Talk:Arthroschista hilaralis

Name needs spelling correctly[edit]

even though the references cite Globiz Pyraloidea, it appears the name of this species has been mis-spelt, with an "a" missing from the species epithet. It should be hilaralis, not hilaris. I am aware that this may necessitate a new page with the correct spelling included in the URL, but I don't know how to deal with this myself. Please could someone with more Wiki savvy mind update this species accordingly? HKmoths (talk) 07:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@HKmoths: move done. Could you include some citations / database links that clearly indicate that this is the correct spelling. I see the protonym. Let me see if I can locate the original Walker reference. Shyamal (talk) 08:50, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Shyamal: Thanks. On http://globiz.pyraloidea.org/Pages/Reports/TaxonReport.aspx, for hilaralis the text cites Walker (1859) as the author and gives the spelling as hilaralis.

Walker, F. 1859 c: Pyralides. – List of the Specimens of Lepidopterous Insects in the Collection of the British Museum, London 18: 509–798. I will see if it's on Biodiveristy Heritage's website

HKmoths (talk) 09:05, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

here's the original description: http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/38951898#page/562/mode/1up HKmoths (talk) 09:08, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Would be good to indicate how the chresonym originated as well so that not nobody moves things back based on the wrong sources (such as EOL) Shyamal (talk) 09:22, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find or trace the original error. The key online databases (Lepindex & Globiz Pyraloidea) do not list hilaris. So it would be possible that the original internet error that may have been the source for the original Wiki entry will not be traceable. What is clear is that because this error was on Wikipedia for four years, the error is now perpetuated on all the websites that copy Wikipedia, and thus is getting to be used by the general public. A Google search with keywords "hilaris" & "Crambidae" returned 25,000 hits! Will take a lot of following up to clear this mess :( HKmoths (talk) 13:36, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How awful! There are two papers on Google Scholar that actually use hilaris one from India and another from Korea... anyway, I hope there is a good lesson in this for academics - fix errors here - it is worth it - as Doug Yanega says. Shyamal (talk) 13:53, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ouch - doesn't reflect well on the authors, nor the reviewers. It is relatively easy now to find original spellings and academics should know better. HKmoths (talk) 13:57, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think in this case Wikipedia is not entirely responsible for the error propagation - the article was begun in 2014 and the Indian paper above was published in 2002 (a newsletter more than a rigorous journal though). I see that there is a transcription error here that might need a correction. Shyamal (talk) 14:11, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

that's rather careless on the part of the Indian paper's author. I don't know if it is likely to have been mainstream reading, but it could be the, or a, source of the problem. Further references of note using the correct spelling include Robinson, Tuck & Shaffer (1994: a Field Guide to the Smaller Moths of South-East Asia) and the recently updated Pyraloidea of Borneo website - http://www.pyralidsofborneo.org/index.php?hilaralis . HKmoths (talk) 14:22, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have emailed the BMNH r.e. the Genus Names database error. That source is much more likely to have been a major influence.HKmoths (talk) 14:32, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On the brighter side - the actual number of Google Hits for "Arthroschista hilaris" (in quotes) is only 296 ... the thing with Google is that it does an implicit "AND" but it also appends pages that would pass the "OR" criterion in the results. Shyamal (talk) 14:37, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

thx. Also encouraging is the Global Names Architecture website's name resolver (http://globalnames.org/) also shows hilaris is not used in preference to hilaralis in most online databases. HKmoths (talk) 16:13, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]