Talk:Ask and Embla/GA1
GA Review: Fail[edit]
- Fails: "Broad in its coverage". Does not cover:
- Mention of Ask and Embla, outside Norse mythology, use of names in other later books. [1]
- Short 1 line sections in "Theories", can be expanded or merged as 1 big section. Similarly, for Attestations. Fails: WP:LAYOUT
You are welcome to ask for a reassessment. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 07:48, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- I find this assessment pretty odd. Why is this status not "on hold" rather than "failed"? Firstly, popular culture mentions are going to be hard to source without original research involved. They are rarely mentioned. I have no idea why you mention this Will the Real God Please Stand Up book.
- Secondly, these are the only sources for these two figures and are exactly what they say about the figures. Being the "first man and woman" would indicate that they are responsible for further humans, and this is stated quite plainly in the Prose Edda section, which mentions the term "Midgard". Is there some confusion here on your part? :bloodofox: (talk) 07:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- "Will the Real God Please Stand Up" quotes about their direct descendants. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- This is not from the source material. I don't know where it's from, but this level of detail is otherwise nowhere to be found about the two. This book is irrelevant. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- It is from "Norse Gods and Giants" by Doubleday and Company. N. Y. pp.27-28 per inline citation. [4]
- This is not from the source material. I don't know where it's from, but this level of detail is otherwise nowhere to be found about the two. This book is irrelevant. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- "Will the Real God Please Stand Up" quotes about their direct descendants. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- This is a modern retelling. Again, this is not found in the source texts. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- I am no expert, it may or may not be a "modern retelling". I just saw the reference stated.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- It definitely is. It's very telling that this dubious book is using a modern retelling as source material. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- I am no expert, it may or may not be a "modern retelling". I just saw the reference stated.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- This is a modern retelling. Again, this is not found in the source texts. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- "In popular culture" section may need some researching, thus may not done quickly. So the article was not put on hold. I put an article "on hold" if I feel it can mended in a short time.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- I've since mentioned that the two are sometimes mentioned in popular culture in the lead. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- In popular culture, where should be mentioned.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- There may be other references to the couple, which i have not linked to.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- There are innumerable little references like this in modern popular culture, particularly in Scandinavia. I don't see the point in mentioning a handful of them as none of them are particularly major that I can think of off of the top of my head. Perhaps artistic depictions of them would be helpful, but this is a requirement I have not otherwise encountered in WP:GAN. Simply stating that the figures are referenced at times in popular culture should suffice, frankly. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- A section on "Artistic depictions" would be great.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- I have since created such a section. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- A section on "Artistic depictions" would be great.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- There are innumerable little references like this in modern popular culture, particularly in Scandinavia. I don't see the point in mentioning a handful of them as none of them are particularly major that I can think of off of the top of my head. Perhaps artistic depictions of them would be helpful, but this is a requirement I have not otherwise encountered in WP:GAN. Simply stating that the figures are referenced at times in popular culture should suffice, frankly. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- There may be other references to the couple, which i have not linked to.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- "In popular culture" section may need some researching, thus may not done quickly. So the article was not put on hold. I put an article "on hold" if I feel it can mended in a short time.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Ask for a WP:GAR, if you want, now or renominate at WP:GAN. Good work, i can see immediate changes in the article. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- Good work, but please renominate at WP:GAN, because i think somebody else should look into the matter as i think "Outside Norse myth" or "popular culture" would be needed. Also once i say it is "failed" in edit summary, GAN; i can't pass it. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 09:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. :bloodofox: (talk) 09:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
- Good work, but please renominate at WP:GAN, because i think somebody else should look into the matter as i think "Outside Norse myth" or "popular culture" would be needed. Also once i say it is "failed" in edit summary, GAN; i can't pass it. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 09:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)