Talk:Ashford railway works

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I have added inline refs where possible, there are still some required. Much of the original text seems to be based on the books by Larkin, father and son, which I cannot really accept as WP:RELIABLE:

in their 1988 book they state (p.93) "in 1888 the South-Eastern Railway amalgamated with the South-Eastern & Chatham Railway" which is easily disproved. Even E.F. Carter doesn't commit that howler.
on the same page they state that all 109 Wainwright 0-6-0s (ie the C class) were built at Ashford; in fact 70 were, with 9 from Longhedge and 15 each from Neilson, Reid and Sharp, Stewart.
in both their books they state that 639 steam locos were built there, but a check down the table gives a total of over 750.

I can see that I need to give it a thorough check. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think I see how Larkin & Larkin get a total of 639. They have taken the number of locos built at Ashford for the SER or SE&CR, or for the SR to SE&CR orders, and added the Stanier 8F class:

Locos completely built at Ashford to Cudworth (159), Mansell (15), Stirling (239) or Wainwright (196) designs: 609
Locos built at Ashford to Maunsell designs and SE&CR orders - K (1), N (15), N1 (1), K1 (1): 18
Locos built at Ashford to REC order (LMS class 8F): 14

total 641 (there are thus two other locos they're ignoring)

Why count the 8Fs and ignore the 70 locos built to SR orders (other than the 50 "Woolworths")? --Redrose64 (talk) 15:02, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Curious. Lowe (p.595) also gives a total of 639, but qualifies it: "Up to this date [1 January 1923] as far as can be estimated 639 locomotives had been built at Ashford." I think that he's including the second batch of the L class (10 locos) which were built by Borsig in Berlin and, according to Bradley "were unloaded at Dover [and] towed to Ashford Works where they were prepared for service by fitters sent over from Germany." so my guess is that Larkin & Larkin took this as a final total. Lowe's final total is 740 plus the 50 "Woolworths" giving 790 (I get 712+50=762). --Redrose64 (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]