Talk:Balaibalan

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A more specific link?[edit]

You wrote: '... independent of the fashion for conlanging that occurred in the Renaissance.' Is it possible to give a more specific link to a discussion of, or exemplars of, this fashion? BTW, you have made a good start to the article I had hoped to see. ;-) yoyo 10:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are some wrongs this article. "Fist Constructed Languages":Bâleybelen by Mustafa Koç. This book is detailed information include about Baleybelen.

Dating[edit]

The statement about "16th century Cairo" needs a reference; Arika Okrent in her In the Land of Invented Languages says it "was designed sometime between 1400 and 1700 (the documents can't be reliably dated)." Languagehat (talk) 01:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Creator?[edit]

I restored a missing name in the first sentence (based on the listed reference), but then noticed that the second paragraph lists another creator entirely. It offers no source, and if you go to the Wikipedia page about that author, it likewise lists no source. Is this some sort of vandalism, or original research? Are there any sources to back up the claim? 76.167.253.199 (talk) 08:02, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The two Turkish sources both mention this other guy as the creator. And frankly, the source you mentioned isn't very clear at all: "[...] Balaibalan, probably invented by Fadl Allah from Asterabad towards the end of the 14th century or by his disciples in the 15th century". My experience with mentionings of constructed languages in books about completely different subjects is that they are often grossly inaccurate. Now I'm not saying that that is the case here as well, but given the fact that both Turkish sources are specially dedicated to the language, while in this text it's only mentioned, I'd rather put my money on this Gülşenî fellow after all. —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 09:28, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Location of construction[edit]

According to Iranica,[1] Muhyî-i Gülşenî lived in Ottomans, however, its claimed that the language was created in Iran. What are the references to that information? BerkBerk68^talk 13:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he was evidently born in Edirne, but according to Iranica he lived in Cairo. The claim predates my involvement. In the version of the article before I started editing, it said,

Its original creator may have been 14th century mystic Fazlallah Astarabadi, founder of Hurufism, or his followers in the 15th century;^[1]

according to that source, "Fadl Allah" was from Asterabad (Goran). — kwami (talk) 09:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Syncretistic Religious Communities in the Near East". Retrieved 17 January 2015.

— kwami (talk) 09:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[q-1] "Syncretistic Religious Communities in the Near East". Retrieved 17 January 2015.

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