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Animal stereotypes of Jews in Palestinian discourse

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... that several variants of a Palestinian children's song contain the phrase "the Jews are our dogs"?

Source: Nazzal, Nafez & Leila (1996). "The Politicization of Palestinian Children: an Analysis of Nursery Rhymes". Palestine-Israel Journal. 3 (1).

El-Masri, Yafa (2019). "I Will Never Sell My Father's Shop" (PDF). Jousour (2). Lebanese Palestinian Dialogue Committee: 16.

Langton, James (2007-05-12). "Life as an infidel". The Observer. ISSN 0029-7712. Retrieved 2024-04-24.</ref>

- ALT1: ... that when Hamas took responsibility for the 1995 Beit Lid suicide bombing it said that it had killed and injured 20 pigs and 60 monkeys? Source: Oliver, Anne Marie; Steinberg, Paul F. (2006-04-27). The Road to Martyrs' Square: A Journey into the World of the Suicide Bomber. Oxford University Press. pp. 101–102. ISBN 978-0-19-802756-0.
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Created by Vegan416 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Vegan416 (talk) 21:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC).

This proposal is simply outrageous and Wikipedia should not stoop so low as to advertise this sort of thing. Regarding the requirement of "well-sourced and neutral", the article is under serious dispute over its neutrality. Zero^talk 13:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

1. Not a serious dispute, and it will be resolved long before the reviewers will get to this DYK suggestion weeks from now.

2. Wikipedia "stooped so low" as to publish this in DYK on March 28:"... that Aaron Bushnell said that his action of setting himself on fire was less extreme than "what people have been experiencing in Palestine at the hands of their colonizers". What's the difference? Vegan416 (talk) 15:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

1. On the contrary, the dispute is deep and serious, making the article unstable. It definitely will not be allowed to remain in its present state. 2. While I would not have submitted the Bushnell proposal, the fact that Vegan can't see the difference between a political statement and hatred of an ethnic group is telling. Zero^talk 08:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Not at all. The dispute is only about how to present the background. There is no dispute about the truth of the core facts presented in the article. And unless people would try to destabilize the article nefariously to disrupt the DYK process, it would naturally stabilize long before it reaches the DYK reviewers a few weeks from now. And Zero still hasn't explained what is "outrageous" here. This is a true fact. Why should it be censored? Vegan416 (talk) 09:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Did you know about this Israeli song? Nishidani (talk) 12:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

How is this relevant to this DYK suggestion? Vegan416 (talk) 15:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

These hooks are on the wrong side of WP:DYKGRAT's prohibition against "excessively sensational or gratuitous hooks"; I would suggest proposing a new hook Vegan416. That simply may not be possible, which is fine. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Please explain why do you think so.Vegan416 (talk) 10:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Even by the standards of the Israeli-Palestine topic area, this topic is controversial and sensational. I am using my editorial discretion, as someone who has promoted over a thousand hooks, to say that these two cross the line. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

How are these hooks more controversial and sensational than this hook that was published on DYK on March 28:"... that Aaron Bushnell said that his action of setting himself on fire was less extreme than "what people have been experiencing in Palestine at the hands of their colonizers"? Vegan416 (talk) 13:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, how are these hooks more controversial and sensational than this hook that was published on DYK on November 21, 2023: ".. that the novel Minor Detail is based on a true story of a 1949 gang rape and murder of a young Arab Bedouin-Palestinian girl by Israeli soldiers?"

Or that from January 24 this year: ".. that Nakba denial is a form of historical negationism pertaining to the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight?" Vegan416 (talk) 19:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I would say they're more sensational than any of those. See editorial discretion line above. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: Without bringing up the article content concerns, would rejecting ALT0 and only allowing ALT1 solve the issue? There do seem to be strong objections from multiple editors against ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, that's probably worse. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Unless a new hook is proposed that can get editorial consensus, there does not seem to be a path forward for this nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I haven't seen a reasoned explanation why this is not OK except for "editorial discretion" which might be just a fancy name for Wikipedia:I just don't like it. Anyway, putting that aside, I'll come up with new hooks later.Vegan416 (talk) 12:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)