Talk:Bill Brown (cricketer)

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Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 6, 2007.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that former Australian cricket captain Bill Brown (pictured) was the first player to be "Mankaded"?
Current status: Featured article

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 17:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Excellent, if heavy article. A few concerns though:

  1. Image:Fingleton brown.jpg needs a little more context — either in place or time, or perhaps both — to fit well with the article. I was tempted to overlook this, but it really bothered me because, although it makes sense in the context of the article, it needs to be placed better. Also, it couldn't hurt to mention Fingleton's first name.
  2. As someone who knows very little about cricket, this article does get a bit heavy at times, though I suppose articles about Baseball and such would probably seem the same if I didn't know anything about them. Anyhow, I'm not holding it against a GA pass or anything, but it could hurt to wikilink or spend half a sentence explaining terms like "Brown made a century" (maybe not the best example since I can kind of guess what it means, but I hope the point is got anyways). Again, not something that has to be addressed for this review, but something to keep in mind. When the articles are as good as this, I can play around with picky things like this...
  3. "He scored a century of 133 in the first Test at Nottingham after Australia were forced to follow on, helping Bradman (144*) to save the Test with a draw." (Wisden Cricketer of the Year) requires a citation.
  4. Again, not something I'm going to hold it against a pass, but I did find it a bit strange that the article goes into so much detail about his cricket career, but spends a total of two-thirds of a sentence covering his WWII years. I mean, obviously he's a cricketer so that's to be expected, but the disparity is really marked. Just something to think about.
  5. You should note that Refs #2 and #28 require registration.
  6. Ref #29 is broken.

To reiterate, since this reads more like a Peer Review than a GA Review, what really needs to be addressed is the one image caption and the one reference. To allow for this, I am putting the article on hold for a period of up to seven days, after which it may be failed without further notice. Which would suck, so turn off Moraff's World (which no longer seems to work on Windows Vista... must get DOSBox) and get to it! When you're done that, find a new game for me to reference. Moraff is just an embarrassment. Cheers, CP 02:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do we know when/where the picture takes place? At least one would be helpful. If not, then nothing can be done and I'll pass the article after the broken ref is fixed. Insanely fast work by the way. Cheers, CP 02:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I figured out the first picture. It was in 1936-37. That was the only year that Fingleton and Brown both represented Australia in Australia. The official label says it was in Sydney but this is wrong, because Brown never played for Australia in Sydney until 1947-48 - Fingleton was long retired by then. The second picture at the bottom has no date or location, but this is not important imho because it doesn't depict a historic event. Brown is clearly standing on a concrete path (Cricket is played on grass) so it is obviously a posed photograph for a magazine or a coaching manual. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed teh broken ref. I'm not sure how to annotate the registration thing. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to go then. Congratulations, thank you for your hard work, and good luck with FA status (if that's your intent, which I gather it is from the banner). I think you put (registration required) next to the ref, but don't quote me on that, as I'm not 100% certain. The FA reviewers will tell you what to do if it's important. Cheers, CP 02:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brown/Fingleton image[edit]

I uploaded a similar img to Commons at Image:Brown and Fingleton.jpg in case someone considers a change. —Moondyne 13:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brown has died.[edit]

I'll update the article. Meanwhile, Cricinfo have posted some articles about him that may be useful: ([1]), ([2]), ([3]), ([4]), ([5]) and ([6]) --Dweller (talk) 13:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you. That will be helpful. When I have more time I'll look through it all. Qworty (talk) 01:21, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pre FA comments[edit]

  • The article links "Mankaded" in the lead to Vinoo Mankad. Would it be better to link to Run out#Mankaded and then link to the cricketer in the next sentence? -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Batting at No. 3 against Lancashire in the final tour match before the Tests, Brown scored to break into the Test XI." What did he make? The cite didn't help me.
  • "and was promoted to open in the Second Test at Lord's with Woodfull, after Ponsford was unavailable" Should we say why?
  • Asterisks for not out seems a little jargony and unclear to the layman. I changed one, but left the rest for comment -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is New Guinea campaign a more appropriate link than Papua New Guinea for Brown's war service?
  • "The uncertain status of the tour saw the players wearing blazers that were labelled ABC—Australian Board of Control." This may need further explanation as to why the labelling is important, i.e. no Australian crest. -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Brown was run out for 18, when in the act of delivering the ball, Mankad held on to it and whipped the Bails off at the non-striker's end. Brown was well out of his crease while he was backing-up the striker." I know this is all difficult to explain to the layman, but it seems a little jargon-heavy and doesn't explain why this type of dismissal is controversial. Our American friends would be familiar with the concept of a stolen base and may struggle to see what is so controversial. -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed these I hope except the Ponnie absence, I don't know why he was absent but it would be good to add if we know why, YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 08:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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