Talk:1886 St. Croix River log jam/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 16:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I'll be taking a look at this article for the January 2022 GAN backlog drive. If you haven't already signed up, please feel free to join in! Although QPQ is not required, if you're feeling generous, I also have a list of GA nominations of my own right here.

• Thank you @GhostRiver for starting the review! I'd be happy to help with your articles, but I think you'd fare better with a reviewer with more knowledge of North American sports (I have watched the grand total on one baseball game, Twins versus Red Sox, but that was a long time ago). —Kusma (talk) 09:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Lede

• Add a sentence about the clearing of the jam

  Done.

Background

• I don't love phrases in parentheses, and I don't think the informal name needs to be included if it's not relevant to the article itself

  Removed.

• Link logging

  Done, also added a link to log driving

• This was a winter activity, as the trees were so large that the only way to move them through the forests was by horse-drawn sleds. Slightly unclear connection; I suppose the sleds necessitate that this be done in winter, but it's not immediately clear

  Checked the source and mentioned ice, which hopefully makes it clearer.

• "or its tributaries" → "and its tributaries"

  Yup, done.

Causes and start of the 1886 log jam

• Specify somewhere in the first sentence that the river splits present-day Minnesota and Wisconsin, as just saying Interstate State Park does not make that explicit to people not familiar with the region

  Added.

• Don't love the use of the phrase "blown up", feels a little informal

  Changed one of them; the other one is close to a quote.

• could deal with and pile up, don't end sentences with prepositions

  Used other words

Clearing the log jam

• It was feared by whom?

  Rephrased.

• Using ropes, land-based steam engines and horses tried to pull out logs from the jam. Awkward sentence construction; while it shows now that the engines and horses were the ones using the ropes, a first read suggests that some unnamed force was using ropes, engines, and horses

  Rephrased, and added a mention of how much rope must have been breaking

Tourist attraction

• Replace the parentheses with a colon introducing the specific example

  Done.

• so were highly welcome events there awkward phrase construction

  Tried to improve

The end of log jams

• Section appears a little threadbare. Current sentence reads as a theoretical; was the Nevers Dam successful? Were there more major log jams after the one in 1886?

  Expanded a tiny bit. It seems the 1886 log jam was the last one.

References

• Good

General comments

• Images are properly licensed and relevant
• No stability concerns in the revision history
• The pull quote has long since gone into the public domain
• I'm conflicted on whether you should use the conversion template on many of these values, and whether the benefit of adding conversions to metric units would be worth the impeded reading flow when such large numbers are involved

  I'm not convinced it would help to convert the board feet to cubic meters. (I am metric born and bred, but I can imagine a foot-wide inch-thick and a couple foot long board, while I don't quite know how to imagine many of those piled up to a cubic meter). I have converted a newly-added 11 miles to kilometres.

Thank you for your patience as I deal with my migraine headaches. Putting on hold for now. Feel free to reach out with questions, and please let me know when you're finished. — GhostRiver 16:50, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the helpful feedback, all good points! I'll get to these either tonight or over the weekend. Sorry to hear about your migraines -- get some rest. Even when I'm done with the edits, no need to reply quickly if you're not feeling well. —Kusma (talk) 17:32, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@GhostRiver, would you like to take another look? (As I said, no need to hurry). —Kusma (talk) 00:08, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

All of my comments have been sufficiently addressed, passing now. — GhostRiver 16:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)