Talk:Battle of Bau

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@Gilberatalessandro054 Can you explain why you are making constant changes to the infobox that go against the standard formatting and also consensus? Your refusal to discuss up to this point has been very frustrating to deal with. Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 05:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gilberatalessandro054 You continue to edit war. Come to this talk page and discuss. I'm not asking. Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 12:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fantastic Mr. Fox the battle of bau was the indonesian counter attack victory because they success to press maunsell troops and make them withdrawn from they position Gilberatalessandro054 (talk) 12:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But do you know if that was the objective? I would hardly call the Battle of Bau a battle, but more like a raid. In the infobox, in the 'results' section, the standard is that it only contains one party: at maximum it would be changed to British Victory: see aftermath (with according adjustments) but my research tells me it was a operation in which the soldiers would seize the position and cause as much damage to the troops there as possible, before withdrawing. It is more comparable to something like a downsized Operation Claymore in its objectives - you could say 'well the Indonesians took back the position' but what's the point a position if it's value has been shot to pieces? Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 12:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that the source even quoted does not specify any sort of Indonesian victory should be observed. Eastfarthingan (talk) 13:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eastfarthingan i know i only missunderstood but the battle of bau was indonesian victory in second attack when the indonesian get supported by a company it was same objective like Battle of Plaman Mapu Gilberatalessandro054 (talk) 13:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the indonesian had make a success defensive in second attack while the indonesian have suffered heavy casualities they had success to defense and after get supported by many company they success to make British get the indonesian pressure Gilberatalessandro054 (talk) 13:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The point I'm trying to make here is that the purpose of the attack was seemingly not to take the position, but to destroy the position. Nobody calls Operation Claymore a victory because the Germans retook the island: taking the island was not the objective. Using your 'well they retook the position after putting the British under pressure'; compare this to a house. Someone attacks a house and forces everyone in it to flee. The house is then looted and torched. As this is happening, the former residents return, and the arsonists leave the vicinity. Just because you retook your home doesn't you mean you won, it means you have lost practically everything and the perpetrators are still able to come back and repeat the exercise at will. You get me? Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 13:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ Gilberatalessandro054 you are using your own opinion to which gives undue WP:WEIGHT to your argument. Eastfarthingan (talk) 13:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]