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Merger proposals[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of the discussion was Consensus to merge Ping to Eagles247 incase they wish to perform the merger. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 21:39, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 Arizona Hotshots season →merge→ Arizona Hotshots
2019 Atlanta Legends season →merge→ Atlanta Legends
2019 Birmingham Iron season →merge→ Birmingham Iron
2019 Memphis Express season →merge→ Memphis Express
2019 Orlando Apollos season →merge→ Orlando Apollos
2019 Salt Lake Stallions season →merge→ Salt Lake Stallions
2019 San Antonio Commanders season →merge→ San Antonio Commanders
2019 San Diego Fleet season →merge→ San Diego Fleet

I am proposing to merge all individual 2019 AAF team season pages into their respective main team pages. Since the AAF has folded and only one season was played, there is no need to have a separate article for their teams' lone season. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose this for the San Diego Fleet. There is way too much information in the "season" article, it would totally mess up the article about the team. We normally have an article for the season; I see no reason not to just because there was only one season. ~~(I take it there is there no central discussion about this; it's to be decided for each team article separately? Pinging @Eagles247: )~~ -- MelanieN (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2019 (UTC) Never mind; I now see that this is supposed to be the central discussion. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:04, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on similar grounds to Melanie, but for all teams. As bleh as some teams were (such as 2-6 Memphis & Atlanta), the teams were sufficient enough to warrant separate season pages. Plus I feel it’s more sorted this way. James-the-Charizard (talk) 23:43, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@MelanieN: @James-the-Charizard: I created a quick merge for Arizona Hotshots to illustrate what the pages would generally look like. Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagles247: I will admit it came better than I thought. I will officially be neutral/undecided while I think this over. James-the-Charizard (talk) 00:11, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support The teams folded just after one season, thus their scope is nearly identical. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 09:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Soft oppose~~; I feel like the articles are less cluttered when they are separate. ~~I also don't see how separate articles are doing any harm.~~ PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOHARM. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Struck, above reasoning still stands; I think separate articles are more easily navigated and read. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@PCN02WPS: Thanks. And just to be sure, you're saying that this example of a proposed merge is too cluttered in your opinion? Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:19, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagles247: Hadn’t taken a look at that yet. Actually looks really good and doesn’t look as cluttered as I would have thought, so changing my !vote to support merge, assuming season articles are turned into redirects. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:25, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose due to the fact that the individual season articles are basic formats for most sports teams' seasons on Wikipedia. Plus, this helps keep too much information about specific games away from an article meant to discus the organization and not a certain season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WKHR (talk • contribs) 00:03, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Most sports teams also have more than one season played, so I'm not sure that argument holds here. Did you look at my proposed merge example above? Eagles 24/7 (C) 22:10, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support It is not necessary to repeat/duplicate content between two pages for a sports team that only existed for one year. BLAIXX 15:18, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support I find it unnecessary to have two pages for information that could reasonably fit into one, especially due to the fact that the league existed for two months. The eight weeks that were played consist of most of the stories for each of these teams, and should be included as part of its short history, not as a separate "flowing" article that features statistical data that is normally continually updated until a succeeding season begins. The abrupt nature of the ending of the league only adds to this context. jbc18 19:27, 26 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbc18 (talk • contribs)
Support makes sense considering they all only played one season. Intricate details about the individual games played for a league that only last 1 season probably aren't notable enough to be included. A quick game summary, or better yet, a summary of the season in prose is better suited. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:19, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support I support the merging under the condition that none of the information is removed/deleted. For example, individual game summaries that were written at the time are still valid, notable information, and should not be deleted, or compressed into a single 'season summary'. The "season" article should basically be tacked on to the bottom of the existing "team" article, much like the sandbox example given above. I was originally leaning oppose or neutral, but after consideration, I agree. The league is completely defunct, there is really no distinction between the team and the partial season that was played. Merging them in this case, is actually more organized. Doctorindy↔Talk 18:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support I believe that is makes sense for some of the mediocre or worse teams (Iron, Legends) but as for cases as better teams (Commanders, Fleet) it makes more sense to leave them separateGeminiJets10 (talk) 19:47, 19 September 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Did the "better" teams receive significantly more media coverage? Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:51, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support as much as I hate to disagree with my friend Melanie, I think the lasting notability of these seasons and the teams are tied together and the merge of the Hotshots done by Eagles shows that this can be done in a way that preserves lasting encyclopedic content. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.