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Declared Plant (weed) in Western Australia[edit]

Not going to edit main page until I know more, but Cynara cardunculus is a declared weed in Western Australia. But I can buy them in shops - anyone know more? http://agwdsrv02.agric.wa.gov.au/dps/version02/01_plantview.asp?page=1&contentID=6&p2=956

Thoglette (talk) 03:31, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cynara cardunculus is a declared plant in Western Australia but this only relates to populations of plants that are threatening horticultural operations or have established in the native environment. It is not

Deathly artichokes?[edit]

The caption on the first picture of artichokes in the article says "the deathly artichokes that killed 5 hundred innocent people in zimbabwe." The image itself doesn't have any comment relating to zimbabwe or foodborne illness, and to me it just looks like a nice picture of some artichokes. I don't know anything about such a thing, and I'm leaving it alone right now, but someone may want to look into that / supply more info. Xorm (talk) 21:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article Inconsistency[edit]

Article states that California grows nearly 100% of domestic artichoke production. Map shows no artichokes in Californis and lots around Maine Vermont etc. Map needs correction.

Medical info?[edit]

Why is there medical info for an artichoke? It's a food!

I agree that it's very odd looking with terms like "dosage". However, listing ingredients, benefits, and potential allergic reactions is valuable info if it can be rewritten in a more food-appropriate way. StuRat 11:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It must refer to a substance found in artichokes. 250-750mg of artichoke would not do much, and people normally eat a lot more than that. Matt13 20:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


the article is about artichokes not just artichokes as a food. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.232.88.2 (talk) 02:26, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From "artichoke"[edit]

The following is all from the Artichoke disambiguation page. Some could possible be merged here. - brenneman(t)(c) 06:20, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Preparation Put in a pan of boiling water for 15 minutes or in bowl with a little bit of water to steam in microwave until soft. Pull off outer leaves of artichoke and dip fleshy lower part into butter, this flesh is the only edible part of the leaf. Once the leaves are removed, scrape off the hairy 'choke' and eat the base, or heart, with a little butter.[reply]

History The artichoke is native to the Mediterranean and Canary Islands whose origins date to around 350 BC when a Greek philosopher and naturalist, Theophrastus, wrote about seeing it in Italy and Sicily. The artichoke was both a delicacy and an aphrodisiac to the Greeks and Romans. Ancient Greeks believed that the artichoke was effective for use in ensuring the sex of your unborn child was male. The artichoke became scarce after Rome fell, but around the middle 15th century they were cultivated in Naples and eventually spread to the rest of Europe. In the 1500’s Catherine de Medici, who was married to King Henry II is said to have made the artichoke famous. She introduced it to France when she married King Henry III. When the French immigrants settled in the Louisiana Territory they brought the artichoke with them. The French colonists created artichoke fields in Louisiana and fields were also created in California by the Spanish in the late 1800’s.

The artichoke is an edible thistle, brought to California by Italians in the 1800's. The state's first artichoke farm was planted near the Bay Area. A single medium artichoke has about 6gm of carbohydrates. Almost 100% of all artichokes in the U.S. are grown commercially in California. Louisiana and California are the major areas in the US where the plant is grown as a perennial, usually starting as a cutting from a mother plant. This makes them sensitive to heat.

Health Artichokes, including leaves, were thought to be an aphrodisiac, a diuretic, a breath freshener and even a deodorant. Decoctions of artichoke leaves have been used as blood cleansers, cholerics, to improve bile production and secretion, and to detox the liver and the skin.

Nutrients Artichokes contain vitamin C and nutrients that support the structure of capillaries. A diet of fruits and vegetables yields lower homocysteine levels, which means less risk of developing Alzheimer's disease (AD), according to a 2002 report from scientists at Boston University. High amounts of dietary potassium in vegetables appear to lessen the risk of forming kidney stones.

References 2004 Linda Stradley History of Artichokes. Accessed on Dec 12, 2005,

http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/ArtichokeHistory.htm

eating raw artichockes[edit]

In Italy it's not unusual to eat artichocke raw dressed with vinaigrette or with mayonnease, maybe it should be added too the article. Plch 18:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree http://eelslap.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.168.120.242 (talk) 06:28, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

I have replaced the link to the Artichoke page of Mrs. Grieve's "Modern Herbal" (1931), which I think minimally informative or useful, with one to the Artichokes page of a site (that, in full disclosure, I maintain) on growing varieties of vegetables, herbs, and fruits of particular interest to the home gardener owing to their superior eating qualities. It has detailed growing information, but is especially focussed on cultivar selection.

While I was at it, I somewhat cleaned the Links section, annotating links, correcting changed targets, and adding a couple of new ones.

Eric Walker 02:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What such measures??[edit]

The article says: "The recently introduced hybrid cultivar 'Imperial Star' has been bred to produce in the first year without such measures." but does not enlighten us as to what such measures it means. If it is in there it should probably be made more clear what is means.

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move the article to Artichoke, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 07:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Globe artichoke → Artichoke — this is an artichoke —Ewlyahoocom 05:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

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Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:
  • There seems to be a misunderstanding here; Ewlyahoocom's point is that the "Globe artichoke" is commonly known as just "artichoke", without the "Globe" prefix. Artichoke redirecs here (but only recently, due to Chaffer's edits [1]). There are other types of artichoke indeed, but they're not so common, nor they're typically styled without an adjective. I tend to agree with that, but I'll relist the RM. Duja► 12:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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medicinal use[edit]

I'm sceptical regarding the medicinal claims for artichokes. Firstly, "tonic for convalecense" is meaningless. Artichoke's use to treat gallstones seems to run against warnings I see at some Web sites such as

In addition, because artichoke leaf is believed to stimulate gallbladder contraction, individuals with gallstones or other forms of gallbladder disease could be put at risk by using this herb. Such individuals should use artichoke leaf only under the supervision of a physician. It is possible that increased gallbladder contraction could lead to obstruction of ducts or even rupture of the gallbladder.[2]

This study casts doubt on the cholesterol-lowering benefits of artichokes and recommends further studies to establish their validity.

So, I'll remove all beneficial claims in the text and just keep the one about it increasing bile flow. We don't want to make people want to medicate themselves with remedies that have not been approved by health authorities. --InfoCan (talk) 20:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Artichoke tea[edit]

Was the idea of making artichokes into tea developed in Vietnam, was the concept introduced by the French? Badagnani (talk) 00:33, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History Section?[edit]

A significant portion (around half) of the information in the "Cultivation" section is about the history of the cultivation of the artichoke. Perhaps this could be split from the "Cultivation" section and combined with other historical information (see the 'From "artichoke"' section of this talk page) to form a separate "History" section. A rework of the paragraphs' wording and phrasing may be necessary to improve the flow after the split. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.173.109.104 (talk) 12:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

composition of Artichoke heart?[edit]

What is the heart of the artichoke, and the 'flesh' on the leaves? Is it a fat, a stored protein, some specialized tissue? what nutritional content does it have? ThuranX (talk) 03:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Newhall[edit]

"The Dutch introduced artichokes to England, where they grew in Henry VIII's garden at Newhall in 1530."

The link to Newhall goes to a disambiguation page. None of the choices is particularly enlightening. Presumably Henry VIII's garden was in just one of the English villages. 86.14.225.35 (talk) 17:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excessive images[edit]

There are too many images in this article and it is causing serious formatting headaches. They should be organized into a gallery and put in their own section or, better yet, moved to commons. causa sui (talk) 22:15, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Left-Aligned images are causing formatting problems in several browsers (Opera, IE, Webkit to a lesser extent). See screenshot: http://upload.fopedush.com/fopedush/artichokes.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.18.115.2 (talk) 22:18, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed some of the images which were repetitive of others, and have adjusted the formatting a bit. It looks OK on my screen and with my browser (Firefox). Not perfect, but OK. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An Artichoke wiki page should address the various plants called Artichoke, not just one. For example there is obviously a difference between the Jerusalem Artichoke and the Globe Artichoke. I would suggest it is worth mentioning and distinguishing, or are Jerusalem Artichokes a secret? Thistles and Sunflowers, but both are called Artichokes, and are sold as Artichokes. Clarity is vital in a Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.216.160 (talk) 13:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Atichoke should cover more than just Globe.[edit]

It is incorrect to title the page Artichoke, and not discuss the different Artichokes. The page we are at currently should clearly be titled "Globe Artichoke" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.216.160 (talk) 13:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How to eat.[edit]

The article says you throw away the tick leaves & eat the thin ones. Not true... You boil the choke in herb water for 1.5 hours. You bite down on the leaves & pull, to get the meat off of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.135.167.21 (talk) 02:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bayer's subsidiary Nuheim seeds blatant advertising its artichoke seeds[edit]

I am new here and not sure how to proceed but i have spotted an injustice: five citations 8 is all about the spanish branch of Nuheim seed company a part of Bayer crop science. I will be reading on how to handle this but i felt com pulse to do something . I stand to be corrected hope it is not widespread to each entry on vegetables. Tillering (talk) 11:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you be more specific about which text in the article appears to be "blatant advertising" to you? Deli nk (talk) 12:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology[edit]

While this website provides an etymology, I could not find a place to slip it in. Could someone find a place for it? Cheers - JoshMuirWikipedia (talk) 12:49, 19 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Languages[edit]

Hello,

I wanted to add some languages to the list (eg. dutch, https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artisjok , however I always get an error that this language is already in use => Could not save due to an error. The link nlwiki:Artisjok is already used by item Q134609. You may remove it from Q134609 if it does not belong there or merge the items if they are about the exact same topic.

But what does this mean? I do not see the language in the options on the artichoke page? And Q134609, no idea what that even means, the page, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q134609 is just some information, but it is not the wiki? I do not understand this. How can I or others add more languages to the artichoke page?

It is really weird because I looked for artichoke in the dutch wiki, found it, but then realized there is no link on the dutch page to the english page! (there is a link to the simple english one, but not the regular english one?

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Etymology and names[edit]

I've reverted this recent edit to the Etymology section. It kept the paragraph that talked of the English names and traced them to Arabic, and removed the two paragraphs about the reborrowing of the Western name into Arabic and about the apparently widespread re-analysis of the names for artichokes in Romance languages.

Now, I sympathise with the view that we shouldn't go at great lengths into content about words as such. However, if it is judged that we should have content about the origin of the English word from Arabic, then I can't envisage an argument that we shouldn't have content about the origin of the Arabic word from English. It's precisely because we're not a dictionary that we should aim for encyclopedically relevant content regardless of the language it's about. The stories around the artichoke's names are well-known, and their coverage in a general work like Rosenhouse and Howner's is an indication that they're not only of a narrowly lexicographical interest. – Uanfala (talk) 23:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Artichokes what amount is healthy to eat?[edit]

What amount of artichokes are safe to eat daily? 2603:6081:4600:310A:3031:D68E:4EC8:1A3C (talk) 14:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Re: California[edit]

A brief note, maybe a sentence alone, should mention why California is the sole growing region for the US. This is discussed in some sources related to Half Moon Bay, where it was once exclusively grown. I can't recall the exact reasons (I would have to go back to the sources), but it could be due to climate and soil alone. However, it is unusual that attempts to recreate these conditions elsewhere in the US have failed. I'm curious if another reason behind the regional focus is a particular state or federal subsidy. Viriditas (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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