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Sources for the Akban article[edit]

I find that placing the "sources" template is superfluous. Enlisted are the two biggest online newspapers in Israel. Moreover, placing the whole article under "sources needed" shadows all the facts on it. A better approach would be the "citation needed" template if the editor doubts a particular fact.

The whole sources needed smells of personal interest in undermining an organization who created the only non-commercial media capable martial arts encyclopedia.

As I am in a slow and very cultural exchange of opinion with Nate1481 I am sure that this is not the case.

I admit that an organization that is working on Bujinkan syllabus augmented with BJJ ([1]),([2]) sounds too good to be true, but images, serious creative commons web project and the sources state the opposite.

I'm removing the "sources needed" template and will look further to sources outside of Israeli media.

The template was the {{Primary sources}} one, as the majority if not all of the English sources link to the AKBAN website. While the Hebrew sources may be valid, this is the English wikipedia so it is hard for a majority of editors and readers to validate those sources. --Nate1481(t/c) 16:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

info box[edit]

Might i suggest you use {{Infobox martial art school}} instead fo the generic school one? --Nate1481(t/c) 16:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, I see your point and I'll abide by it[edit]

As I have a watch over this page and studied in Akban, I was delighted that somebody corrected the stub that was Akban article in the wikipedia, I guess they did not use the martial arts template because it focuses on "founder stuff" and that is definitely not the main point in this school.

  • I added a link to a web magazine (Ura@Omote) that depicts the atmosphere and the participant Instructors of the first state sanctioned Ninjutsu instructors' course.
  • Also added a video done by the NHK on Akban.

Till the time when some application might translate Hebrew sources into English most of the sources will remain obscured from the English user.

Pertaining the facts stated in the article that are not supported: it seems that most of the facts are supported by images and Hebrew newspaper articles. Can this constitute an essential problem or does this article contributes facts to human knowledge?

An edit war about facts signifies unclear facts - hopefully the basic facts of the article will prove as accurate over time, more English sources supporting the article will hopefully be written.

Koryu oriented[edit]

What is meant by this description? Bujinkan itself as been several times rejected by the Japanese board which registers koryu arts, because it's basically Hatsumi's own interpretation and composite of lots of stuff, and this style is derived from that. It seems pretty much that this is the exact opposite of koryu, that is the rigidly defined traditional martial arts of Japan, since it is a modern composite, and contains lots of things that don't even originate in Japan... This of course is not a judgment on its effectiveness or anything like that, if anything the koryu styles are probably 'worse' in many ways for the modern world than modernized martial arts.85.157.155.247 (talk) 16:54, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In no way does the article state that AKBAN is a koryu. I agree with all you wrote above on the subject of Bujinkan.

Koryu oriented speaks of the orientation of the AKBAN school which is not toward a martial sport or a self defense system per se. The Orientation can be observed to stem from the AKBAN ethical code in which only one paragraph speaks of Professionalism and the rest are a modern depiction of old school, koryu, values (Insight, Friendship, responsible use of power, Perseverance, Sensitivity, Honesty and preservation of knowledge). Gingihan (talk) 17:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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