Talk:Artificial intelligence

First paragraph

Hi, I saw that you made some modifications, Maxeto0910. Most of it looks good. But for the introduction, the version before the modifications looks more concise and all-encompassing. You had a clear sense of what the 3 main definitions are.

For the first sentence, I'm ok with the modifications, except that it's not clear that it is the "broadest sense".

For the second sentence, saying that AI is mainly about the automation of "tasks typically associated with human intelligence" looks pretty correct. But the part "through machine learning, it develops and studies methods and software which enable machines to perceive their environment and take actions that maximize their chances of achieving defined goals" seems to already focus on a particular type of AI, the kind of AI agent based on machine learning.

Anyone else has an opinion? Alenoach (talk) 00:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I found the old introductory paragraph concerning the definitions to be too unspecific, uninformative and simply not detailed enough. I think that the reworded one gives readers more context and information for a better sense of understanding. The old one was probably easier to understand, yes, but not providing a deep and comprehensive understanding of the underlying principles, as it was too general, at least in my opinion. If you find the new introduction to not be concise enough or easy to understand for laymen, we could consider a "Introduction to artificial intelligence" article when we realize that we find it too difficult to strike a balance between comprehensibility and comprehensiveness, as we have for other complex topics such as evolution.

I wrote "broadest sense" to make clear that there are several definitions (AI as intelligent machines, a field of research, and self-learning machines), which also don't contradict each other. And "intelligence of machines" is arguably by far the most known, simplest and most basic definition of AI.

Sure, AI systems don't necessarily have to incorporate machine learning techniques, which enable them to continuously improve their performance, as they can also have a fixed level of performance which was entirely human-programmed instead of machine-learned. Nonetheless, it is definitely the focus of modern AI research, which I wanted to make clear by writing "focusing on". But I agree that this part could sound misleading to some readers who don't know this, causing them to wrongfully assume that this is the focus of all AI research. If you have any suggestions for making it clear that this is merely the main focus of most modern AI research without making it too complex, let me know.-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 00:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Two changes I would like to make if it's okay with you. (1) Scratch "Machine learning". (Machine learning is still a subfield of AI, and other kinds of AI techniques (such as logic) will probably become important again as we try to make learning systems more verifiable, explainable and controllable.) (2) Scratch the reference to humans, out of respect for the long-running debate about "intelligence in general" vs. "human intelligence" (see section on "defining AI" in this article). Okay? --- CharlesTGillingham (talk) 21:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

The claim that AI focuses on the automation of intelligent behavior through machine learning is simply false, and the qualification "through machine learning" should be deleted. The contrast between human and machine intelligence is also false. It is contradicted, for example, by the material in such books as Levesque's "Thinking as Computation" It is also entirely at odds with computational thinking, more generally. Robert Kowalski (talk) 15:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Here is a quote from page 4 of the third edition of the textbook by Poole and Mackworth: "The central scientific goal of AI is to understand the principles that make intelligent behavior possible in natural or artificial systems." I will delete the phrase "as opposed to the natural intelligence of living beings". Robert Kowalski (talk) 10:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I like the "defined goals" bit, as this is very much in line with Russell & Norvig. ---- CharlesTGillingham (talk) 21:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - SP24 - Sect 201 - Thu

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 4 March 2024 and 4 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Xc1181, Kph7917, XiaoyuChennyu (article contribs).

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Cognitive systems

The term "Cognitive system" is redirected to this article on artificial intelligence, although it is not described or even mentioned here. See also [[cognitive computing), where a diagram of a cognitive system is shown. --Bautsch (talk) 07:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

If what you want is for "Cognitive system" to point to cognitive computing instead, I agree that it would make more sense. Alenoach (talk) 21:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Should we add this image?

I reverted the addition of this image. I just wanted to ask whether we should integrate it (or this more readable version) somewhere in the article. The benefit is that it can quickly clarify the hierarchy between AI, ML, neural networks and generative AI, which are commonly confused, so it has some educative value. The cons are that there is already this image in the article, that it is not as aesthetic as the rest, that the text font is relatively small, and that it doesn't seem to integrate well in the introduction with the fact that there is already the artificial intelligence template. One other issue is that while the large majority of modern generative AI models are in practice based on neural networks, it does not seem to be the case for all generative AI models, which makes the hierarchy conceptually shaky. So overall, I would tend to oppose the addition of the image. Alenoach (talk) 21:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it's an over-simplification the focuses too much on the current hotness. If we need such a diagram, I'd prefer a more cluttered diagram over one that implies that there's exactly one interesting aspect of each category.

Maybe it would fit better in the article on generative models. ApLundell (talk) 22:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with the removal. The image is overly simplistic and likely misleading in this article. No image belongs at the very top of the article where this one was placed. And it looks the editor who placed it here has been indefinitely blocked for "Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia." Elspea756 (talk) 13:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

AI on Wikipedia

Hi there AI - people,

I would like to know what the Wikipedia Rules Dictate regarding the AI on this software with a few questions:

1. What kind of general security and user security rules we have here, are extra and private AI - mechanisms allowed to operate here?

2. What kind of known AI - systems the Wikipedia software include?

3. What AI - companies or AI - corporations operate wherein the systems or Wikipedia software in general?

4. How to register a new AI- system or AI bot network to the Wikipedia, if possible and not forbidden by the laws?

5. How transparent is the supervision of AI - technology in- and outside the Wikipedia?

6. Do we have any AI Code of Conduct? Where to find it?

7. What about the other languages? Are the founded AI rules universal within the Wikipedia?

8. How to report when malpractices observed?

9. Any AI jury?

Sincerely,

-- Atlas Kartasto (talk) 14:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the artificial intelligence article, so you are probably unlikely to get responses to a list of nine questions that are unrelated to improving this article. That said, the short answer to probably all of your questions is that wikipedia requires edits to be verifiable by reliable published sources, and user-generated content created by an AI is not verfifiable or reliable. You can check Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources for more information. Elspea756 (talk) 17:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)