Talk:Azad Kashmir/Archives/2018

Archiving

Currently, the auto-archiving is set so that there are separate archive subpages for each month. The result is that hardly any of the archives has more than a single thread and all the archive content is spread across dozens of tiny pages. I think we should organise the achives on a yearly basis: there'll be a separate archive subpage only for each year. I think we should also merge most of the old archive subpages so that they're easier to browse. – Uanfala 11:43, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

There has been no objection, so I'm proceeding with this proposal. – Uanfala 10:01, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Ethnic groups

Raja ethnic group is missing from the page. There are various rajput clans in the region, namely: Chibh, Suleriah, Mangral, Ghakkar, Khakkril — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmaverick2k (talk • contribs) 15:24, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

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Kashmiri endangered in Neelam Valley?

I've removed the claim that Kashmiri was on the verge of dying out in the Neelam Valley. It was sourced to a news article, whose only coverage of the topic was a mention that at a certain conference K. Rehman had said that the Kundal Shahi and Kashmiri languages, which were spoken in the Neelum Valley, were on the verge of dying.. Even leaving aside the general reliability of using such hearsay evidence, I strongly suspect that in this particular case there has been a mixup between the language status of Kundal Shahi (a definitely endangered language spoken in a single village) and that of Kahsmiri. According to a paper co-authored by the same person as the one (mis)quoted here, Kashmiri is the second most common language of the valley. The paper lists a dozen or so villages where it's the sole or majority language, and notes that it's used in all domains. True, it does remark that almost all speakers are bilingual in Hindko and that there is a language shift in the villages with mixed population, but this implies that such a shift is not happening in the Kashmiri-only villages. Of course, it's conceivable that the situation has changed in the decade since the paper was written, but in light of all the preceding I think it is unlikely. – Uanfala (talk) 20:46, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

References

I've rewritten the languages section. Along the way, I've removed the bit about Kashmiri being spoken by "hardly 5%" of the population (referenced to a mention in a newspaper article). Other pieces of information (see the rough estimate in the lede of Kashmiri language, or the 1961 census figures, or the estimate in ethnologue) suggest that the proportion is likely to be much less than 5%. If this is the case, then the phrase "hardly 5%" is misleading, as it suggests – correct me if I'm wrong about the implications – a figure at least close to 5%.

I'm not willing to replace that with some other concrete figure, because a) all the recent ones I've come across are guesstimates, and b) the 2017 census did include a Kashmiri option for the language question, so hopefully there will soon be data available that could be the basis for something more reliable. – Uanfala (talk) 03:15, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2018

Please add that Azad Kashmir is also called "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir". This is a disputed territory. UN does not recognize it as Azad Kashmir. http://www.un.org/press/en/1996/19960418.hrcn742.html India Researches (talk) 06:46, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

See the 2nd line of the 2nd paragraph in the lead.If you wish it to be mentioned more prominently, initiate a RFC and ask for the views of the broader editorial community, given the highly conflicted nature of the topic.Best, ~ Winged Blades^Godric 07:37, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2018

The last line of the second paragraph has not source. Kindly remove this. It mentions,"o the east, Azad Kashmir is separated from the Indian-administered state of Jammu and Kashmir by the Line of Control, the de facto border between India and Pakistan. Azad Kashmir has a total area of 13,297 square kilometres (5,134 sq mi), and a total population of 4,045,366 as per the 2017 Census."

It says that azad kashmir is separated from indian-administered kashmir. Either you should use "Pakistan administered kashmir" or should remove "Indian administered kashmir. Because its a matter of opinion. India Researches (talk) 08:30, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. "Indian administered" is needed here for disambiguation because there are two references to "Jammu and Kashmir" (the princely state and the Indian-administered state). Even otherwise, there is nothing non-neutral about "Indian administered". It would be a problem only if it is used needlessly. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Geography and Climate section

While looking for citation for something else, I found this report on Construction Material Sources In and Around Azad Jammu and Kashmir from 2014. It's from a reliable source (the Azad government of Jammu and Kashmir), and among a ton of information on construction, it has multiple sections on geography, topography and climate with a lot of information. Hoping this helps someone expand and improve this and other articles relating to AJK. Hecseur (talk) 18:19, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Sudhan ancestry

Astore Malik, you have yourself added the phrase "the tribe claims an Pashtun ancestry". Now you say "Sudhans have Pashtun ancestry descent". And you claim that the same source supports this new content. Please provide a quotation from the source that says this. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Please read the source! i added what was in the source, there is mentioned about they have instead of claim -

- User:Astore Malik (talk) 12:00, 16 July 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astore Malik (talk • contribs)

I am sorry. It is your content and your source. When asked for a quotation that supports the content, you need to supply it.

I can ask an admin to tell you so, if you don't oblige. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:43, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2018

The first para of this article states: "The territory lies west of the Indian-administered state of Jammu and Kashmir, and was previously part of the former princely state of Jammu and Kashmir, which ceased to exist as a result of the first Kashmir war fought between India and Pakistan in 1947."

This is an opinion of pakistan not of the world. Either you should change its name from azad kashmir to pakistan administered kahsmir or you should remove the reference of "indian administered kashmir". India Researches (talk) 08:35, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done. Please state request in the form "Change X to Y". And provide reliable sources for any claims you make. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:14, 5 April 2018 (UTC)