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metres, yards, feet, long tonnes, number of awards, low limit of the two thousand whatever they are, upper limit etc? A bit vague. i presume I need to already know a lot about climbing terminology ore something. I don't. this is an encyclopedia where I come to find out what I need to know, not to be excluded by some kind of "in the know" talk 185.47.218.165 (talk) 23:23, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]