Talk:Insurgency in the North Gaza Strip

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related articles

???

This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Project Israel To Do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : Rate the Unassessed Israel-related articles and Unknown-importance Israel-related articles.
Categorization : Diffuse articles from Category:Companies of Israel.
Cleanup : Cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the list by category and the tool's wiki page.
Collaborate : Participate in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration.
Copyedit : Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2005
Deletion sorting : Participate in discussions at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel.
Expand : Ayala Procaccia, Diamond industry in Israel, Edna Arbel, Levin Kipnis, Rami Kleinstein, Sephardic Haredim, Zman Tel Aviv, Nachum Heiman, Public Defence (Israel), Prisoner of Zion, Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu, Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran, Pre-Modern Aliyah
See also Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia.
Geographical coordinates : Add geographic coordinates to Israel articles missing geocoordinate data.
Infobox : Add infoboxes to Israel articles needing infoboxes.
Maintain : See Israel articles needing attention.
Map : See discussion at Module:Location map/data/Israel. Add maps to articles in Wikipedia requested maps in Israel.
NPOV : Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
Photo : Add pictures to articles in Wikipedia requested photographs in Israel.
Stubs : See Israel stubs.
Update : Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People
Other :
- Translate to Hebrew : David Bar-Hayim, Guy Bavli, and Guy Oseary.
- Merge Nahal Rafiah (draft, heb) into Nahal as requested by Wikipedia authority

Palestine

	Palestine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Military history: Middle East

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Middle Eastern military history task force

Warning: active arbitration remedies

The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:

You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive)
You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on any edits related to this topic

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Further information

The exceptions to the extended confirmed restriction are:

Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive.
Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles, but administrators may exercise discretion when deciding how to enforce this remedy on article creations. Deletion of new articles created by non-extended-confirmed editors is permitted but not required.

With respect to the WP:1RR restriction:

Clear vandalism of whatever origin may be reverted without restriction. Also, reverts made solely to enforce the extended confirmed restriction are not considered edit warring.
Editors who violate this restriction may be blocked by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offence.

After being warned, contentious topics procedure can be used against any editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process. Contentious topic sanctions can include blocks, topic-bans, or other restrictions.
Editors may report violations of these restrictions to the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard.

If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first. When in doubt, don't revert!

Edits[edit]

I feel like this page is being overrun by biased editors. All the sources are only from some Arabic website. The page doesn't use a neutral language instead of saying Israeli soldiers and Palestinian militants they just say "Israeli occupying soldiers" and "Palestinian insurgents". רונלד15 (talk) 01:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copy pasted from my talk page

“The Al Jazeera sources only link to the videos describing said operations. There is a language barrier so I only know Arabic and English sources with ease. I’m assuming you are a Hebrew speaker and if you access Hebrew sources feel free to include them too”

additionally the reason Al Jazeera is also used is because it has reporters within Gaza itself unlike other news sources which means it can report more in-depth the situation on the ground The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 09:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's the problem your sources are only from Al Jazeera which doesn't it's reliable. רונלד15 (talk) 12:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Al Jazeera is biased of course but because of the nature of the war (unlike conventional wars for example where there are many reporters) it is the only news channel that actually has reporters there. And I only speak Arabic and English so I am able to access these sources better. If you are able to you can add Hebrew sources (for example ynet or i24 considering you can speak the language and navigate the sources more comfortably), the article still needs work The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 04:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well I can't find any big updates about the operation besides when IDF found a secret Hamas tunnel that was claimed to be an important intelligence office below UNRWA building in Gaza city. Maybe add "citation needed" to the info that Hamas claimes. רונלד15 (talk) 22:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable. Israel announced an operation in zeitoun district recently, I’ll see if I can add that and maybe I’ll try translating Hebrew sources The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 04:42, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent update about the Zeitoun operation isn't fully confirmed by anyone. That the IDF "withdrew" You should maybe add (citation needed) next to it. רונלד15 (talk) 21:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citation seems to be premature too, based on footage from IDF and Al Qassam it seems to be still ongoing The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 13:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today in Ynet they said that the IDF has finished with the operation in Zeitoun. Here is a link https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/sjoirwg66 רונלד15 (talk) 22:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Terms used in the article which don't meet the objectivety criteria[edit]

The article documents the alleged successes of the palestinian organizations in inflicting casualties to the IDF while simulatenously completely ignoring the casualties being inflicted to the palestinian side. Additionally to terms that clearly point on the article being one sided and unobjective, (such as, "hunting" an IDF soldier, "occupation forces", and many others) Wikipedia requires objectivity, and by judging these aspects, article clearly relies on hamas propaganda and tries to paint an alleged picture of hamas success, and consequently, clearly lacks objectivity. Let alone doesn't convey a confirmed information, which raises a doubt regarding the very reliablity of the information, additionally to the other issues mentioned. 2A02:14C:8860:8E:BCF9:909D:E992:904B (talk) 10:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Refer to the discussion above this The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 10:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

stay salty lmao 2607:FEA8:A4E5:6A00:75DD:787E:2298:6B1 (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the Israelis are indeed occupation forces both in Gaza and in the occupied West Bank. That is an objective fact. 2607:FEA8:A4E5:6A00:75DD:787E:2298:6B1 (talk) 14:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I generally agree with this point. The fact that no Palestinian casualties are listed for the al-Shifa hospital raid is strange.

From a Times of Israel article on the raid: "During the raid, which began March 18, the IDF said troops captured some 900 suspects, of whom more than 500 were confirmed to be terror operatives, and killed more than 200 gunmen. Among those killed and detained were top commanders in Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Valuable intelligence was also seized, the IDF said."

Why is such information not included in this article? Even if one argues that this is biased information, many of the claims in the article rely on news articles which quote "The Islamic Resistance" and the Al-Qassam Brigades. See sources 16 and 17 as evidence.

Generally, this article suffers from a highly unbalanced tone. Goobi100 (talk) 17:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect information under Israeli "commanders and leaders"[edit]

By no reasonable standard can many of the soldiers listed on the Israeli side be considered a "commander" or "leader" of the IDF.

For example, Lior Raviv and Matan Vinogradov are both listed in media reports as having the rank of Staff Sergeant and Sergeant First Class respectively. I have not found a single source which refers to either soldier as an officer, let alone commander. Goobi100 (talk) 23:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have heard the ranks are raised posthumously. Otherwise I agree, it should have notable officers, like Hoffman, or haion The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 09:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]