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Abdullah Syafi'i[edit]

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Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article (blogspot) and found in BEFORE do not meet WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  04:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. WP:GNG is met. Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article (WP:NPOSSIBLE). Clicking on the Find sources: news and books links above shows that sustained coverage of Abdullah Syafi'i exists across many independent reliable sources. I have checked some of the non-English news sources using Google translate. Collectively they add up to significant coverage. The sustained coverage is also an indicator of notability (WP:SUSTAINED).-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that on 17 May 2024 WC gudang inspirasi redrafted the article using better sources.[1]-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Imperium (film series)[edit]

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The article is unsourced. I don't see why this topic deserves an article as there are no sources on the Imperium series, only sources on the individual movies. MKsLifeInANutshell (talk) 05:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, primary, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth  // Timothy :: talk  02:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:

    All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)

    Sources
    1. Lam, Yim-hung 林艷虹 (2022-11-24). "優才(楊殷有娣)書院 特色課程培育多元人才" [G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College's special courses cultivate diverse talents]. Hong Kong Economic Journal (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

      The article notes: "優才(楊殷有娣)書院(下稱優才)為直資一條龍學校,小學初小部(小一至小三)位於旺角校舍,高小部(小四至小六)及中學部(中一至中六)則設於將軍澳校舍。 ... 值得一提的是,優才以推動資優教育見稱,校名英文縮寫G.T.,G代表Gifted,即與生俱來的天賦;T是Talent,表示每一個小朋友都有獨特才華,因此提供多元特色課程來培育孩子。"

      From Google Translate: "G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College (hereinafter referred to as G.T.) is a one-stop school under the Direct Subsidy Scheme. The lower primary section (Primary 1 to Primary 3) is located in the Mong Kok campus, the upper primary section (Primary 4 to Primary 6) and the secondary section (Secondary 1 to 6 ) is located at the Tseung Kwan O campus. ... It is worth mentioning that Youcai is well-known for promoting gifted education. The English abbreviation of the school name is G.T., G stands for Gifted, which is innate talent; T stands for Talent, which means that every child has unique talents, so it provides diverse Special courses to nurture children."

    2. Hui, Lok-hang 許珞珩; Cheung, Wai-ting 張瑋婷 (2022-10-24). "升小備戰|直資優才(楊殷有娣)書院小學部 5層架構推動資優教育" [Preparing for primary school entrance|Directly gifted G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College 5-tier structure promotes gifted education] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

      The article notes: "優才(楊殷有娣)書院小學部共有兩個校舍,小一至小三的初小部校舍位於旺角洗衣街,高小與中學部則共用將軍澳調景嶺嶺光街校舍。學校由天才教育協會會長李業富教授於1996年創辦,多年來均實行小班教學及分組學習形式,老師會按學生的能力及長處分成小組,每班6組、每組約4人,不同科目也採用此形式上課。"

      From Google Translate: "The primary school of G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College has two school buildings. The junior school building for primary one to primary three is located on Sai Yee Street, Mong Kok. The upper primary school and the secondary school share the Ling Kwong Street school building, Tiu Keng Leng, Tseung Kwan O. The school was founded in 1996 by Professor Li Yipfu, President of the Gifted Education Association. For many years, it has implemented small class teaching and group learning. Teachers will divide students into groups according to their abilities and strengths. Each class has 6 groups with about 4 people in each group. Different subjects are also included in the school. Take this class."

    3. Hui, Melody (2023-05-09). "優才小學5.13開始報名 校長分享3大面試貼士 小朋友有一個特質最重要" [G.T. Primary School starts registration on May 13. The principal shares 3 interview tips. There is one trait that is most important for children.]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

      The article notes: "直資一條龍小學優才(楊殷有娣)書院小學部每年吸引超過3,000人報讀小一,學校推行獨特的教學模式,及深受家長喜歡小班教學,以每級5班、每班不超過26人,每年提供約130個小一學位,平均27人爭1學位,競爭非常激烈。本周六(13日)為2024/25年度小一報名日期,陳偉傑校長回覆記者查詢時,分享學校的教學特式、面試貼士及模式。優才最吸引家長的其中一個原因是一條龍學校,逾九成學生直升中一,而中學部同時開辦中學文憑試(DSE)及國際預科文憑(IB)雙軌課程,小學學生在無需面對升中選校的壓力下,可充分享受校園學習生活。"

      From Google Translate: "The primary section of the DSS one-stop primary school Youcai (Yang Yin Youdi) College attracts more than 3,000 students to apply for primary one every year. The school implements a unique teaching model and is well received by parents for its small class teaching. There are 5 classes per level and no more than 26 students per class. There are about 130 primary one places available every year, and an average of 27 people compete for one place. The competition is very fierce. This Saturday (13th) is the registration date for Primary One students in 2024/25. When responding to reporters’ inquiries, Principal Chen Weijie shared the school’s teaching style, interview tips and models. One of the reasons why Youcai is most attractive to parents is that it is a one-stop school, with more than 90% of students going directly to Form 1. The secondary school also offers dual-track courses of Diploma of Secondary Education (DSE) and International Baccalaureate Diploma (IB), so primary school students do not have to face Under the pressure of choosing a school for high school, you can fully enjoy campus study life."

    4. Chan, Yik-chiu 陳奕釗. "香港學校|優才(楊殷有娣)書院壓縮正統課程 特色教學培育優秀學生" [Hong Kong School|G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College compresses the orthodox curriculum and cultivates outstanding students with unique teaching]. am730 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

      The article notes: "優才(楊殷有娣)書院特別注重兩文三語、語文能力及溝通技巧。學校不單實行普教中,更讓學生學習法文、韓文、日文、意大利文及西班牙文等第三語言。... 成績方面,學校前年出了3位IB狀元,在全球3,500所IB高中學校中名列第11,香港則排名第3。2023年該校學生IB成績亦不俗:有一個45分狀元、兩個44分榜眼。而本屆69位畢業生中,該校有86%同學在Jupas獲得好成績,能入讀心儀大學及課程,"

      From Google Translate: "G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College pays special attention to biliteracy, trilingualism, language proficiency and communication skills. The school not only provides general education, but also allows students to learn third languages ​​such as French, Korean, Japanese, Italian and Spanish. ... In terms of results, the school produced three IB top scorers the year before last, ranking 11th among 3,500 IB high schools in the world, and Hong Kong ranked third. The IB results of the school's students in 2023 are also good: there is one top scorer with a score of 45, two top scorers Second place with 44 points. Among the 69 graduates this year, 86% of the school’s students obtained good results in Jupas and were able to enter the university and course of their choice."

    5. "Direct Subsidy Scheme Schools". South China Morning Post. 2009-06-13. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.

      The article notes: "Founded in 1997 as a private school and turned DSS in 2002. Merged with Chi Kit School in 2004. Multiple intelligence approach emphasising creativity, self-esteem and social responsibility. Class size: Primary 24; Secondary 24-26. School-based and activity-based curriculum. Over 50 talent classes, run by part-time tutors in small groups, offered twice a week as part of the curriculum. Regular visits to museums and other places of interest. Enhancement for gifted children. Secondary curriculum will lead to HKCEE, HKALE, and other public benchmark tests, IB Diploma may be offered in 2009. Medium of instruction: Primary: Cantonese, with English taught by native speakers. Secondary: English, except Chinese and Chinese history."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College (traditional Chinese: 優才(楊殷有娣)書院; simplified Chinese: 优才(杨殷有娣)书院)) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 08:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply, promo, interviews, all obviously based on the same info/source, nothing above show WP:SIRS or notability, they just show marketing at work. Nothing wrong with promotion, but it doesn't equal notability.  // Timothy :: talk  12:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Angna (TV series)[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 00:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Yes it fails to meet GNG because I couldn't find sign/in-depth coverage, such as reviews. Some ROTM coverage like this isn't sufficient. The article is based on several unreliable sources. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep While assessing the referencing of Pakistani dramas/series, the dynamics of Pakistani media industry should be considered wherein media groups have their own news and entertainment channels. Normally a news channel from one media group doesn't give coverage to a project of a rival channel unless it's a big hit. So for other dramas we have to rely on other industry sources which otherwise may not be good sources but are fair enough for a Pakistani drama. Muneebll (talk) 18:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But still you have to demonstrate that this TV dramas meet GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That assessment is not based on Wikipedia policy or guidance. In order for an article to be kept it must be demonstrated that it meets WP:GNG at a minimum. Saying that one media group doesn't cover another one is not a reason to keep an article. DonaldD23 talk to me 22:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of The Sarah Jane Adventures minor characters[edit]

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Fails WP:NLIST. Adding together many non-notable topics still gives you a non-notable topic. Some character articles like Sarah Jane Smith are notable but does not support having a list about every character in the series, which do not have significant coverage as required by WP:N. Jontesta (talk) 03:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to The Sarah Jane Adventures. The problem here is less notability, but more size. The list can likely have the bulk of its content merged into the cast list already in the article given the bulk of characters here are at least decently recurring. This feels like it was dropped partway through, since the only characters beyond the significant recurring characters are minor characters from the first episode exclusively. If this does survive, it needs a major TNT/overhaul, but personally I don't see a reason for this to exist just based off of size reasons. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 01:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and possibly rename, or merge to The Sarah Jane Adventures. I am not convinced the split into cast and minor characters is beneficial. So I could imagine keeping and renaming this into List of The Sarah Jane Adventures characters, and include brief descriptions and links to the cast characters, most of whom have their own articles. Seems helpful to me for navigation. With regard to notability, as mentioned above, I question if it makes any sense to try to divorce conventional fiction works from the characters. What would they be without the characters? Of course there still needs to be enough material in secondary sources to write anything. Still, if one wanted to ask for secondary sources specifically discussing the characters of The Sarah Jane Adventures, Dancing with the Doctor discusses them at various places, as does the book mentioned above and others. So even if one wanted to ask for notability of characters as opposed to the series as such, that would still be fullfilled. All that said, I don't have an overview how much the secondary sources in total have to say on characters other than the main cast (and how incomplete the current list is with regards to what Pokelego999 mentioned), so I cannot say if a stand-alone article or a merge would be best in the long run, based on WP:PAGEDECIDE rather than notability. Daranios (talk) 10:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect or merge to The Sarah Jane Adventures per WP:ATD. I only find WP:SIGCOV for characters who already have articles. The minor characters don't have much coverage, but are summed up nicely at the main article. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amsvartnir[edit]

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This subject has only trivial mentions in secondary sources. The article fails WP:NOTABILITY because it does not reach the threshold of significant coverage for a separate article. Jontesta (talk) 03:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeffrey Waldron[edit]

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Fails WP:FILMMAKER. The majority of sources either aren't independent or provide only a passing mention. I found two sources that may contribute to notability ([2][3]). I am not 100% sure about the reliability of the latter source. GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaean Reach[edit]

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Non-notable article composed of unreliable or primary sources. A search showed only trivial mentions, no significant coverage in reliable sources. My assessment is that it does not pass WP:N. Jontesta (talk) 02:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Science fiction BEFORE searches should include scholar and books. PhD thesis from South Africa here has detailed commentary on pp 91-100, and is contrasted to clearly notable science fiction universes like Asimov's Foundation. Also appears to be covered in Handbook of Vance Space by Andre-Driussi, ISBN 978-0964279568, but I am unable to see previews for that. Also appears in Xeno Fiction: More Best of Science Fiction: A Review of Speculative Literature by Broderick and Ikin, ISBN 978-1479400799, but again--I don't have access beyond snippet view, which appears promising. Jclemens (talk) 03:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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PhotoToMovie[edit]

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Non-notable software. A PROD was removed in 2012. SL93 (talk) 02:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: The article author responded to the 2012 PROD by adding 2 online reviews, which we can see now thanks to the Wayback Machine. Both the LAFCPUG (Feb 2005) and Luminous Landscape (Sept 2005) items are informed 3rd party reviews, which might contribute to notability under the WP:NSOFT essay's criterion 3. However I don't think either these or anything else now retrievable is sufficient to demonstrate that this was more than one among several such products. AllyD (talk) 14:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Vietnam representatives at international male beauty pageants[edit]

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Irrelevant and random list of pageant contestants has stood unreferenced for going on a decade. (Last referenced version was November 2015). Better to start over, if someone cares to. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sachiko Furuhata-Kersting[edit]

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Subject is not notable, there are few (if any) reliable sources, and article appears to possibly be created by the subject herself (or someone close enough for a possible conflict of interest) LoganP25 (talk) 03:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NASCAR on television in the 1980s[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent NASCAR fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of announcments, centrally those about the seasons, WP:PRIMARY, mostly dead and redirected pages, TV schedules, those centrally about the season with the broadcasting being merely mentions and most of those being YouTube posts; none of these helping this list to assert notability. An WP:ATD will be to merge to NASCAR on television and radio. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. The events themselves are notable but the topic of whether they appeared or not on television is not. This serves as one massive collection of YouTube links. Ajf773 (talk) 09:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I personally find what networks aired what races interesting, but how it is presented in these decade articles is underwhelming (I understand why these pages will probably be deleted). It's also missing what is highly relevant information (up until the late 80s) regarding what sort of broadcast individual races received: live flag-to-flag coverage, joined in progress, tape delayed, condensed tape delayed, or not broadcast at all. The best place for that would be the individual season articles, though. They already have a section listing the entire schedule of races (not the partial schedules we see in some of these articles). A column for the TV network would be simple enough to add to that table and any out of the ordinary details about the nature of the broadcasts could be added to the sections for the individual races (probably not the broadcasting teams since that would be fairly repetitious). --NHL04 (talk) 05:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a valid split from NASCAR on television and radio, alternatively merge to that target. Splitting individual decades keeps the parent article from becoming too cluttered and unreadable. See WP:SIZESPLIT and WP:NOMERGE. @Ajf773: Deletion is not cleanup. Inappropriate content can be removed without needing to delete everything which would potentially be mergeable. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Remove the YT links then you barely have much left other than unsourced entries. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The events are covered in other articles, for example 1980 NASCAR Winston Cup Series and so forth for every year following that. Those lists are sufficient enough to present what is needed. Ajf773 (talk) 01:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrey Shishkin[edit]

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Self-proclaimed painter. No notability, no significant achievements, no reliable art criticism. Cross-wiki spam. Andrei Romanenko (talk) 18:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. What is a non-self-proclaimed painter? Is it when someone is actually not a painter, but is called such by someone's else? Isn't that called hoax then? Wojsław Brożyna (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AGAINST Ты что, коммунист? что с тобой не так ??? << самопровозглашенный художник >> не можешь терпеть приличное искусство, настоящее, душевное искусство? ахуенный ... 98.240.113.219 (talk) 22:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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very sorry sir just his name is russian i wanted to reply like this i found it to be more pertinent
romanenko's remarks are laced with vitriol below the surface and betray a certain negative attitude, which he also expressed on ruwiki, where he was unfortunately successful in having the corresponding article deleted
@Андрей Романенко tell me that over four hundred paintings like this and reference to your work in scholarly papers is not a 'significant achievement'
how can you call him a 'self-proclaimed painter' looking at the exemplars of his work ???
i have seen on the english-speaking internet several memes using his painting Благословение ратника
this one for example https://ifunny.co/picture/how-it-feels-to-inherit-the-family-suicide-revolver-aUDIhr0PA
they're hard to find by searching, because of course the name and author of the painting are not provided
more professional websites where his work is posted
https://www.rbth.com/arts/335686-ancient-east-slavs-art
https://www.indcatholicnews.com/news/41202
https://christian.art/daily-gospel-reading/luke-2-22-40-2020/
the followers of the rabbi yeshua really like his admittedly charming depiction by the avowed pagan shishkin
some private blogs
https://www.livemaster.com/topic/2998743-legends-and-stories-of-the-artist-andrey-shishkin
https://art-in-eastern-europe.blogspot.com/2016/09/andrey-shishkin.html
not enough criticism for you ? tell me again how he is a 'self-proclaimed painter'
have you painted a wall ? 98.240.113.219 (talk) 03:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bland skurkar, helgon och vanligt folk[edit]

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Failed PROD, dePRODded because Google isn't through enough for a BEFORE check. Unfortunately, I don't have access to other sources, and this article isn't easily redirected. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 00:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Comment: Can somebody check Swedish media for notability? Given that the Swedish page for the article lacks sources, I'm doubtful, but it could breathe life into this article. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. It's a tad difficult to get a good overview of sources from things released in 1999, since the archives tend to be less reliable. Nevertheless, this tour seems to have been one of the most signficant of the year. It got an award from one of the biggest Swedish newspapers, it was talked about as "the best tour" and so on. I've tried to expand the article: The singular focus on the album doesn't make sense to me, when the album was a product of an acclaimed tour. My access to sources of the time is not good enough to split them into two separate articles; they belong together. The article also lacked information about the band, which, yet again, might not work as well in a separate article, but should be briefly explained together with the tour and the album. I've expanded the article somewhat and added sources. /Julle (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed Finland from the deletion sorting. Seems to have been added my mistake instead of Sweden? Don't see the Finnish connection, but please undo my edit if I'm mistaken. /Julle (talk) 09:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, there's quite some significant coverage of the tour, the article should probably be expanded to talk more about the tour/band as the main topic like Julle said, the album seems like it would work better as a section to that article. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gabriel & Co.[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. Not satisfied with the reliability of sources. I could not find anything else online either. GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sayed Abbas Ali Shihab Thangal[edit]

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Fails WP:BASIC. References are trivial mentions or don't mention subject. Can't find anything on Google/news about him. C F A 💬 02:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NominationName[reply]

Chris Miller (West Virginia politician)[edit]

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Non-notable former political candidate. No in-depth coverage outside of his gubernatorial campaign, no real claim to notability. All campaign-related coverage of him is fairly WP:ROTM stuff that you would expect of someone running for governor. Now that his campaign is over, I can't imagine very many people will be searching for him. I'd support a redirect to 2024 West Virginia gubernatorial election. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 02:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Czech Republic men's national water polo team[edit]

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I can find evidence that a "Czech Republic men's national water polo team" actually exists. A few clues:

  • According to European Water Polo Championship, a men's team from Czechia hasn't been fielded since ~1993 when competition was in the name of Czechoslovakia.
  • The sole source on the page links to the women's team. The men's team link is blank going back to 1993.
  • The name of the team on the page, "Český svaz vodního póla," is actually the name of the Czech Water Polo Federation, which organizes domestic competition. The only international competition it references is junior/U16 men, not a senior men's national team.
  • No other reliable sources that I can find, in Czech or English, refer to any variant of a men's national water polo team that actually competes internationally.

Open to other sources that editors may find, but until they appear I cannot even confirm that this subject exists. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KUGB-CD[edit]

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Subject does not meet the GNG. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KBPX-LD[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG; most sources are from the FCC. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Baláž (boxer)[edit]

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With only primary sources listed, this article clearly fails WP:NBOX and WP:GNG. My Google searches came up with Peter Baláž (Esperantist) and a motorcycle driver, both of which are Slovak, but nothing about a boxer with the same birth name. I can't see this article lasting longer-term on Wikipedia. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 09:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no medal means no notability under WP:NSPORT. Can't find any secondary coverage via a search. BrigadierG (talk) 10:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, subject was the starring role in a movie about himself (Goat (2015 film)), and his involvement was covered by such outlets as The Hollywood Reporter[4]. I'm thankful for the nomination because it gives us a chance to improve the article, although I think the nominator did not do WP:BEFORE by looking up the actor's name with the movie's name (Koza) and addressing those sources. --Habst (talk) 12:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I AM the nominator. Sure, not everyone has the same Google search results. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, per the excellent find by Habst. A movie about the subject! BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just to be clear, the movie is fiction, about a fictional Olympic champion. This article is about a fighter who badly lost his only Olympic fight in the round of 32. Boxrec shows he won 3 of his 57 pro fights.[5] He's not notable as a boxer, but feel free to debate his notability as an actor. Papaursa (talk) 04:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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V. N. Srinivasa Rao[edit]

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I do not think that this person meets the criteria for notability. I have been unable to find any reference to him other than the The Hindu article (https://web.archive.org/web/20240317044514/https://www.thehindu.com/features/friday-review/history-and-culture/the-lawyer-as-a-writer/article4683660.ece), which just effectively said it was nice to read. And cryptic metadata from library websites who happen to have the book (which seems to just be stanford and nyu https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/in00000071311 ) Mason (talk) 02:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment he was pretty clearly a Madras barrister[6]. He's cited for appearances a number of times in the Madras Law Journal[7]. I'm not finding a lot more than that.
    Are you questioning whether the Madras chief justices book exists? It is held by 8 WorldCat Participating libraries. The comment about cryptic metadata doesn't make sense. Oblivy (talk) 07:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I believe you are confusing notability and verifiability. Just because a source is hard to find doesn't mean it isn't reliable. See WP:PAYWALL. Goldenarrow9 (talk) 19:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Page fails WP:GNG. No significant coverage on the subject in the sources which are also very likely poor. Subject does not meet basic criteria to be considered notable due to insignificant coverage in multiple published, secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. If this criteria can be met, I would reconsider my vote. RangersRus (talk) 12:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to Closer. Page was created by sockpuppet and is good for WP:G5 speedy deletion. RangersRus (talk) 12:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RangersRus, this article is not eligible for CSD G5. You've made this kind of comment several times which is a mistaken interpretation of G5. Please review WP:CSD carefully. G5 is for block evasion, not simply for being the work of a sockpuppet. Liz Read! Talk! 23:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Executive Committee of Gagauzia[edit]

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Fails GNG, Single source is primary, nothing found in BEFORE that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject 'directly and indepth. Nothing sourced in article for a merge, but no objection if there is a consensus for a redirect to Autonomous territorial unit of Gagauzia  // Timothy :: talk  02:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - there appears to be coverage in English-language scholarly sources ([8] [9], both paywalled but which had substantial text matches in Google Scholar results snippets), and likely more in Romanian, Gagauz, Turkish or other languages. signed, Rosguill talk 15:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy keep‎. Withdrawn, sources found (non-admin closure) PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Wanderer in the Spirit Lands[edit]

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One review. Fails both WP:NBOOK and GNG. I have failed to find a second review despite searching on Newspapers.com, Google News, etc. It is an old book so stuff might be out there that I can't find. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Forgot to mention I did find this one thing. But I'm honestly not sure what it is. It is in Icelandic (?) And might be referring to this book. It is in the newspaper "Heimskringla" from 7 April 1926, page 2. I can't tell how in depth it addresses it either way. If it is a review/analysis/discussion of this and is more than a few sentences I can withdraw this. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PARAKANYAA: Well putting it through Google Translate does seem to show it's somewhat about the book, but Google Translate isn't exactly the best. Interestingly, it gives an alternate name, simply "The Spirit Lands", though searching this also gives little results.
This book, however, is for some reason mentioned in one of Arthur Conan Doyle's works (The Edge of the Unknown), though it doesn't exactly go in-depth:

In a remarkable book, A Wanderer in the Spirit Lands, published in 1896, the author, Mr. Farnese, under inspiration, gives an account of many mysteries including that of fairies. What he says fits in very clearly with the facts that have been put forward, and goes beyond them. He says, speaking of elementals, "Some are in appearance like the gnomes and elves who are said to inhabit mountain caverns. Such, too, are the fairies whom men have seen in lonely and secluded places. Some of these beings are of a very low order of life, almost like the higher order of plants, save that they possess independent motion. Others are very lively and full of grotesque unmeaning tricks... As nations advance these lower forms of life die out from the astral plane of that earth's sphere and succeeding generations begin at first to doubt and then to deny that they ever had any existence."

ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 01:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's also some fairly decent length coverage in Borderland (magazine) (p.241-242, not sure abt reliability) and some short coverage (p. 385) in The Bookseller. A case could also be made for WP:OLDBOOK since it's been mentioned a few times in the 20th/21st century. Based on this and the above, it's probably best to keep. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 02:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with that, I'll withdraw this. I just couldn't find anything minus the one review, and we've found more than that through this AfD so all is well. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Master of Science in Global Finance[edit]

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This appears to be one program for one university that does not seem to be notable in itself. Sargdub (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not only is it unsourced, a quick google search reveals it isn't exclusive to one or two university. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 03:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Monirul Molla[edit]

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I can't find anything beyond match and roster reports—some three years old—that briefly mention him. This may be a WP:TOOSOON situation, but realistically, I think it just fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 00:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yaroslav Kysil[edit]

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The only reference I can find on him is, unfortunately, related to the death of his father in the Russo-Ukrainian War. On his own, nothing but match reports and routine coverage—far short of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Florencio Badelic Jr.[edit]

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I'll admit that I'm a bit unsure about this article. There are a lot of citations in the article, but all of them are routine and/or match reports. There seems to be little or no WP:SIGCOV here. Anwegmann (talk) 00:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alex O'Connor[edit]

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Not yet notable per WP:BIO or WP:ENT. He hosts a podcast that has interviewed many notable people, but on Wikipedia notability is not inherited. The best independent, secondary coverage I can find of O'Connor himself in a WP:BEFORE search is the Oxford Mail story about Hitchens walking out on him during a podcast, but this amounts to WP:BLP1E. The rest of what I can find is all WP:PRIMARY, including YouTube clips of him appearing on GB News, Uncensored, this clip on Daily Caller of Hitchens walking out, etc. Wikishovel (talk) 00:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: No coverage used in the article now in RS and I can only find coverage in Catholic Answers, which I'm not sure is a RS and likely somewhat biased. Agree that the rest of the sources are primary. Oaktree b (talk) 00:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Doesn't seem to have a claim to notability, either in anything he's done in the coverage he's received. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 02:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Gonanes[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Contains only the parent compound, which is alredy in Category:Steroids. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 02:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chinese-language-only video games[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Some of these titles may be available be it digitally or physically outside of China. But I don't follow that logic. Merge. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video games by language[edit]

Nominator's rationale: The reason why I'm deleting these categories are only for video games supported in a single language, and none of these categories are fully-populated either. More importantly many titles only available in a single language can alternatively be found in Category:Region-exclusive video games QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:English-language-only video games[edit]

Nominator's rationale: I am deleting this category along with other Video games by language categories, (expect Chinese-language-only video games, which will merge with China-exclusive video games). Reason: Many English-only titles are otherwise located in Category:North-America-exclusive video games QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Migrant to the Ottoman Empire people from British India[edit]

Nominator's rationale: option A: merge, three categories for only one article is not helpful for navigation. Option B:delete, the article is already in Category:Emigrants from British India and Category:Immigrants to the Ottoman Empire which seems to suffice. For a citizen of the Ottoman Empire it is irrelevant which specific Indian ethnicities all of his ancestors had. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would support either merge or delete, because these categories are very much not helpful for navigation.Mason (talk) 03:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is an institute Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños within Hunter college. This category is too small to be helpful with navigation right now. Mason (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, the upper-level category of City University of New York faculty is for a system of colleges and institutes, and the articles in it should be diffused into the appropriate subcats for each of the different colleges within the system in the same way as categories are done for other university systems. Ideally, all of the articles in the CUNY faculty cat would be diffused into subcats of the different colleges or institutes. Additionally, from what I understand, the centro is housed at Hunter College, but is a separate institute within the CUNY system. Semper Fi FieldMarine (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. No objection to diffusion as such, as long as it colleges are big enough to contain lots of articles, but that does not seem to be the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sugar[edit]

Nominator's rationale: They are too similar MRTFR55 (talk) 16:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Japanese-language-only video games[edit]

Nominator's rationale: There is only a single article in this category, first things first. Second things second, literally every single video game that's only available in the Japanese language is already located in the pre-existing category Japan-exclusive video games. You see, Japan really only speak Japanese and not much else. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Alternative name sounds more consistent with other categories in Scholars and academics by subject Mason (talk) 04:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - as the page creator. I have no objection. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 04:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT, this is just one of many topics that the subjects in this category were involved. No objection to listification. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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FWIW: I was on the fence between deletion and renaming when I made the nom. My hope was that other folks who have strong opinions/knowledge. Mason (talk) 03:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Meal planning apps[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Only a single article inside. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects[edit]

Roman CatholicnDiocese of Nha Trang[edit]

Atypical typo in title. Thousands of diocese, and only one "Catholicn" redirect. BD2412 T 03:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Betamine[edit]

Recommend deletion of this redirect, unless a reliable source can be found that betamine = betanin. Currently, the only evidence that's been presented is a 1980 patent that doesn't exactly say betamine = betanin. Google Scholar turns up three results and Google turns up nothing relevant. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates and Modules[edit]

Template:Arusha Rural District[edit]

Propose merging Template:Arusha Rural District with Template:Arusha District.
{{Arusha Rural District}} is fuller. Template:Arusha District should be turned into a disambiguation because {{Arusha Urban District}} exists as well. Aldij (talk) 14:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Template:Arusha District shouldn't be turned into a disambiguation page and the Rural District main link links to the same article as the main district template. And on top of that, we have Template:Districts of Arusha which features all the same links on the main Arusha navbox, Template:Arusha. This may be a case of merging everything to one template, having sections for all these links, and deleting the rest of the navboxes. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 17:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ToadetteEdit! 00:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dag[edit]

Propose merging Template:Dag with Template:Dagger.
I'm going slightly more "discussion" with this TFD than anything, primarily thinking that {{dag}} should either be merged into {{dagger}} or renamed to make it more obvious as to why it's being used (though expanding the name might then make it longer than just typing out the <sup>...</sup> pair...). As it stands, {{dag}} by itself is potentially confusing (e.g. "what is a dag", or why it gives a superscript output) so I feel like something needs to be done. Primefac (talk) 14:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I find it strange that we still use archaic print notations instead of hyperlinked notes. How are either of those better than a regular {{efn}} note? Gonnym (talk) 15:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: The preferred option is to redirect {{dag}} to {{dagger}}. Given its minimal use, merging simplifies matters. However, if retaining the functionality is crucial, renaming {{dag}} to "superscript-dagger" or "dagger-sup" would clarify its purpose, albeit making it longer. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 02:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell, it's basically only used as part of {{TAAR ligands}}. Do we need a template for this at all? Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 08:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: If choose to merge and retain functionality
{{#if: {{{s|}}} | <sup>†</sup> | † }}

{{dag}} will output †
{{dag|s}} will output <sup>†</sup>
Anoop Bhatia (talk) 13:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ToadetteEdit! 00:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellany[edit]

Deletion review[edit]

Various redirects to List of Argentine films of 1995[edit]

No te mueras sin decirme adónde vas (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)
No te mueras sin decirme adonde vas (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)
Mariposa china (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)
Historia del cine argentino (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)
Noches aticas (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)
Noches áticas (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)
Ninos envueltos (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)
La Nave de los locos (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

Deleted with the rationale "redirect to a list with no other useful information beyond a repetition of the name" which is clearly not a WP:CSD; Template:R to list entry are fairly common in fact many of which offer minimal information. Of course sometimes these are deleted at WP:RFD, but they should receive a discussion where the community has an opportunity to review before being deleted. Deleting admin has not responded to the request for undeletion, as such I am bringing this here. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:FD37:E902:E246:5D16 (talk) 00:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FILM has an established consensus that film titles should not be mere redirects to "list of films of YYYY lists". For various reasons, the titles in Category:Argentine film redirects are not helpful; sometimes the title is not actually present in the list it's been redirected to at all; sometimes it is present and linked as a recursive redirect right back to the same page you're on; sometimes it's present in the list but links a different spelling or capitalization of the same title so it redlinks out from the page; sometimes it's been linked to the wrong list and the film was actually released in a different year; and there's been more than one case identified where the primary topic for a title wasn't actually a film at all, such as Malevo, a dance troupe who you've seen on Got Talent, but whose name was being coopted as a "film-redirected-to-list" whose existence was unverifiable (well, there was a film of that title, but not in the year the title was redirecting to or even a year in the same decade, and certainly not a film that would have held primary topic status over the dancers.)
The helpfulness of such redirects has already been discussed by NFILM, where a consensus was established that they are not valuable, and no further input from new participants (especially anonymous IPs) is either needed or desired, as all the relevant issues have already been hashed out. And RFD has already indicated that they don't want to see every last one of these for days and days of discussion, and has directed me that I am justified in acting boldly on a case-by-case basis after assessing the value and utility and "is there another place this could be redirected to instead of this bad target" reuseability of these redirects.
So no, I'm not taking any clapback from any anons about it, because this has all already been hashed out by active editors. Bearcat (talk) 00:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The community hasn't authorized you, or whoever "they" at NFILM are, to delete these pages by fiat. You can bring them to RFD like anybody else. —Cryptic 01:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The last time I brought a batch of them to RFD, I most certainly was explicitly told to just be bold with them instead of bringing them to RFD over and over again. And where else would one discuss such an issue as the utility of content, besides the WikiProject for that subject area? Bearcat (talk) 01:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As an administrator you are expected to know deletion policy, if you think a handful of people saying you should be bold in a single RFD overrides the strong global consensus the community has embodied at WP:CSD then you should seriously consider refraining from use of the deletion tool until you have refamiliarized yourself with community expectations. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:FD37:E902:E246:5D16 (talk) 01:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have a phrase for administrators who "are bold" with deletion, with ample precedent. That phrase is "desysopped for cause". —Cryptic 01:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProjects have no special power over content, and any user whether registered or unregistered explicitly has a right to request an explanation for administrative actions. If you believe the pages should be speediable then go to WT:CSD and get a consensus for it, but neither you, me, nor anyone else is above deletion policy. Furthermore speedy deletion is fundamentally not the place for boldness, and I would seriously reconsider recalibrating your approach to use of the deletion tool. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:FD37:E902:E246:5D16 (talk) 01:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WikiProjects most certainly do have the authority to establish a consensus around how to deal with the issues that crop up in their domains of expertise, such as "no, film titles that do not have articles should not be summarily redirected to mere lists of films" and/or "no, we do not need to individually rediscuss each separate reiteration of the same thing we've already gone over 200 times, and already established a clear consensus against, before". Bearcat (talk) 01:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They in fact do not, and you have no policy basis for that claim. WP:LOCALCONSENSUS cannot override policy. Go to WT:CSD and get policy changed, but you are not allowed to ignore deletion policy. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:FD37:E902:E246:5D16 (talk) 01:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]