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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Grandiose (talk · contribs) 20:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be conducting a full review shortly, but it looks promising. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 20:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please have a look at the reference text and provide, at a minimum, an access date ("Full date when item was accessed") for web links, and correct any typographical errors (for example, incorrectly spaced brackets and other punctuation problems. Coverage and source usage are all fine, as is the copy quality of the main text. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 14:08, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added all the access dates for web links, formatted the refs with citation templates and fixed the grammatical errors that I could spot. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Two things: firstly, #1 has a typographical error. Secondly, I'm afraid that #16 will have to be replaced. Whilst Palestine Remembered may be suitable for the population, the pro-Palestine bias means that it is unsuitable for "Eyewitnesses claim al-Husayni himself was wounded and was evacuated to the government hospital in Hebron. In January 1939, British forces bombed a number of neighborhoods in the town for allegedly housing al-Husayni's fighters." Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. I'll try to find another source backing the 1939 bombing and al-Husayni's hospitalization, but for now I'll remove the info. It isn't critical since the Arab revolt in Bani Na'im is still covered. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:05, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA check[edit]

I am working my way through the Good articles listed at Places; having a quick look to see if they still meet the Good article criteria. I have landed on this article. After I've had a quick look, I'll leave a note here indicating if I have concerns or not.

In general, I see the process as this: 1) Give the article a quick look to see if there are obvious issues: maintenance tags, unsourced sections, excessive media, etc, resolving any minor issues as I do so; 2) If I have concerns, open a GAR to see how serious those concerns are, resolving them myself if they are not serious; 3) If during the GAR I feel that there is significant work to be done (more than I can or am willing to do myself), I will put the GAR on hold and notify the main contributors. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:38, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No concerns. Article looks good. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:52, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GAR[edit]

Bani Na'im[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Issues resolved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:00, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An article made a GA in 2011. My main concern with this article isn't a lack of sourcing (though there are two citation needed tags) but rather that it fails to be broad while also possibly needing updates. For broadness I'm specifically talking about the Jordanian Rule, Israeli Occupation, and Palestinian Autonomy sections. Each these sections consist solely of very short paragraphs, sometimes even being one sentence long, and it really feels as if more could be said here. The possibly needing update problem is how this article just seems to end at 2009. There is no mention of anything that after 2009. For example, the article mentions

"In 2009, the municipality reported a shortage of classrooms.[29]"

But there is no follow up on this afterwards, making it seem like Bani Na'im has had this shortage for a while. Onegreatjoke (talk) 05:51, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If I am wrong about my assumptions though then please tell me. Onegreatjoke (talk) 06:03, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Agree that the article needs an update and will see about recent relevant developments, as well as updated statistics. For History, I was hard-pressed to find much information about this relatively small town to flesh out each period of rule. When the article passed GAN, the section was structured differently, with the British, Jordanian, Israeli and Palestinian periods all part of the same subsection. I support restoring this, rather than the current bare-bones subsections. But first I will see if more sources have become available to expand on the town's history. Al Ameer (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Al Ameer son, did you find any more sources? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:27, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: Working on it. Only recent events I could find relate to the I/P conflict. Will see if the Palestinian government has updated statistics. Other than that, I do not anticipate more updates. Al Ameer (talk) 02:53, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may wish to scour the Palestinian government statistics website to see if you can find anything Al Ameer son. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:30, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I updated several statistics from the 2017 census and made some copyedits. Let me know your thoughts or suggestions. Al Ameer (talk) 03:04, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Grossman[edit]

@Rajoub570: Regarding your addition that the village was “completely” abandoned in 1838, its inhabitants living in caves, etc. This is actually false and a misleading assertion, implying the village was deserted. Grossman is obviously citing Edward Robinson’s 1838 observation, which is available for all to read. Robinson does not claim it was abandoned, but rather, like many other villages in the region, seasonally inhabited as per the residents’ socioeconomic custom. He says the following: “Some of the houses are built of large hewn stones, indicating antiquity. Most of them were in good repair, but none of them now inhabited; all the people being abroad, in tents or caves, in order to watch their flocks and fields of grain. This is the custom of the peasants in this part of Palestine, during the months of pasturage in spring and until the crops are gathered; while in autumn and winter they inhabit their villages.” Please be careful using Grossman; I cannot personally access his text, but in other work I’ve read, like on the Algerian settlements of the Galilee, he has been similarly imprecise. —Al Ameer (talk) 15:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zero0000:, I know you have been working on getting this text. nableezy - 15:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This text is in English Rajoub570 (talk) 15:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, this is a different article from what Nableezy refers to. Zero^talk 07:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, Grossman's usage of "deserted" might be too strong a word, but Robinson did find Bani Naim empty of its residents Rajoub570 (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grossman's words are correct but incomplete and easily misunderstood. For example you misunderstood them when you wrote "Its residents resettled in surrounding areas" which is not a proper description of seasonal dwelling. In general, Grossman is often superficial when citing sources and we should always consult the originals when that is possible. Kudos to Al Ameer in this case. Zero^talk 07:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]