Talk:Bally, Pennsylvania

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Copyright Infringement?[edit]

Some text appears to have been lifted nearly word for word from http://www.ballyborough.org/history.html. How different must text be to not be infringement? --Colinbartlett 10:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

Name origin: The name "Goshenhoppen" as an Indian name has no linguistic value. It is entirely out of sink with native languages of the area. It is most likely of Germanic root, being a mixture of the place name "Goshen" and "Hafen." However, in fairness, since neither etymology has been proven, I have left both.

There was no reference cited claiming that "Bally" was ever a contraction of "Butter Valley," as a previous edit suggested. It seems odd that one would overlook the local oral history of the people in Bally, who claim the name was changed to honor Fr. Augustine Bally, S.J., who died the year before they changed the name of the town. Both a local genealogy page that references local historian Leon Borst and a find a grave page for Fr. Bally credit the origin of the town's name as honoring the priest.

I was personally in Bally yesterday, and the people I spoke with gave me this same name origin. Chrisgaffrey (talk) 15:08, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so looking at the history of the page, the history of the name was originally added by Kitia back in August 2007. It included the story of the name Bally being after Fr. Augustine Bally, SJ.

After Kitia's edit, the History states:

"The Borough of Bally was originally called Goshenhoppen, an Indian word meaning "meeting place". Catholics and Mennonites settled in the area by the early 1700s. On land received from the Mennonite community, Father Theodore Schneider built the St. Paul's Chapel (now known as the Most Blessed Sacrament Church), the oldest existing Catholic place of worship in Pennsylvania and the fourth oldest Catholic structure in the thirteen original colonies, having being built in 1743.

Later that year Father Schneider started a Catholic school at the mission church. The school, originally called St. Aloysius Academy, also marked the beginning of Catholic education in the 13 original colonies. After several name changes, it is currently known as St. Francis Academy and is the oldest currently operating Catholic school in the nation.

To reflect the many churches in the town (as there were also several other churches in the area of different denominations), Goshenhoppen was renamed Churchville. When the post office was established in 1883, it was named Bally in honor of Fr. Augustin J. Bally, a Catholic priest and spiritual leader. Bally was incorporated as that in 1912."

Colinbartlett comes along in October 2007 and begins the copyright infringement topic above. Using a little reason, one can infer that his claim that text is almost directly take from the Bally Borough website back in the day, is in reference to the history of the name that Kitia had just added two months prior, because the specific part of the Bally Borough website (which no longer exists) he mentions is the history section. A no brainer.

In March of 2015, a whole 7 some odd years later, some unknown person comes along and deletes the reference of the town being named after the priest with no rationale what so ever and adds that "Bally" is a contraction of "Butter Valley."

Here's photographic evidence of what happened

I think I'll take local town history over some random non-user's opinion any day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisgaffrey (talk • contribs) 15:53, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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