmapm 21:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Correct category?[edit]

Please see Category talk:Earliest known manuscripts by language. Enaidmawr (talk) 01:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Concerning the Finnish interpretations of the transliterations[edit]

Yeliseyev's iohovi is interpreted as johtaa. Khelimsky's ohjavi is interpreted as ohjaa. Yet in Kalevala-prose Finnish which most Finns are familiar with just like English-speakers are familiar with the archaic/theatric thou and thee, there exist much more fitting versions: johtavi and ohjavi (yes, the latter is 1:1) – for example Säkkijärven polkka has the word johtavi in its lyrics. It's just a bit off-putting that this isn't mentioned. --Kuukelo (talk) 12:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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