Talk:Angel Orensanz Center

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A fact from Angel Orensanz Center appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 October 2011 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Angel Orensanz Center is housed in a Gothic Revival synagogue building built in 1849?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2011/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Angel Orensanz Center.

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Inspiration[edit]

Its Gothic style was inspired by the Cologne Cathedral in Cologne, Germany, and Friedrichwerdesche Kirche in Berlin.[2]

If Cologne Cathedral was a source of inspiration, then this is true only in the most limited sense possible. It must be remembered that at the time that the synagogue was constructed, Cologne Cathedral was only partially built. Work commenced in the 1840s but it wasn't completed until the 1880s. Cologne Cathedral is an enormously ambitious building, constructed in stone, with the main interior space exceedingly tall for its width, and the whole very richly decorated with carvings and moulding in stone.

While it may be true that the architect visited the incomplete building and found it "inspirational", the cathedral cannot possibly be considered as a source for the architecture of the synagogue, regardless of what your source says. It is plainly a error. It may be possible that the architect got the idea of a Gothic Revival building from Cologne, but that would be as far as the connection went. Any link that exists between the Angel Orensanz Center and Cologne Cathedral is much too tenuous for it to be mentioned in Cologne Cathedral's article as if it is significant to the history of Cologne Cathedral. In fact, I would remove the reference to Cologne Cathedral from this article, as being of very dubious connection, except that it is referenced.

Friedrichwerdesche Kirche, on the other hand, is a 19th century Brick Gothic building which somewhat predates the Angel Orensanz Center, and might well have provided an inspiration.

Amandajm (talk) 04:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen that statement in two or three sources, though only one is reflected in the article. See, e.g., these books, this article, this article, and this article. And here is an 1850 article about the Cathedral in Civil engineer and architect's journal, and another from 1849 -- close to the time the synagogue was built. Same with this art journal article about a model of the Cathedral being exhibited at the time. And with these 1846 articles mentioning the quarterly reports of the designer of the Cathedral. I believe that some of them go into more detail even, as to what in the synagogue was especially influenced by the Cologne Cathedral. Also, as to what elements of the synagogue were removed over the years. As you say, work commenced in the 1840s, well before this was built. And, as you know, the architect here was German, so there is no reason to disbelieve that he may have been familiar with the plans of the Cathedral, its actual development in the first years it was built, and been influenced by them. In short, even if we were to accept OR, there is no reason to disbelieve the RS -- what it says could clearly be accurate.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:06, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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