Talk:Anderson .Paak

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Requested move 1 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: MOVED per MOS and consensus below. Tiggerjay (talk) Tiggerjay (talk) 20:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

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Anderson .Paak → Anderson Paak – Per MOS:TM. The period is not included in reliable sources such as LA Weekly and Rolling Stone. 153.229.103.39 (talk) 21:37, 1 September 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 02:12, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose The period seems to be the name used by the artist in official contexts and is backed up in use by reliable sources such as NPR and TIME.--Yaksar (let's chat) 11:46, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

• It doesn't look like "a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character when discussing the subject." Additionally, it must be consistent with other articles such as Skate (video game) and Janet (album). nominator/153.207.107.200 (talk) 13:06, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

• When the majority of sources use a name, and we know with certainty that it is the correct and official one used, it makes little sense to go by a name we know to be incorrect and used by a minority of reliable sources. Recent discussions such as Talk:RZA have followed a trend of using common sense in similar situations, rather than following a guideline that is often disagreed with and ignoring common and official usage.--Yaksar (let's chat) 13:57, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

• "RZA" doesn't seem like a very good example. The person known by that name said it is an acronym (and "RZA" would be the ordinary way we would render an acronym in English, and thus does not violate any guideline), and "Rza" doesn't really fit into what we would call ordinary English, since it doesn't contain a vowel between the "R" and "z" and appears unpronounceable as English. It also doesn't include a full stop, so it's rather off-topic. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:17, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

• Or GZA then. And I'd say it's pretty on-topic -- both are examples of cases where a resounding consensus agreed the logical choice was to use a the name known to be correct and used in a majority of reliable sources.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:42, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

• GZA doesn't seem very on-topic either. As I previously commented above about "RZA", "Gza" doesn't really fit into what we would call ordinary English, since it doesn't contain a vowel between the "G" and "z" and appears unpronounceable as English. I think the six examples I listed below are more on-topic, as they involve decorative full stops. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:10, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

• Support: As long as some reliable sources omit the decorative full stop, we should avoid it here. Wikipedia guidelines say to avoid this sort of decorative styling when possible. See the MOS:TM and its examples of skate., Se7en, and Alien³, and also see other decorative full stop omissions at Bakuman, Fun (band), India Arie, Janet (album), Melody (Japanese singer), Shakira (album). —BarrelProof (talk) 03:59, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

  Not only is the "." missing from "Anderson Paak" in some cited third-party reliable sources such as LA Weekly and Rolling Stone, but it is also missing from the cited site of the artist's own label: http://www.steelwoolentertainment.com/label. It is interesting that one of the commenters above mentions TIME, since that is one of the examples used in MOS:TM. Per MOS:TM, Wikipedia avoids using TIME; it uses Time instead. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:03, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

• Support. The period is a silly affection not universally used and in conflict with the MOS. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:33, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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Singles section is wrong

The fist single listed in the singles section "Whatever at Fike"[12] is not an Anderson Paak song — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.124.79.54 (talk) 20:19, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Did you fix it?-maybe make an account so I can reply to you. Thanks. I'll try to help. Give me a moment. Endercase (talk) 23:35, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Video of an interview as a citation for legal name.

Hello, long time editor but have not used a video as a citation before. There have been numerous edits and reverts to his legal name. I corrected the last one and added two citations of good standing but am concerned it will be an area of contention for a while as a few websites are proliferating the incorrect version of his name. I have found a Hot97 Interview on Youtube where Anderson himself, clarifies his legal name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BIHAfQemriU#t=25 Can anyone help me get a good citation from this that adheres to Wikipedia best practice? Thanks GQsm ^{Talk | c} 17:25, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Anderson .Paak Article Title

It seems as though in the years since the last move of the article there has been a shift in the majority of reliable sources including the period in the artist's name, and I feel that as it is the most commonly known version of the artist's name the article title should reflect this.

It is worth pointing out that the Manual of Styles Trademarks page states "Do not "correct" the spelling, punctuation, diacritics, or grammar of trademarks to be different from anything found in reliable sources—the name should be recognizable as referring to the topic." so citing MOS:TM is not enough to discredit the widespread usage of Anderson .Paak in mainstream sources. Chukulem (talk) 09:15, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

References

I would also like to point out the discussion surrounding keeping the exclamation mark in Panic! at the Disco. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Panic!_at_the_Disco#Requested_move_22_March_2017 Chukulem (talk) 17:53, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Other decisions come from other factors, so the Panic article doesn't have a bearing here. If you think it's time, then start a new RfC. Binksternet (talk) 19:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

I think it's self-evident that I meant the arguments made in the Panic! talk page would apply in the same way here, namely that a period would also not be counted among the "special characters" that MOS:TM says to avoid, that .Paak has used it consistently across all of his albums, and that it has been consistently and continually used across independent reliable sources, so that's why I felt it was beneficial to show an example of why punctuation is acceptable in a Wikipedia article title. Chukulem (talk) 00:46, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Anderson .Paak's occupation

It seems odd to me that this article lists .Paak as a singer and songwriter above his role as a rapper considering the majority of sources talking about him describe him as a rapper first and foremost, and I feel this should be switched around to best describe him. This could possibly be because when his debut album Venice was released he was primarily referred to as a singer, but in the time since then the consensus seems to be that his main identifier is a rapper, most importantly by music publications such as Rolling Stone and Pitchfork. (Also my apologies for what I'm sure is messy or ugly formatting on my part here) Chukulem (talk) 16:43, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Requested move 6 March 2021

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. Reliable sources have been provided in the RM discussion to support Anderson .Paak as the common name.(closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 04:35, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

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Anderson Paak → Anderson .Paak – The 2015 move discussion ended with no period in front of .Paak, because of a few publications, but things have changed since then. A majority of sources are using the period in front of .Paak including the Associated Press which sets an industry style guide. Binksternet (talk) 02:11, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Trademarks. Non-standard stylizations like this are to be avoided in article titles and running text. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:21, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Trademarks. The Manual of Style states "Do not "correct" the spelling, punctuation, diacritics, or grammar of trademarks to be different from anything found in reliable source" and the period is not a special character, it's a punctuation mark. Even if it was a special character however, this would not go against the MoS which states that special characters may be used when "a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name." It isn't just a stylization, it has been consistently and continually used by the artist throughout their career and in all of their releases, as well as by reliable independent sources. If you look him up in recent articles nearly every organization refers to him as Anderson .Paak including Pitchfork, Complex, ETCanada, Exclaim, Billboard, NME, The Fader, Rolling Stone, Consequence of Sound, Dancing Astronaut, The Independent, iHeartRadio, New York Magazine, Forbes, The Verge, NPR, PEOPLE, Esquire and many others. MoS is specifically written to allow for cases such as this and the article title should reflect the common name. Chukulem (talk) 22:07, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Trademarks clearly says to "avoid special stylization...avoid: ... skate.". Rreagan007 (talk) 22:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes and skate. is most commonly referred to as "Skate" in independent reliable sources whereas the period is infrequently used as a stylization for it, so that doesn't address the majority of what I said and quoted. Chukulem (talk) 23:35, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

• Support - It seems that the BBC and The Guardian both use the full stop. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:24, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support - I agreed with Binksternet and Chukulem on this. There are multiple sources as of late that have the period in front of Paak. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 03:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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RfC

There is disagreement over what should be in the lead sentence. The relevant policy pages are MOS:BLPLEAD and WP:LEADSENTENCE. Should the lead sentence state:

• A. "Brandon Paak Anderson ... is an American rapper, singer, songwriter, record producer, and drummer.",
• B. "Brandon Paak Anderson ... is an American singer, rapper, songwriter, record producer, and drummer.",
• C. "Brandon Paak Anderson ... is an American vocalist, songwriter, record producer, and musician." or
• D. Something else (please explain what).

2600:6C40:5400:5E68:438:FAF0:E155:9003 (talk) 08:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

A or B order is insignificant in my mind; A and B are more specific than C. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 14:08, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

This was not properly tagged as an RfC, so I have now done so. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 19:34, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

• A, I think of him as a rapper more than a singer.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:03, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

  What do the sources say though? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:36, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

• B: https://www.allmusic.com/artist/anderson-paak-mn0003274605/biography —23.84.172.8 (talk) 15:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
• A Seems like the most accurate to me. B is also acceptable. GoldMiner24 ^Talk 02:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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