Talk:Bent-over row

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Instructions[edit]

Technically this can be done (and is more compound in the following way) by simply bending over and hyper extending the spine for support (possibly with two arms at the same time) Or lying on a bench lifting a barbell with both arms. These variations are less known but they have thier uses. For example, in a power-lifting program designed to increase the bench press, one with lower back problems who needs to do a two arm barbell row on the horizontal plane, would do one of the variations mentioned above if he can't do the bent over row because of a lower back problem. I really hate writing stuff on wikipedia since unless you are a registered user with a base of friends \ reputation anything you do is considered vandalism without any consideration to the content. The biomechanics of this movement sould also be mentioned. User:88.155.36.26 13:03, 22 November 2006

I'm not sure if hyper-extension would always be suitable for someone with back problems. Another issue is that bending at the hips and hyper-extending the spine defeats the purpose of bending at the hips in the first place by aligning the shoulders and scapulae vertical again. The hip-bend is a means to an end: a prone torso. Getting prone hips but not a prone rib cage does not serve to alter the angle of pull, which is why people bend over. Dictabeard (talk) 07:45, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lats or traps?[edit]

The article says the row works out the lats, but I thought it worked out the traps. Anyone know which one for sure? Paulish (talk) 08:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Like each row movement both muscles - as well as the biceps and the shoulders (posterior deltoid) - are involved. The positioning of the hands determines the emphasis. A wide grip makes the lats do more work, while a narrow grip gives the traps more work. Sijo Ripa (talk) 13:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rows can work out both muscles. The traps as a whole work to perform scapular retraction. The lats don't act directly on the scapulae, but do affect them via their pull on the arms. Sijo's explanation is incorrect. A narrow grip works the lats more, people supinate to encourage adduction and an elbows-in pose that focuses on keeping the weight closer to the base of support (the pelvis) and performing extension rather than transverse extension, which is elbows-out. With an elbows-in, it is moreso the lower traps which serve to assist the lats in retracting the scapulae. With elbows-out, the elbows are pulled besides the shoulders rather than beside the pelvis. This de-emphasizes the lats because the lats do not attach to the spine high, they attach lower down. This works the posterior deltoid as well as the long head of the triceps and infraspinatus as transverse extensors. It also works scapular retractors including the entire trapezius and the rhomboids. With a given weight, the tension on lower back muscles such as the erector spinae will also be greater since the weight is being pulled to a point further away from the base of the spine. Dictabeard (talk) 07:45, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong name/wrong excercise[edit]

Probably the article should be updated so that it differentiates between various types of barbell rows, using their names and reserving 'barbell row' as a synonym of 'classical barbell row' that is clearly done with 90 angle bend especially on starting position, while pointing out to Yates Rows etc. I am not an expert, so decided to just suggest that. More info I've seen (with details about variations as well): http://stronglifts.com/barbell-row/ Also, there are more results when googling "yates row barbell row classical". It would be of great benefit if wiki page lessened the confusion.

Asterixf2 (talk) 22:23, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My Variation[edit]

For the last 30 years, when standing at the kitchen sink washing dishes, I was getting pain between my shoulder blades. After doing one-arm, bent-over rows for a few days, the pain went away.

I find something low, like the bed or the arm of a plastic chair, and lean down on it so it supports one arm, which makes my back fairly parallel to the floor. The inner leg, closest to the chair, is placed forward for stability; the outer leg is placed back so its knee doesn't interfere with the rowing.

Instead of a dumbbell, I hold a computer "UPS" supply, an APC Back UPS ES-350 (with a dead battery). It weighs 8.2 lbs. Unlike a dumbbell, the UPS is too big for me to get my hands around, so I have to squeeze it continuously to hold on to it while I row. So my hands and wrists get some exercise, too.

I can do three sets of 30, alternating each side, for a total of 90 each side. I'm pretty new at exercising; my first mistake was using too much bicep. I still have to concentrate on lifting my elbow towards the ceiling, and save the biceps for a later exercise.

Then I sit down with the UPS and do some curls.Nei1 (talk) 21:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]