Talk:Adam Kwasman

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Other living people[edit]

Earlier drafts of this article had information concerning other living people who are not notable and are not well-known. While this information may be interesting it adds very little value to the encyclopedia. WP:Biographies of living persons concerns trump what little value is added. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bus load of kids "material"[edit]

I added the material back. Google Adam Kwasman. What results do you get? This incident.

I'm sorry that this might hurt your political views, but this incident has become a major incident in this individuals notarity. If you don't want to include this material, consider putting this page up for deletion. - strateego — Preceding undated comment added 23:36, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi strateego, inclusion or not, has nothing to do with my political views. How biographical will this be in a year or two? This really seems to be more of a gottcha type, political, blog, opinion story. That said, even that type of "material" does make it in to bios when its SO widely covered that the coverage itself becomes notable and can't be ignored. I still would wait to see if anything else "develops" out of this "story" before inclusion. I doubt this will be more than a footnote in years to come, but we will see.--Malerooster (talk) 00:51, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Malerooster, Unless Mr. Kwasman wins the election, the only information the will remain available online about him will be the YMCA incident. Look at the google results for Adam Kwasman, until he does something more noteworthy, this will be his legacy on the internet. So I am restoring the information about this. If he loses the election, this will be an example of how to not try to get a soundbite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.188.133.200 (talk • contribs)
Hi 50.188.133.200, first, thank you for coming to the talk page, unlike some of the other IPs. At one point, somebody made the suggestion of deleting the bio as non noteworthy. I have no problem with that. I am not sure the level of a politician that is required to have an article so I will defer to others on that. If this really turns out to be the only "info" on the subject, then he shouldn't have an article. I would refer you to read our policy on biographies of living persons. It really seems that this "material" is only being included for partisan purposes to make the subject look bad (which again, I have no opinion if he is or isn't). Has this "event" risen to the level worthy of inclusion in such a thinly written bio? I am still not convinced of that. Just because this made the TV show rounds and was picked up by others, doesn't mean it automatically deserves inclusion. --Malerooster (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
According to wikipedia BLP page we must "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." Even if you think the information is biased, we must include it because without the information we are not providing "*ALL* significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. Whether you like it you not, we would be biased by not allowing the information to be included. Anything that is written about a politician will be accused of being biased. If this bio is thinly written, we must include the information, it is his legacy online and in politics unless he rises above his political mistake. Until that time, this is part of his biography, and not including this information is partisan bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.188.133.200 (talk) 13:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this "material":

In 2014, Kwasman protested a busload of Arizonian children attempting to attend a YMCA camp, falsely believing that they were undocumented migrants.Resnik, Brahm (16 July 2014). "Arizona politician mistakes YMCA campers for migrant children". www.azcentral.com. Gannett. Retrieved 16 July 2014. A video clip in which Kwasman made this claim went viral on 16 July. He later apologized for his mistake, noting that the YMCA kids "looked sad too," but not before he was mocked by the media."Arizona politician mistakes YMCA campers for migrant children". AZCentral."GOP Congressional Candidate Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrant Kids". Mother Jones.

as not being really that notable. If this is still a big deal in a year, maybe revisit then. Did this make the rounds on the talkingheads TV shows? I don't watch much tv, so just wondering. Thanks, --Malerooster (talk) 21:47, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would also question the material about him being a frequent guest on the radio show, is that notable or widely covered? --Malerooster (talk) 21:49, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you've got somebody who's stalking AZ schoolkids until he can "see the fear on their faces", surely that's notable. Hcobb (talk) 22:01, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
slalking? I chuckled at that. This still seems like talkingheads type material, but time usually tells. --Malerooster (talk) 22:07, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Im new to this, the information about the bus is accurate why not leave it on there; what is the downside to more information in an article. I can understand deleting incorrect information but no one is disputing the truth of this incident. And yes it did go pretty viral and made MSNBC talking head TV shows — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArenasAgentZero (talk • contribs) 03:45, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The "downside" is that by including it, Wikipedia is "endorsing" this "material" as relevant, noteworthy, and NOT agenda given for partisan purposes. Is that the case? Not really convienced of that at this point. Just because MSNBC makes hay of this doesn't mean we need to. --Malerooster (talk) 15:50, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed this "material" again. Maybe we could have a RFC or visit the BLP board? Has anything else "developed" or come of this since the "incident"? --Malerooster (talk) 13:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's been placed back in, and it should stay in, perhaps with editing for both sides. The incident is by far the most famous thing Kwasman has ever done, and since our readers are surely going to be looking for it, we would look silly, or worse, as censoring the facts. Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not censored, nor do we endorse any candidate or side. Bearian (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why are they looking for it? Because it was on Rachael Maddow? This project should be above this type of garbage. --Malerooster (talk) 14:27, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously, have you seen the "garbage" we have here? Take a look at WP:ODD. Wikipedia has no shame. Bearian (talk) 15:29, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bearian, unfortunately yes. Especially my spelling :). Just because other stuff exists, is never an excuse for leaving "material" like this in. I agree that at a minimum, a rewrite of this episode is in order. Also, I would use the word "infomous" rather than "famous" to describe his "actions". At this point, I am more than on the record for removal and leaving it as written serves only to show the project's bias and warts. Cheers --Malerooster (talk) 15:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notability clearly established[edit]

State legislators are inherently notable; there is no way this article would be deleted, regardless of the eventual outcome of the discussion of the bus incident (which is certainly the best-known thing about him at this time). --Orange Mike | Talk 06:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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