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Current requests[edit]
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- Category:Hewlett-Packard All-in-one computers to Category:Hewlett-Packard all-in-one computers – C2A. DigitalIceAge (talk) 21:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:All-in-one desktop computers to Category:All-in-one computers – C2D. DigitalIceAge (talk) 21:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tajikistan geography templates to Category:Tajikistan geography navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:Tajikistan navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 20:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nettop to Category:Nettops – C2A (plural set category). DigitalIceAge (talk) 18:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Porridge characters to Category:Porridge (1974 TV series) characters – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:SCTV characters to Category:Second City Television characters – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 17:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Loving character redirects to lists to Category:Loving (TV series) character redirects to lists – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 17:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Santa Barbara characters to Category:Santa Barbara (TV series) characters – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 17:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sunset Beach character redirects to lists to Category:Sunset Beach (TV series) character redirects to lists – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 17:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sunset Beach characters to Category:Sunset Beach (TV series) characters – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 17:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NAIA Men's Outdoor Track and Field Championship to Category:NAIA men's outdoor track and field championship – C2D: NAIA men's outdoor track and field championship. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NAIA Men's Indoor Track and Field Championship to Category:NAIA men's indoor track and field championship – C2D: NAIA men's indoor track and field championship. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Georgian-Jewish diaspora to Category:Georgian-Jewish culture – C2C: see other subcategories in Category:Mizrahi Jewish culture. Aldij (talk) 16:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Predator element redirects to lists to Category:Predator (franchise) element redirects to lists – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 16:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:MonsterVerse to Category:Monsterverse – C2D, per recent RM consensus at Monsterverse. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Biblical figures in rabbinic literature to Category:Hebrew Bible people in rabbinic literature – C2C: per Category:Hebrew Bible people. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chabab Ghazieh SC players to Category:Chabab SC Ghazieh players – C2D. Nehme1499 13:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chabab Ghazieh SC managers to Category:Chabab SC Ghazieh managers – C2D. Nehme1499 13:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chabab Ghazieh SC to Category:Chabab SC Ghazieh – C2D. Nehme1499 13:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rebel princes to Category:Princely rebellions – C2D: Princely rebellion. NLeeuw (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this is a category of princes, not so much of rebellions. Perhaps split. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television plays by Phillip Grenville Mann to Category:Television plays written by Phillip Grenville Mann – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Families of Georgia (country) to Category:Families from Georgia (country) – C2A: parent is People "from" Georgia (country) Mason (talk) 04:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brillembourg Family to Category:Brillembourg family – C2A: family is lowercase Mason (talk) 04:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lists of Seychellois musicians to Category:Lists of Seychellois people by occupation – C2F. Mason (talk) 03:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ethnic religion to Category:Ethnic religions – C2B: WP:PLURALCAT. It has two "main articles": List of ethnic religions and Ethnic religion; the first indicates it is common to speak of the topic in the plural. NLeeuw (talk) 22:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Norwegian pornography to Category:Pornography in Norway – C2C: Siblings in Category:Pornography by country. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Israeli pornography to Category:Pornography in Israel
- Category:Lebanese pornography to Category:Pornography in Lebanon
- Category:Nigerian pornography to Category:Pornography in Nigeria
- Category:Polish pornography to Category:Pornography in Poland
- Category:Romanian pornography to Category:Pornography in Romania
- Category:Russian pornography to Category:Pornography in Russia
- Category:Slovak pornography to Category:Pornography in Slovakia
- Category:South African pornography to Category:Pornography in South Africa
- Category:Spanish pornography to Category:Pornography in Spain
- Category:Swedish pornography to Category:Pornography in Sweden
- Category:Swiss pornography to Category:Pornography in Switzerland
- REDIRECT Category:US Gavorrano players to Category:USD Follonica Gavorrano players – C2D Geregen2 (talk) 14:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Apocrypha related with Adam and Eve to Category:Apocrypha about Adam and Eve – C2A, grammar; choosing "about" rather than "related to" C2C with various subcats of Category:Works by topic – Fayenatic London 13:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss character redirects to lists to Category:Hazbin Hotel character redirects to lists – C2D: Entries are (and should) only be for the one series. I've created another category for the other series. Gonnym (talk) 10:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belgium LGBT sportspeople to Category:Belgian LGBT sportspeople – C2C: consistency with Category:LGBT sportspeople by nationality Joeykai (talk) 04:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cook Island Māori people to Category:Cook Islanders – C2D: per Cook Islanders. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Warhammer Fantasy location redirects to Category:Warhammer Fantasy (setting) location redirects – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 02:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Warhammer Fantasy element redirects to lists to Category:Warhammer Fantasy (setting) element redirects to lists – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 02:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Warhammer Fantasy character redirects to lists to Category:Warhammer Fantasy (setting) character redirects to lists – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 02:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kepler-15 system to Category:Kepler-15 – C2C: Also C2D, for Kepler-15. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Equatorial Guinea human rights activists to Category:Equatoguinean human rights activists – C2C: parent is Equatoguinean activists Mason (talk) 01:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Music and Performing Arts Munich alumni to Category:University of Music and Theatre Munich alumni – C2D. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 01:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Academic staff of the University of Music and Performing Arts Munich to Category:Academic staff of the University of Music and Theatre Munich – C2D. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 01:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Music and Performing Arts Munich to Category:University of Music and Theatre Munich – C2D: University of Music and Theatre Munich. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 01:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:CatAutoTOC tracking categories to Category:Automatic category TOC tracking categories – C2D: Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Templates using CatAutoTOC to Category:Templates using Automatic category TOC – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. (The omission of NO BOTS from this one is intentional.) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:CatAutoTOC generates no TOC to Category:Automatic category TOC generates no TOC – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:CatAutoTOC generates standard Category TOC to Category:Automatic category TOC generates standard Category TOC – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:CatAutoTOC generates Large category TOC to Category:Automatic category TOC generates Large category TOC – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:CatAutoTOC on pages where PAGESINCATEGORY returns zero to Category:Automatic category TOC on pages where PAGESINCATEGORY returns zero – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Template Large category TOC via CatAutoTOC on category with 1,201–2,000 pages to Category:Template Large category TOC via Automatic category TOC on category with 1,201–2,000 pages – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Template Large category TOC via CatAutoTOC on category with 2,001–5,000 pages to Category:Template Large category TOC via Automatic category TOC on category with 2,001–5,000 pages – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Template Large category TOC via CatAutoTOC on category with 5,001–10,000 pages to Category:Template Large category TOC via Automatic category TOC on category with 5,001–10,000 pages – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Template Large category TOC via CatAutoTOC on category with 10,001–20,000 pages to Category:Template Large category TOC via Automatic category TOC on category with 10,001–20,000 pages – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Template Large category TOC via CatAutoTOC on category with over 20,000 pages to Category:Template Large category TOC via Automatic category TOC on category with over 20,000 pages – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Template Category TOC via CatAutoTOC on category with 101–200 pages to Category:Template Category TOC via Automatic category TOC on category with 101–200 pages – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Template Category TOC via CatAutoTOC on category with 201–300 pages to Category:Template Category TOC via Automatic category TOC on category with 201–300 pages – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Template Category TOC via CatAutoTOC on category with 301–600 pages to Category:Template Category TOC via Automatic category TOC on category with 301–600 pages – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Template Category TOC via CatAutoTOC on category with 601–900 pages to Category:Template Category TOC via Automatic category TOC on category with 601–900 pages – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Template Category TOC via CatAutoTOC on category with 901–1200 pages to Category:Template Category TOC via Automatic category TOC on category with 901–1200 pages – C2D following Per {{Automatic category TOC}} following Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Punisher fan films to Category:Fan films based on the Punisher – C2C: Per the rest of Category:Fan films' subcats. Not 100% on including the "the" given the main article is just Punisher, but it appears that every instance of "Punisher" in that article that isn't part of the title of a work is preceded by "the" or another article, so I think it's the right move to include it here. Open to counterarguments on that though. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 21:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
- Category:United States politicians killed during the Civil War to Category:Politicians killed in the American Civil War - this new name is shorter and less ambiguous, as the category lists both Union and Confederate politicians who died in the ACW. AHI-3000 (talk) 03:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Württemberg to Category:Finance ministers of Württemberg – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of the Solomon Islands to Category:Finance ministers of the Solomon Islands – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Norway to Category:Finance ministers of Norway – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Niue to Category:Finance ministers of Niue – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Japan to Category:Finance ministers of Japan – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Finland to Category:Finance ministers of Finland – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Ecuador to Category:Finance ministers of Ecuador – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:23, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Cyprus to Category:Finance ministers of Cyprus – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Chile to Category:Finance ministers of Chile – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Burkina Faso to Category:Finance ministers of Burkina Faso – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers for finance of Abkhazia to Category:Finance ministers of Abkhazia – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of finance of Afghanistan to Category:Finance ministers of Afghanistan – C2C: Per Category:Finance ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:17, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Labour of Israel to Category:Labour ministers of Israel – C2C: Per Category:Labor ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Italian Ministers of Labour to Category:Labour ministers of Italy – C2C: Per Category:Labor ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Taiwanese Ministers of Labor to Category:Labor ministers of Taiwan – C2C: Per Category:Labor ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Labour of Finland to Category:Labour ministers of Finland – C2C: Per Category:Labor ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 17:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian Ministers of Defence to Category:Defence ministers of Romania – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers for Defence of Luxembourg to Category:Defence ministers of Luxembourg – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Lithuania to Category:Defence ministers of Lithuania – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defense of Israel to Category:Defense ministers of Israel – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bissau-Guinean Ministers of Defense to Category:Defence ministers of Guinea-Bissau – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Papua New Guinea to Category:Defence ministers of Papua New Guinea – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Tajikistan to Category:Defence ministers of Tajikistan – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Turkmenistan to Category:Defence ministers of Turkmenistan – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Venezuelan Ministers of Defense to Category:Defense ministers of Venezuela – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Vietnam to Category:Defence ministers of Vietnam – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Mongolia to Category:Defence ministers of Mongolia – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Kyrgyzstan to Category:Defence ministers of Kyrgyzstan – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defence of Kazakhstan to Category:Defence ministers of Kazakhstan – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belgian Ministers of Defence to Category:Defence ministers of Belgium – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defense of Azerbaijan to Category:Defence ministers of Azerbaijan – C2C: Per Category:Ministry of Defence (Azerbaijan) and Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose all word order changes for the political office, or changes from "Ministers for [dept]" to "Ministers of [dept]", unless demonstrated to be local usage. Especially opposing "Ministers of Finance" to "Finance ministers" – I recently renamed these according to local usage; where there is no article for the position in the country, I followed the majority usage in the biography articles. They do not have to follow the wording "Finance ministers" from the parent Category:Finance ministers by country. Note: I am not opposing decapitalisation, nor moving to "of [Country]", which can go ahead speedily. – Fayenatic London 20:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Wasn't aware, sorry for the extra work these noms have made. Thought I was helping out but you're two steps ahead of me! Hey man im josh (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I removed all of the nominations I created that were opposed by Fayenatic London. I did make more that were within their scope of what was okay. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how it's a local usage issue? Why should the category tree of Category:Finance ministers by country not be consistent? AusLondonder (talk) 05:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- In some countries the list article is "Finance Minister (Country)", in others "Minister of Finance (Country)" or "Minister for Finance (Country)", or "Minister for Economy" etc. The category name should match the post name as described in the country, but in lower case according to MOS:JOBTITLE. – Fayenatic London 12:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Wasn't aware, sorry for the extra work these noms have made. Thought I was helping out but you're two steps ahead of me! Hey man im josh (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose all word order changes for the political office, or changes from "Ministers for [dept]" to "Ministers of [dept]", unless demonstrated to be local usage. Especially opposing "Ministers of Finance" to "Finance ministers" – I recently renamed these according to local usage; where there is no article for the position in the country, I followed the majority usage in the biography articles. They do not have to follow the wording "Finance ministers" from the parent Category:Finance ministers by country. Note: I am not opposing decapitalisation, nor moving to "of [Country]", which can go ahead speedily. – Fayenatic London 20:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- A few of the above categories are now at full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- None currently
Moved to full discussion[edit]
- Category:Sikh military to Category:Military of the Sikh Empire – C2C: Parents Category:Sikh Empire and Category:Military by former country. Siblings in Category:Military by former country. NLeeuw (talk) 17:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: this requires more discussion because there is lots of content in the category that pre-dates the Sikh Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle You're probably right. Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 5#Category:Sikh military. NLeeuw (talk) 14:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: this requires more discussion because there is lots of content in the category that pre-dates the Sikh Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scholars of Mycenaean Greek to Category:Linguists of Mycenaean Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Medieval Greek to Category:Linguists of Medieval Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Koine Greek to Category:Linguists of Koine Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Ancient Greek to Category:Linguists of Ancient Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Greek language to Category:Linguists of Greek – C2C: Siblings in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Scholars of Greek language. NLeeuw (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: I have moved all of the following Categories here pending adequate confirmation of their eligibility under C2C. I made a serious effort to look for that, but was unable to find such confirmation. There is a massive jumbled welter of Categories in this realm, with no prevailing pattern that I can discern. Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Anomalous+0, I have linked Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent down below; is that not enough? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century Canadian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century Canadian people by descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian people by century and descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:Canadian people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:Romanian people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Transnistrian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Transnistrian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brazilian actresses by ethnic or national origin to Category:Brazilian actresses by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:East German people by ethnic or national origin to Category:East German people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Middle Eastern people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Middle Eastern people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cebuano people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Cebuano people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian trade unionists by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian trade unionists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian families by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian families by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Montserratian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Montserratian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Manx people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Manx people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jersey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Jersey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guernsey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guernsey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caymanian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caymanian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:United States Virgin Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:United States Virgin Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sint Maarten people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Sint Maarten people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Saint Martinois people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Saint Martinois people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Martiniquais people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Martiniquais people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Overseas France by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Overseas France by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guadeloupean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guadeloupean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Curaçao people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Curaçao people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aruban people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Aruban people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caribbean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caribbean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Anguillan people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Anguillan people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:British writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now to all by ethnic or national origin nominations. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The existing wording sounds more natural and is easier to understand. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion:
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_30#Category:English_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_9#Category:Swedish_politicians_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_27#British_people_by_descent
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_6#Actors_by_ethnicity
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_7#People_from_British_Overseas_Territories_and_Crown_Dependencies_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_8#People_from_Overseas_France_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Except in the United States, the "by descent" format seems to be standard everywhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions[edit]
May 9[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:Philosophers of theodicy[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Philosophers of theodicy to Category:Philosophers of religion
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. I don't think we need to diffuse this category by the specific question in the philosophy of religion, especially since this cateogory only has one person it it. Mason (talk) 02:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom, this doesn't seem to be a particularly useful subdivision of Category:Philosophers of religion. Psychastes (talk) 02:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Philosophers by ethnicity[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: per WP:OCEGRS, there doesn't seem to be a reason why philosophers should be categorized by ethnicity Psychastes (talk) 02:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
May 8[edit]
Category:Early Germanic music[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Early Germanic music to Category:Early Germanic culture
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now, there's not enough content to support a category right now. There's only one page in here (and Early Germanic music redirects to Early Germanic culture Mason (talk) 22:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Native Americans' rights activists[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Rename to make the distinction between being an activist who is of native american ancestry and someone who is in support of the rights of people who are of native american ancestry. This category is a siblings to Category:Activists for African-American civil rights and Category:Activists for Hispanic and Latino American civil rights, which were renamed following this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_November_4#Category:African-Americans'_civil_rights_activists Mason (talk) 22:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Albanian rights activists[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Albanian rights activists to Category:Activists for Albanian rights
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should rename this category so it is easier to distinguish from Albanian activists. I think that this category is supposed to be Activists who advocate for the rights of Albanian people, as opposed to activists who are albanian nationals. Similar categories like this one are Category:Activists for Hispanic and Latino American civil rights & Category:Activists for African-American civil rights Mason (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of airports in Massachusetts[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. Let'srun (talk) 19:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Places" doesn't make sense. Up-merge to Airports in the United States and delete category all together. CaribDigita (talk) 21:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Heliports in Massachusetts[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Heliports in Massachusetts to Category:Heliports in the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 19:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Punjabi diaspora in Asia[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Punjabi diaspora in Asia to Category:Punjabi diaspora by country
- Nominator's rationale: merge, not enough content for diffusion by continent. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Book of Joel people[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Book of Joel people to Category:Book of Joel
- Propose merging Category:Book of Nahum people to Category:Book of Nahum
- Propose merging Category:Book of Zephaniah people to Category:Book of Zephaniah
- Propose merging Category:Book of Habakkuk people to Category:Book of Habakkuk
- Nominator's rationale: delete, single-article categories, this is not helpful for navigation. Not every Hebrew Bible book must have its own people category per se. There is no need to merge to Category:Hebrew Bible people, the articles are already in Category:Prophets in the Hebrew Bible. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tuvan independence activists[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Tuvan independence activists to Category:Tuvan activists
- Nominator's rationale: Broaden this category so it can include other kinds of activists. Mason (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Tuvan people and Category:Independence activists as it is rather unlikely that we can further populate an activists category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
People from Overseas France by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Guadeloupean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guadeloupean people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Martiniquais people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Martiniquais people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Saint Martinois people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Saint Martinois people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:People from Overseas France by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Overseas France by descent
- Nominator's rationale: rename for consistency with their subcategories which are all "by descent", as well as for consistency with Category:French people by descent at the top of the tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Suicide books[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Suicide books to Category:Books about suicide and Category:Suicide methods
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge: These categories seem to be extremely overlapping Mason (talk) 02:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Books about suicide; Category:Suicide methods does not seem to be an appropriate merge target. Perhaps keep a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge per Marcocapelle. A book about suicide can be about a lot more than just the methods. Think about motives, underlying causes, social impact, prevention, statistics, cultural depictions and references, etc. NLeeuw (talk) 14:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Georgetown College (Kentucky)[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Georgetown College (Kentucky) to Category:Georgetown College
- Nominator's rationale: In line with the main article, Georgetown College. Graham (talk) 02:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
May 7[edit]
Category:Comic book editors[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Comic book editors to Category:Comics editors
- Nominator's rationale: The term "comic book" is used for periodical comics publications and is not inclusive of manga, webcomics, graphic novels, etc. "Comics editors" is inclusive of all forms of comics. Thematthewmurray (talk) 22:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Those are different industries, don't mix apples and oranges. Rather create "manga editors" in Category:Manga industry and list them there. As for the others, graphic novels may not be the same as comic books, but the industry that makes them is the same one, so there's no problem grouping them together. And are there webcomic editors? isn't that a self-published genre? Cambalachero (talk) 00:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- While there have been webcomics editors for years, the rise of webcomic platforms/sites like Webtoon and Tapas mean that they are more prominent than before.
- Since you suggested splitting out Japanese editors, I'll mention that the category also currently includes comics editors who worked in the comics industries in Belgium, Brazil, China, France, Italy, Mexico, the Netherlands, Serbia, and the UK. Thematthewmurray (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- If the industry of webcomics is so developed now, then yes, create a third category for them. As for Japan, Japanese comics are a specific and distinct genre in its own right. Can we say the same of the comics of those other countries? Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ethnic groups in the Arab world[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT, largely duplicative of Category:Ethnic groups in the Middle East (which actually has a proper, identically named main article: Ethnic groups in the Middle East) and Category:Ethnic groups in North Africa, with an unnecessary focus on "Arab" in the title instead of recognising the ethnic diversity of the region. NLeeuw (talk) 22:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, ethnic groups in the Middle East and in North Africa are unrelated to each other (except for Arabs of course). Marcocapelle (talk) 00:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pornography in Australia[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Pornography in Australia to Category:Australian pornography
- Propose renaming Category:Australian pornography to Category:Pornography in Australia
- Propose upmerging Category:Pornography in Oceania to Category:Cinema of Oceania
and Category:Sex industry in Oceania
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT. Exactly the same scope. Category:Pornography in Australia was created today; Category:Australian pornography in 2011, so the latter should be the merge target to preserve the edit history. However, for consistency per WP:C2C and per main article Pornography in Austria per WP:C2D, Pornography in Australia should be the catname once the merger has been completed. That will leave Category:Pornography in Oceania a redundant layer with 1 C 0 P, so it should be upmerged to its parents for now without prejudice per WP:MFN. NLeeuw (talk) 21:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/rename per nom. But a merge to Category:Sex industry in Oceania won't be necessary, because the subcategory is already in Category:Sex industry in Australia. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:IMAX venues in the United Kingdom[edit]
- Propose merging Category:IMAX venues in the United Kingdom to Category:IMAX venues
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 20:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 21:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. A full dual merge is not needed but if List of premium large format cinema screens in the UK is kept it should also be added to Category:Cinemas in the United Kingdom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Communism in the Arab world[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Communism in the Arab world (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Conservatism in the Arab world (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Monarchism in the Arab world (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:OVERLAPCAT. All children are already in parents Category:Communism in Asia and Category:Communism in Asia (part of the Category:Political movements by continent tree), as well as Category:Communism by country). On the other hand, Category:Arab communists is in the Category:People by ethnicity and political orientation tree, which has been inappropriately intersected with the trees above. NLeeuw (talk) 06:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- PS: Added Conservatism and Monarchism which are very similar situations. Other siblings could be nominated as well, but I suggest we do them as follow-ups in order to not make this nomination overly complicated. NLeeuw (talk) 06:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep sources treat the Arab world as a body, including in political movements. See The Communist Movement in the Arab World by Tareq Y. Ismael.--User:Namiba 18:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It is not the case that all of the articles are in Category:Communism in Asia. The category also includes articles on communism in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan and Somalia, none of which is in Asia. There are clear commonalities among all of these, distinguishing them from other communists in both Asia and Africa, and this is an appropriate category. RolandR (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Punjabi people by occupation[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Punjabi academics
- Propose deleting Category:Punjabi artists
- Propose deleting Category:Punjabi politicians
- Propose merging Category:British politicians of Punjabi descent to Category:British people of Punjabi descent
- Propose merging Category:Singaporean politicians of Punjabi descent to Category:Singaporean people of Punjabi descent
- Propose deleting Category:Punjabi architects
- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection between occupation and ethnicity. There is mostly no need to merge, the articles are already in a parallel Indian or Pakistani category if applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like a notable intersection [1][2]--User:Namiba 14:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is mainly about Indian descent, as the second link also illustrates. Hardly any of these articles is about someone of Pakistani descent, while a clear majority of Punjabi are Pakistanis. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like a notable intersection [1][2]--User:Namiba 14:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Quebec Kebs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Defunct minor league team containing no articles except the team article, the arena it temporarily inhabited, and the coaches category. User:Namiba 14:43, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Defunct National Basketball League of Canada teams[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The NBLC itself is defunct. User:Namiba 14:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:1999 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:1999 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2000 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2000 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2001 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2001 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2011 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2011 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2012 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2012 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2013 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2013 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2014 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2014 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2015 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2015 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2016 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2016 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2017 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2017 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2018 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2018 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2019 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2019 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2020 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2020 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2021 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2021 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2022 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2022 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2023 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2023 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Propose renaming Category:2024 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships to Category:2024 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
- Nominator's rationale: Harmonizing subcategory names in the Category:IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship. Please see also the previous discussion here. Maiō T. (talk) 17:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support. The nomenclature aligns with the official name of the tournament as used by the IIHF. Spitzmauskc (talk) 15:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The naming is unnecessarily redundant. The proposal is equivalent to "1999 International Ice Hockey Federation Ice Hockey Women's World Championships". What logical reason is there to say ice hockey twice? Seems like the parent category should be discussed, not the children. Flibirigit (talk) 11:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- The IIHF uses "IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship" on all official documentation. I suspect the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' has its roots in the period during which the IIHF also organized the IIHF Inline Hockey World Championship. While I don’t disagree that the name may read as redundant, I do see value in maintaining the official name and feel the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' is a helpful indicator for readers who may not be familiar with the IIHF acronym. Spitzmauskc (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rātana politicians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. No need to merge, the subcategory is already in the tree of the three potential targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are we certain there are no Rātana people who stood but were not elected? I would prefer to keep ‘politicians’, but delete ‘MPs’. If that is not preferred, then yes, I would still delete ‘politicians’. — HTGS (talk) 00:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merging Category:Rātana MPs to Category:Rātana politicians is also an option. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: there seems to be a lot of confusion in this category (and in articles relating to Rātana as a political force). Some of these people are adherents of the Rātana faith who became MPs, others of them were MPs for the Rātana Party or (after affiliation with the Labour Party) MPs officially endorsed by the Rātana church. Soraya Peke-Mason, for example, is a Rātana, but not an official Rātana-endorsed MP. If that can be cleared up I'd support Marcocapelle's second suggestion (merging MPs into politicians). Grutness...wha? 14:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- That is a very interesting observation. In fact 5 out of 7 have exclusively been politicians for the Labour party. Category:Rātana MPs is better to be merged to Category:New Zealand Rātanas for that reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are we certain there are no Rātana people who stood but were not elected? I would prefer to keep ‘politicians’, but delete ‘MPs’. If that is not preferred, then yes, I would still delete ‘politicians’. — HTGS (talk) 00:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Category:Rātana MPs too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Belgian Ministers of Defence[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Belgian Ministers of Defence to Category:Ministers of Defence of Belgium
- Propose renaming Category:Belgian Ministers of Justice to Category:Ministers of Justice of Belgium
- Propose renaming Category:Romanian Ministers of Defence to Category:Ministers of Defence of Romania
- Propose renaming Category:Italian Ministers of Labour to
Category:Ministers of Labour of ItaliaCategory:Ministers of Labour of Italy - Propose renaming Category:Taiwanese Ministers of Labor to Category:Ministers of Labor of Taiwan
- Propose renaming Category:Bissau-Guinean Ministers of Defense to Category:Ministers of Defense of Guinea-Bissau
- Propose renaming Category:Venezuelan Ministers of Defense to Category:Ministers of Defense of Venezuela
- Nominator's rationale: rename, "of country" seems to be the standard format. I am not sure about the capitalization. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london and AusLondonder: pinging contributors to stale speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the nom. Looking at the Category:Defense ministers by country category tree, the vast majority use a "Defence ministers of X" format, my original proposal was to rename any that don't to match the category tree per C2C. A similar situation is seen in the other ministers category trees. AusLondonder (talk) 20:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- The post title should not be capitalised in the plural, see MOS:JOBTITLES, so Category:Ministers of defence of Belgium. Also, we use the English names for countries, so Category:Ministers of labour of Italy, not Italia! 😂 – Fayenatic London 20:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I second Faye's suggestion to update the target names, then I will support the proposals. NLeeuw (talk) 21:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am happy with not capitalizing it, but then many siblings need to be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I second Faye's suggestion to update the target names, then I will support the proposals. NLeeuw (talk) 21:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Paintings of the Sacrifice of Isaac[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Paintings of the Sacrifice of Isaac to Category:Paintings of Isaac and Category:Paintings of Isaac
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only very few articles in Category:Paintings of Isaac and it is not part of any other tree because Category:Sacrifice of Isaac or Category:Binding of Isaac does not exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep because it is also highly defining that these also belong within Category:Paintings of Abraham. Presumably that's what you meant as a second target. In the case of the Abraham categories, it is clearly worth keeping this as a separate sub-cat, even though that means not much goes in Category:Paintings of Isaac directly. The third parent Angels in art also applies to most of these pictures. – Fayenatic London 21:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Fayenatic
, but Rename to Category:Paintings of the Binding of Isaac per WP:C2B Binding of Isaac. NLeeuw (talk) 21:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)- I thought of that, but please see WP:CATNAME#Works of art categories by subject – N.B. the precedent to use the arts-world name "Entombment of Christ" even though the main article is at Burial of Christ. In the present case it is plain from the names of the member pages that "Sacrifice of Isaac" is predominantly used for paintings of this topic. – Fayenatic London 21:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; the iconography/subject matter of artworks is highly WP:DEFINING. Ham II (talk) 09:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent to Category:People of Tajik descent
- Nominator's rationale: 1 article category Gjs238 (talk) 12:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree. No purpose whatsoever served by deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or delete, the category does not contain any biography. The topic article is already in Category:Asian diaspora in Canada where it properly belongs. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:British people of Tajik descent[edit]
- Propose merging Category:British people of Tajik descent to Category:People of Tajik descent
- Nominator's rationale: 1 article category Gjs238 (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree. No purpose whatsoever served by deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or delete, the article is already in Category:Uzbekistani emigrants to the United Kingdom where it properly belongs. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Caucasus Jews[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There are two Jewish ethnic groups originating from the Caucasus region: Mountain Jews and Georgian Jews. The term Caucasus Jews currently redirects to "Mountain Jews." These two groups are culturally distinct; they speak different languages and have many differences in customs and culture. However, other Jewish communities have also resided and continue to reside in the Caucasus region, including primarily Ashkenazi Jews, as well as some Sephardic and Bukharan Jews. Therefore, this category does not make sense. Currently, this category encompasses Jews from three modern countries, yet "Caucasus Jews" redirects to "Mountain Jews." Note: I have just separated the entries for category:Jews from Georgia (country) and category:Georgian Jews. Aldij (talk) 11:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not deleted, rename to Category:Jews in the Caucasus to clarify its purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, disambiguate including Category:Mountain Jews and category:Georgian Jews. Surprisingly, these are not within Category:Peoples of the Caucasus. – Fayenatic London 21:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Anguillan people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Anguillan people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Caymanian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caymanian people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Guernsey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guernsey people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Jersey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Jersey people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Manx people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Manx people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Montserratian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Montserratian people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by descent
- Propose renaming Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by descent
- Nominator's rationale:rename for consistency with the subcategories which are aĺl "by descent", as well as for consistency with Category:British people by descent at the top of the tree. This is follow-up after this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People of West Asian descent[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:People of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Argentine people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Brazilian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Canadian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Chinese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Croatian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Egyptian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Emirati people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Ethiopian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Filipino people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:German people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Iraqi people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Israeli people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Japanese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Jordanian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Kuwaiti people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Lebanese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Libyan people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Omani people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Peruvian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Polish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Saudi Arabian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Serbian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South African people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Swedish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Syrian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Turkish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora in Israel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: This category tree is not needed. Western Asia is often conflated with the Middle East. Western Asia includes the South Caucasus but does not include Egypt (outside the Sinai Peninsula) and Turkish Thrace (geographically in Southeast Europe). Now "West Asian descent" categories merely serve as containers for "Middle East descent" and "Caucasus descent." However, these classifications are not entirely accurate. The term "People of Middle East descent" includes individuals from the African part of Egypt and Turkish Thrace in Europe, while "People of Caucasus descent" encompasses individuals from the North Caucasus in Europe. Aldij (talk) 09:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Asian parent categories. I agree that West Asia and Middle East are largely overlapping and we do not need both. However, it does not make sense to remove the content from the Asian tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Merging to Asian parent categories is my second choice per Marco. NLeeuw (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Chinese retired emperors[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Chinese retired emperors to Category:Chinese emperors who abdicated
- Nominator's rationale: More clear, consistent with related categories. Remsense诉 06:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Preferably nominate the Japanese and Vietnamese sibling categories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City)[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City) to Category:Union Theological Seminary
- Propose renaming Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City) alumni to Category:Union Theological Seminary alumni
- Propose renaming Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City) faculty to Category:Union Theological Seminary faculty
- Nominator's rationale: In line with the main article about the subject, which was recently the subject of a requested move discussion that determined that the New York seminary is the primary topic for the title. Graham (talk) 04:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom – the previous discussion has established that Union Theological Seminary is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so this should be followed in the category name. Robminchin (talk) 20:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Union Theological Seminary (disambiguation). Marcocapelle (talk) 10:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Could you clarify what you mean? As discussed in the RM discussion, of the five other articles listed on that disambiguation page:
- Three of them use a name prefixed with a city and we were unable to find any references to any of them as simply "Union Theological Seminary". (As partial title matches, they're probably borderline cases as to whether they should even be listed in the body of the disambiguation page rather than the see also section.)
- One of them (Union Presbyterian Seminary) was historically known as "Union Theological Seminary" but changed their name a number of years ago in part to distinguish themselves from the much better-known New York seminary. (By way of comparison, the fact that the University of Portland was historically known as "Columbia University" rightly doesn't stop the title Category:Columbia University from being used for the New York institution.)
- One of them (Union Theological Seminary (Philippines)) is so obscure that, despite apparently being an English-language institution, there was minimal information available online about them. IACOBVS suggested that they may have actually been named after the New York seminary.
- Could you clarify what you mean? As discussed in the RM discussion, of the five other articles listed on that disambiguation page:
- This would seem to be a clear-cut case of a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, especially when we take into account the fact that the New York seminary is recognized internationally as a major intellectual centre of mainline Protestantism and liberal theology and its article is viewed 10 times more often than Union Presbyterian Seminary and 26 times more often than Union Theological Seminary (Philippines).
- Additionally, why would we use a different title for the article versus the category? Graham (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Graham: we frequently do that with categories that have ambiguous names. A higher level of primacy is required for categories, otherwise it is highly likely that articles will be placed incorrectly in a category based on its name alone, without checking the scope specified on the category page. – Fayenatic London 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but in this case, it is nigh inconceivable that a user would place an article incorrectly in this category. Three of the other institutions have never shared a name with the New York seminary, so there is no ambiguity. One of them hasn't shared a name with the New York seminary for years. And – given that the Philippine seminary appears to be so insignificant that I would be shocked to learn that there is even a single academic there that meets our notability standards – there is no risk that anyone would assume it to have its own category or that an article that belongs in such a theoretical category would even exist. Graham (talk) 16:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Graham: we frequently do that with categories that have ambiguous names. A higher level of primacy is required for categories, otherwise it is highly likely that articles will be placed incorrectly in a category based on its name alone, without checking the scope specified on the category page. – Fayenatic London 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, why would we use a different title for the article versus the category? Graham (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Seems most logical and within policy. Ergo Sum 20:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support based on the fact that the proposed names are currently redlinks and there is little likelihood of them becoming ambiguous among categories in the foreseeable future. Station1 (talk) 03:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC) <responding to ping>
- Support per nom and for the above rationales stated. Disambiguation is not needed for these 3 articles per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. IACOBVS (talk) 04:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC) <responding to ping>
- Comment: If not changed per proposed, then recommend changing to Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York) to shorten. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Sámi educators[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Sámi educators to Category:Sámi people by occupation
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. It mirrors the same well-formed categories for non-Sámi educators. I have added one more category to this and at least two more categories could easily be created to add to this one based on the structure of the category for non-Sámi educators. -Yupik (talk) 15:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Slight lean oppose. I have mixed feelings because it's a pretty common parent category, making it helpful for navigation. (Moreover, I think that Sami educator is more defining than Sami schoolteacher). Regardless, Yupik's reason for keeping isn't a good reason to keep or create categories. Please review WP:EGRS before making more categories. Mason (talk) 16:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ossetian male writers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Ossetian male writers to Category:Ossetian writers
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Non-defining intersection between ethnicity, occupation, and gender. Mason (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose; we already have similar categories of ethnciity/occuptation/gender, such as Category:African-American male writers, Category:Yoruba women writers, and Category:Basque women writers. Categorizing writers by gender and nationality is quite common as well; see Category:Male writers by nationality. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:32, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS, Ossetian male writers is not a notable topic in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Deaths from food poisoning[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Deaths from food poisoning to Category:Deaths by food poisoning
- Nominator's rationale: Conflict in naming conventions between Category:Deaths from digestive disease and Category:Deaths from infectious disease; and Category:Deaths by poisoning. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose – I think we mostly use "deaths by" for intentional killings, "deaths from" or "deaths due to" where there was no intention. The current name seems to be natural English, but Category:Deaths due to food poisoning sounds OK as an alternative. – Fayenatic London 10:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose per Fayenatic. Split in intentional and unintentional deaths (discuss catnames). Food poisoning or foodborne illness is something which happens by accident, due to carelessness or lack of knowledge or diligence in preparing food before consuming it. I've never seen intentional killings described as "food poisoning", even if the method used was to poison someone's food (food or drink is by far the most common means of getting lethal poison into someone's body while covering the perpetrator's traces). It might be better to Rename to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses to align with the main article foodborne illness, and because the present continuous poisoning is ambiguous, as it can be both understood as passive (unintentional) and active (deliberate). It should then also be Re-parented to Category:Deaths from disease. However, for those deaths caused by intentionally poisoned foods or drinks, it might be better to create a separate category. Given sibling Category:Victims of intentional poisonings, I believe we need to have the word "intentional" in the catname, for clear distinction from foodborne illnesses. Something like Category:Deaths by intentional food poisonings? However we formulate it, I would recommend a Template:Category see also in the catdescs of both cats after the split to help readers and editors find what they are looking for. NLeeuw (talk) 14:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Animated characters debuting in 1972[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Neither of the articles listed here are for fictional characters, but their television shows. I could not find any other entries for this category. If this category is kept, it should be at Category:Animated characters introduced in 1972 anyway. (Oinkers42) (talk) 21:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I agree with the altname if kept, but I think this is too WP:NONDEFINING to be kept.. NLeeuw (talk) 14:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Actors by ethnicity[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actresses by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Male actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male actors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Television actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actresses by ethnicity
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content of these categories. The diffusing attribute is not these actors' ancestors but it is rather their own ethnicity. Also, this aligns with parent Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC and friends[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 1,201–2,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 2,001–5,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 5,001–10,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 10,001–20,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with over 20,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 101–200 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 201–300 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 301–600 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 601–900 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 901–1200 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose deleting Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale:
This whole tree needs a little bit of love. I came here to propose a speedy rename from "Foo CatAutoTOC bar" to "Foo Automatic category TOC bar" following a RM at Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024, but I think this whole tree needs to be simplified. It is so small that diffusing by number of pages in the category is a hindrance to navigation. I will also note that Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC is terribly named: it only contains categories which use {{Category TOC}} or {{Large category TOC}} directly.
I propose we get rid of the tree and replace it with two categories, one for each template: Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC and Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC. Finally, I propose we delete Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC in favor of a hatnote between the two new categories. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
French violinists by gender and century[edit]
- Propose merging Category:17th-century French male violinists to Category:French male violinists and Category:17th-century French violinists and Category:17th-century male musicians
- Propose merging Category:18th-century French male violinists to Category:French male violinists and Category:18th-century French violinists and Category:18th-century male musicians
- Propose merging Category:19th-century French male violinists to Category:French male violinists and Category:19th-century French violinists and Category:19th-century male musicians
- Propose merging Category:20th-century French male violinists to Category:French male violinists and Category:20th-century French violinists and Category:20th-century male musicians
- Propose merging Category:21st-century French male violinists to Category:French male violinists and Category:21st-century French violinists and Category:21st-century male musicians
- Propose merging Category:18th-century French male classical violinists to Category:18th-century French violinists and Category:French male classical violinists and Category:18th-century male musicians
- Propose merging Category:19th-century French male classical violinists to Category:19th-century French violinists and Category:French male classical violinists and Category:19th-century male musicians
- Propose merging Category:20th-century French male classical violinists to Category:20th-century French violinists and Category:French male classical violinists and Category:20th-century male musicians
- Propose merging Category:21st-century French male classical violinists to Category:21st-century French violinists and Category:French male classical violinists and Category:21st-century male musicians
- Propose merging Category:18th-century French women violinists to Category:French women violinists and Category:18th-century French violinists and Category:18th-century women musicians
- Propose merging Category:19th-century French women violinists to Category:French women violinists and Category:19th-century French violinists and Category:19th-century women musicians
- Propose merging Category:20th-century French women violinists to Category:French women violinists and Category:20th-century French violinists and Category:20th-century women musicians
- Propose merging Category:21st-century French women violinists to Category:French women violinists and Category:21st-century French violinists and Category:21st-century women musicians
- Propose merging Category:19th-century French women classical violinists to Category:19th-century French violinists and Category:French women classical violinists and Category:19th-century women musicians
- Propose merging Category:20th-century French women classical violinists to Category:20th-century French violinists and Category:French women classical violinists and Category:20th-century women musicians
- Propose merging Category:21st-century French women classical violinists to Category:21st-century French violinists and Category:French women classical violinists and Category:21st-century women musicians
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:OCEGRS, narrow intersections with gender, for none of these categories there will be a topic article in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge all per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:OCEGRS. Good job by nom spotting and nominating all this. NLeeuw (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Goldey College football[edit]
Category:Male fiddlers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. There is no need to merge somewhere, the subcategory is already in appropriate categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:2024 United States Libertarian presidential primaries[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only one page, doesn’t fit with similar category styles Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Libertarian Party (United States) presidential primaries. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as creator; initially made for other Libertarian primary articles but those don't exist anymore so a dual merge is the most sensible option. DukeOfDelTaco (talk) 20:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:20th-century Canadian people by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category level with only two subcategories each. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Architects[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Arthur Edmunds
- Propose deleting Category:Bill Lapworth
- Propose deleting Category:Halsey Chase Herreshoff
- Propose deleting Category:John Hawks (architect)
- Propose deleting Category:Lyle Hess
- Propose deleting Category:Philip Rhodes
- Propose deleting Category:Samuel Sloan (architect)
- Propose deleting Category:Emile Weil
- Propose renaming and reparenting Category:Michael Middleton Dwyer to Category:Works by Michael Middleton Dwyer
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCEPON. These categories only contain an eponymous article and a subcategory, so having the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Whai players[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Whai players to Category:Tauranga Whai players
- Nominator's rationale: Whai (basketball) is now Tauranga Whai. I created the category when the team name did not have "Tauranga" in it. The team name is now officially "Tauranga Whai". DaHuzyBru (talk) 10:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom, for consistency with main article's name (Tauranga Whai). Paora (talk) 09:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dual men's international footballers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: They are men's footballers who are dual internationals, the current order does not make grammatical sense. An alternative would be Dual internationalists (men's football), mirroring how the female players cat has been named Crowsus (talk) 09:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alternative, similarity would be good, and I feel that the alternative fits it better. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 15:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alternative to match the women's naming. GiantSnowman 15:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Anarchism task force participants[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: It has been years since the anarchism taskforce of WikiProject Philosophy was expanded into its own dedicated WikiProject, but this category has yet to be updated to reflect that. This proposed move is a simple update to reflect the category's current use by WikiProject Anarchism. Grnrchst (talk) 08:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 14:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:18th-century German male violinists[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:18th-century German male violinists to Category:18th-century German violinists
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should broaden this category to include violinists of all genders. Non of the othe 18th-century violinists are diffused by gender and there isn't a 18th-century german violinists category. Mason (talk) 03:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and re-parent per nom, despite the fact that the French 18th-century violinists are also diffused by gender. It is rather the French males that should be upmerged. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and re-parent per nom without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 21:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Poisoned Romans[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Duel upmerge as Non-defining intersection between nationality and method of death. Category:Victims of intentional poisonings isn't diffused by nationality. If not merged, it should be renamed Poisoned ancient Romans. Mason (talk) 16:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "Category:Victims of intentional poisonings isn't diffused by nationality." Why the heck not? Murder victim categories are typically subdivided by nationality. Dimadick (talk) 16:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Poisoned ancient Romans per Category:Ancient Roman murder victims. The latter has enough articles to merit diffusion by type of murder. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am not seeing any opposition to the rename (noting it was suggested in the OP and seconded by Marcocapelle). Further comments – both about the rename and the merge – would be appreciated, but if there are none I would close this as rename with no consensus on whether this should exist or not.
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Category:American family lawyers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:American family lawyers to Category:American lawyers
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between occupation, type of law, and nationality. Lawyers are not typically defined by whether they practice family law. Similar to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_22#Category:Canadian_criminal_lawyers Mason (talk) 01:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, there isn't even a Category:Family lawyers. But delete instead of merge because the articles are already in another subcategory of Category:American lawyers anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tokyo Musashino United FC[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON * Pppery * it has begun... 00:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory.Marcocapelle (talk) 04:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Striking vote considering below comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 09:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I have expanded, so there's sufficient content to justify keeping. However, needs a move per WP:C2D to Category:Yokogawa Musashino FC to match the parent article name. @Pppery and Marcocapelle:. GiantSnowman 09:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
May 5[edit]
Category:Film templates parameter issues[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This is a valid Wikiproject category that exists principally as a container for other Wikiproject tracking categories, but it's straying a bit from its stated purpose: not every category that's been filed here is tracking issues in the "something wrong here that needs to be fixed" sense, and instead some of them are just tracking usages without regard to any "issues". So genuine "issues" categories can be left here, but "usage" categories should be upmerged to the parent instead of being here. Bearcat (talk) 22:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- The category trees of Template parameter issues by task and Template parameter issues by topic (which includes the nominated category Category:Film templates parameter issues) created by me in 2022 are named this way because of the original category Wikipedia template parameter issues. I too, at some point in this process, realized that some relevant categories are just for tracking/awareness, not for fixing issues. I wouldn't mind renaming the whole category tree into Wikipedia template tracking categories, Template tracking categories by task, and so on.
- An alternative would be to make it an additional structure on top: Wikipedia template tracking categories could be the parent of Wikipedia template parameter issues, Template tracking categories by topic – parent of Template parameter issues by topic, and so forth. What do you think?
- This is a much larger scope than the original nomination, let me know if you want to limit the discussion here to just the film-related categories. —andrybak (talk) 23:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:American buskers[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:American buskers to Category:American street performers
- Nominator's rationale: This was previously discussed and agreed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 31#Category:American buskers before it was suddenly moved back without any discussion. WP:ENGVAR allows us to use the American English term. Buskers is not a word generally used in the United States. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename in the spirit of WP:G4 but keep a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuietHere: as you listed this at WP:CFDS you might want to react as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- As I noted when I nominated this for a speedy move in January (see here), the relevant parent category is Category:Buskers by nationality, in which all other entries use that same word. I don't think it makes sense for just one category out of the tree to use different terminology, so I am opposed to this proposal as is. However, I would not oppose renaming the whole tree (and every other relevant category in the greater Category:Buskers tree) based on this given "busking" and "busker" are both redirects to street performance, and I would think it best for all categories to match with that. Plus, I would imagine "street performer" to be a better known, more readily understood, term than "busker". If you wish to extend this proposal to the whole tree, then I will gladly change my vote, but as is I think matching category names is ideal regardless of what terminology is in use. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- What you are arguing goes against WP:ENGVAR. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- As I noted when I nominated this for a speedy move in January (see here), the relevant parent category is Category:Buskers by nationality, in which all other entries use that same word. I don't think it makes sense for just one category out of the tree to use different terminology, so I am opposed to this proposal as is. However, I would not oppose renaming the whole tree (and every other relevant category in the greater Category:Buskers tree) based on this given "busking" and "busker" are both redirects to street performance, and I would think it best for all categories to match with that. Plus, I would imagine "street performer" to be a better known, more readily understood, term than "busker". If you wish to extend this proposal to the whole tree, then I will gladly change my vote, but as is I think matching category names is ideal regardless of what terminology is in use. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Climbing books[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Climbing books to Category:Mountaineering books
- Nominator's rationale: We should merge 'Climbing books' with 'Mountaineering books' to create 'Climbing and Mountaineering books' (as we have done with some other climbing and mountaineering categories like 'List of climbers and mountaineers'). It is not always appropriate to merge 'climbing' and 'mountaineering' but in this case it is not useful to split them as too many of the books include both topics. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge both together to Category:Climbing and mountaineering books, per nom. These are overlapping topics, and they overlap in books too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have tagged Category:Mountaineering books too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional animals by taxon[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fictional animals by taxon to Category:Fictional animals by type
- Nominator's rationale: No reason has been given why this unnecessarily WP:NARROWCAT has been created. It only contains two taxons which is not enough to justify an entire separate category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Fictional animals by taxon, but merge Category:Fictional invertebrates and Category:Fictional vertebrates into Category:Fictional animals by taxon. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ultimately doing that is just shuffling around deck chairs and makes no real difference. But I think the more longstanding categories (since 2006) should take precedence over your new 2024 category, not things be merged just because you want your category to be prominent. You have just stated an opinion but not provided a reason to back why taxon is better than the vertebrate/invertebrate split. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Fictional animals by taxon, but merge Category:Fictional invertebrates and Category:Fictional vertebrates into Category:Fictional animals by taxon. AHI-3000 (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Both the nominated and the alt proposal could be an improvement, but I prefer the alternative, in order to keep taxa together as a recognizable attrribute. I have tagged the two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: So do you support my suggestion? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- I already said I prefer your alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: So do you support my suggestion? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Cornish people by descent[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Cornish people by descent to Category:Cornish people
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Brazilian cuisine by region[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Cuisine of Central-West Brazil (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Cuisine of the Central-West region of Brazil
- Propose renaming Category:Cuisine of Northeast Brazil (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Cuisine of the Northeast region of Brazil
- Propose renaming Category:Cuisine of Northern Brazil (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Cuisine of the North region of Brazil
- Propose renaming Category:Cuisine of South Brazil (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Cuisine of the South region of Brazil
- Propose renaming Category:Cuisine of Southeast Brazil (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Cuisine of the Southeast region of Brazil
- Nominator's rationale: Tweaking category names to be more representative of their intended usage. As they stand currently, I believe that the categories could be misunderstood as not aligning with Brazil's official regions. I hope to remedy that with this change. BaduFerreira (talk) 20:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Sikh military[edit]
- A: Propose renaming Category:Sikh military to Category:Military of the Sikh Empire, and Purging this tree of everything unrelated to the Sikh Empire (which may mean either removing all three subcategories, or also renaming and purging those subcategories as a follow-up to this nomination); or
- B: Propose deleting Category:Sikh military as an WP:ARBITRARYCAT (and also Delete the subcategories (at least the Wars and Military units ones) as a follow-up to this nomination)
- Nominator's rationale: Renaming (A) may be a good idea because of parents Category:Sikh Empire and Category:Military by former country, and siblings in Category:Military by former country. However, as @Marcocapelle pointed out at Speedy, this requires more discussion because there is lots of content in the category that pre-dates the Sikh Empire. Moreover, Dharamyudh (Sikhism) (an article I wrote some years ago) is a religious concept, and does not belong solely to the Sikh Empire as a state. Alternately, we could also decide that this is just an WP:ARBITRARYCAT that should be deleted (B). Also, I think that the two recently created children Category:Military units and formations of the Sikhs and Category:Wars involving the Sikhs may be WP:ARBITRARYCATs, which will also have to be renamed (A) or deleted (B). Category:Sikh warriors may be a valid category (if it passes WP:EGRS), but not all those within the military of the Sikh Empire were necessarily adherents of Sikhism, so unless renamed & rescoped, that subcategory should be removed from this tree. Please indicate your preference, as both seem workable solutions to the current issues. NLeeuw (talk) 14:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is a difficult one, because the Sikhs dominated (parts of) Punjab, but did not have a consistent political structure in that region during the two centuries that this category tree is about. They did have military though, to defend their territories. The period covers the Early Mughal–Sikh wars until the Afghan–Sikh wars and it is only during the latter wars that there was first a Sikh Confederacy and later a Sikh Empire. Deletion or purging would certainly be counter-productive because it would arbitrarily break the military history of the region. At most diffuse by different periods. An alternative in a completely different direction is renaming to Category:Sikh military (1621–1849). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I really don't think we should be categorising military history by religious denomination. That's kinda like creating Category:Anabaptist military and then throwing Münster rebellion and Anabaptist riot in there, as if those were carried out by the Armed Forces of the same "state". They weren't.
- We could split up by state, e.g. Category:Wars involving the Sikh Confederacy and Category:Wars involving the Sikh Empire. I would definitely support that. I could add that as Option C to the nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- The comparison with Anabaptists is unfair because the two articles you mentioned are situated at two different places and the Anabaptists held power in only one of them. Hypothetically, if they would have maintained longer in Münster, and if there they would have been called "the Anabaptists" by historians as belligerant in wars, then by all means Category:Anabaptist military would have been a valid category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think it is fair, because as you mentioned, the Sikh Empire is a different state than the Sikh Confederacy, and formations such as the Akal Sena are even older, but did not yet have their own state; they were in rebellion against the Mughal Empire. (I suppose that's what you are referring to by your suggestion to start counting form 1621?).
- At any rate, we should avoid categorising military personnel by religion per WP:EGRS. A military or armed group is either always connected to a state, or usually intends to form its own state or quasi-state, and sometimes already operates a proto-state or quasi-state (even gangs and mafia can have territories of influence where they extract 'protection money', i.e. tribute). (It is for this reason that we have maintained Military personnel of Fooland rather than Military personnel from Fooland conventions; their service to Fooland defines them, not their birth or residence in Fooland).
- The Akal Sena was such a group, whose military aspects were defined by their loyalty to Guru Hargobind, and their pursuit to establish an independent Sikh state (the First Sikh State arose in 1709). The personal religious beliefs of the individual soldiers in the Akal Sena are WP:NONDEFINING for the group as a military force in service of a guru and a proto-state in the Punjab region. NLeeuw (talk) 10:42, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- It may have started as a rebellion, but so did the Dutch Republic which is in retrospect said to have started in the 1570s while it was only recognized by Spain in 1648. There is usually a grey area between rebellion and independence. For the Sikhs independence presumably started in 1606 with the Akal Takht and the first battle against the Mughal Empire taking place in 1621, the Battle of Rohilla. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- The comparison with Anabaptists is unfair because the two articles you mentioned are situated at two different places and the Anabaptists held power in only one of them. Hypothetically, if they would have maintained longer in Münster, and if there they would have been called "the Anabaptists" by historians as belligerant in wars, then by all means Category:Anabaptist military would have been a valid category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- See also this follow up discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am relisting this simultaneous with Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 20#Category:Sikh warriors.
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Category:Sikh warriors[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Sikh warriors to Category:Sikh warriors (–1849)
- Nominator's rationale: rename and purge, in 1849 the Sikhs ceased to have power in Punjab, the Sikh Empire was merged into British India. The category also contains military personnel of India who happen to be Sikhs, e.g. Jagjit Singh Aurora, they should be purged as a matter of trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Question What do you think this category is supposed to contain right now? And what do you think the category should contain?
- Because what I am seeing is an inappropriate intersection of the Category:People by nationality tree and the Category:People by religion tree
- Category:People by nationality > Category:People by occupation and nationality > Category:Military personnel by nationality > Category:Warriors by nationality > Category:Indian warriors > Category:Sikh warriors
- Category:People by religion > Category:People by religion and nationality > Category:Sikhs by nationality > Category:Indian Sikhs > Category:Sikh warriors
- Even the Category:People by ethnicity tree is mixed up in it because of parent Category:Punjabi people, but that could easily be Purged.
- The word "Sikh" thus acquires a double meaning, namely adherents of Sikhism and subjects of the Sikh Empire or Sikh Confederacy. As you noted, The category also contains military personnel of India who happen to be Sikhs, e.g. Jagjit Singh Aurora. Therefore, the current name is ambiguous. The renaming proposal will not resolve that ambiguity. If we are to identify them with the Sikh Empire as you mentioned in the rationale, then we should
alt renameto Category:Military personnel of the Sikh Empire. This would be in line with my proposal A to rename the parent Category:Sikh military to Category:Military personnel of the Sikh Empire, with possibly a separate category for Category:Military personnel of the Sikh Confederacy. NLeeuw (talk) 10:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)- PS: Oh I see you already created Category:Military personnel of the Sikh Empire as a subcategory of Category:Sikh warriors 3 days ago. Shall we also create Category:Military personnel of the Sikh Confederacy and diffuse the rest? NLeeuw (talk) 10:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Based on the proposal my response is predictable: I think the category is supposed to contain Sikh warriors while the Sikhs were self-governing, i.e. governing the Punjab region in which they were in the majority. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sidenote: there wasn't really any such thing as military personnel of the Sikh Confederacy since the military was primarily organized per member state. They just joined forces upon need. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:42, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- while the Sikhs were self-governing, i.e. governing the Punjab region in which they were in the majority. I'm afraid that is an WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Political and military control over an area never perfectly coincides with the area where a certain ethnic, linguistic, religious etc. group lives or lived. That is the fiction of the modern nation-state, that you can have population and state borders coincide. E.g. there never was a time when all inhabitants of the "Netherlands" were "Dutch" by ethnicity, language, nationality or whatever, nor did they ever all adhere to exactly the same religion. Crosscats of people by nationality, by religion, by ethnicity and by language are always inappropriate for that reason.
- If confederacies / confederations do not have military personnel, how come we've got: Category:Confederate States of America military personnel, Category:Swiss military personnel by century before 1848 (when Switzerland transformed from a confederation to a federation) etc.? Besides, there is an article about Dal Khalsa (Sikh Army). NLeeuw (talk) 14:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is more than likely that the area that the Sikhs controlled did not exactly match with the spread of their religion. But that does not matter for the articles which are clearly about Sikh warriors defending their territories. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:45, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sidenote: Category:16th-century Swiss military personnel is vague enough about how the military is organized, just like Category:Sikh warriors. It is not Category:16th-century military personnel of the Swiss Confederacy. On the other hand the Confederate States of America never seem to have had separate armies per state. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- PS: Oh I see you already created Category:Military personnel of the Sikh Empire as a subcategory of Category:Sikh warriors 3 days ago. Shall we also create Category:Military personnel of the Sikh Confederacy and diffuse the rest? NLeeuw (talk) 10:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Battles of the Moldavian campaign of Tymofiy Khmelnytsky[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now without prejudice. Template:Campaignbox Moldavian campaign of Tymofiy Khmelnytsky indicates that this category could include up to 8 articles, but only 3 of them have been written so far, and they are fine to leave in the parent category for now. NLeeuw (talk) 14:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- PS: An argument could be made to merge Template:Campaignbox Moldavian campaign of Tymofiy Khmelnytsky to Template:Campaignbox Khmelnytsky Uprising for now as well, but that's beyond the scope of CFD. NLeeuw (talk) 14:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, a split between Hebrew Bible and Old Testament does not make too much sense in biblical art which largely originates from Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a "main" tree per se. Old Testament is different (order of bible books), broader (with deuterocanonical books) and more applicable to topics that are more exclusively associated with Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination. "Hebrew Bible" is the name for the 39 books common to Judaism and Christianity, and I see no reason why Christianity should be regarded as more important.
- On second thought, it might be better to upmerge Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament to its parents, as it is currently a mostly redundant layer. How does that sound? NLeeuw (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Re "
Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination
", as things stand the "deuterocanonical books" category is within the "Old Testament" one, so isn't this an argument against the status quo as well? But it's resolved if Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament is upmerged to its parents, leaving the subdivisions of the (Christian) Bible as "Hebrew Bible", "deuterocanonical books" and "New Testament" – with no "Old Testament"? I hope I've got that right. Ham II (talk) 16:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Re "
- It is not a "main" tree per se. Old Testament is different (order of bible books), broader (with deuterocanonical books) and more applicable to topics that are more exclusively associated with Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Upmerge & redirect parent Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament (now tagged). There is a Paintings tree within the Art tree, and there is a Hebrew Bible tree within the Old Testament tree. However, I have just removed Choir of San Lorenzo from Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament (as it seemed mistaken or unjustified), leaving only the subcats Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes and Paintings of people in the deuterocanonical books, so there is little justification for keeping that layer at present. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- In fact, having a gap for OT in that layer (paintings by theme) would be consistent with the hierarchy for paintings of people – we have Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people but not Category:Paintings of Old Testament people. – Fayenatic London 14:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disclosure: I have just created Category:Hebrew Bible themes in art, which I judged to be a worthwhile and missing category. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Category: Willesden Cemetery[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete under G7. – Fayenatic London 12:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category: Willesden Cemetery: I created the category in error. Headhitter (talk) 09:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Headhitter: please add a WP:G7 tag to the category page. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Australian business executives by industry[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation to only have one category in here. Mason (talk) 04:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian mining entrepreneurs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: overlapping category. Also there's no Category:Mining entrepreneurs (which suggests that this tree is probably also redundant) Mason (talk) 04:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
support - good points made - however for the record - despite the fact that in the Australian context an entrepreneur tends to infer an investor/wealthy person, whereas businessperson includes and infers potentially management level - the lack of mining entrepeneurs as a tree seems to deny the universal phenomenon, which is extensive. JarrahTree 07:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)- indifferent - closer examination - the specific article exists, and the separation between magnate/business person is clearly made at the head of the category - whereas the american mining business people conflates the issue by having text inside the main page Magnates of the mining industry. The conflation is unhelpful and combines the entrepreneurs and the rest. A merge will simply make a mess. JarrahTree 08:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, the content of this category is a conflation anyway, with many articles about upper management level. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jewish communities destroyed in the Holocaust[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Disclaimer: I would like to say that this is a sensitive topic that should not be treated lightly. I am going to make some observations that seek to address what I see as inappropriate categorisation practices, but I thereby do not seek to deny or diminish or trivialise the severity of The Holocaust. That said: I think this is an WP:ARBITRARYCAT that should be listified, and every entry supported by WP:RS.
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- If we listify this category, we could at least provide reliable sources in which scholars explain what they mean; categories cannot do that for us. NLeeuw (talk) 17:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the category contains articles about current-day European cities and towns rather than articles about pre-1945 Jewish communities. No objection against listification per se, but I think this task is far too big for someone to start with on a short term. The category content may be listed at the talk page of a relevant WikiProject before deletion, for someone, or maybe for multiple editors together, to start listifying in their own pace. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like a good idea. Perhaps the creator @Eladkarmel is willing to do so? NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete These populated places are not notable for being Jewish communities. Dimadick (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not enough commentary on the proposal to listify.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)- @Dimadick Do you support the proposal to listify before deleting? NLeeuw (talk) 18:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Only if there are enough independent sources for such a list. Dimadick (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect there are plenty of libraries full of sources writing about this. But as Marco said, documenting and verifying all that takes a lot of time, so it would probably be best to list the content on a relevant WikiProject talk page. I think the most appropriate would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish history. NLeeuw (talk) 21:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Only if there are enough independent sources for such a list. Dimadick (talk) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick Do you support the proposal to listify before deleting? NLeeuw (talk) 18:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
May 4[edit]
Category:Carolus-Duran[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There's no need to have a category with two interlinked pages. It doesn't help with navigation because the two pages are the painter and the list of their works. Mason (talk) 23:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Beacom College football[edit]
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films by country and year[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. We don't categorize films for the intersection of their home country with individual year, so there's no prospect of this being filled out -- the only contents here are the Egyptian category listed for discussion below (which isn't actually catting the films by year, but by century, and thus wouldn't belong here even if it were kept), and Category:Lists of films by country and year, which is already filed in other subcategories of the parents and thus doesn't need this. Bearcat (talk) 20:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this naturally follows from the nomination below. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Egyptian films by year[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Misconceived category scheme without precedent or siblings. Despite the name of the parent category here, the contents are not actually "by year" -- Wikipedia does not categorize films for the intersection of country with individual year of release anyway, so that wouldn't even be supportable. Instead, what's actually here is two subcategories for Egyptian films by century -- but that's not a thing we do either, because that's far too wide a classification to be useful when it comes to film, and no other country has anything like this.
And for added bonus, by far the majority of Egyptian films haven't even actually been filed under here at all: Category:Egyptian films by genre has around 500 films under it, while this has just 37.
We can and do cross-categorize films on the intersection of country with decade, so no prejudice against the creation of that scheme here if desired, but by-century is too broad to be a useful grouping when it comes to films.
The Category:Lists of Egyptian films by year subcategory is fine, but is already in Category:Lists of Egyptian films, so no replacement of this is needed. Bearcat (talk) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Defunct IMAX venues[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Defunct IMAX venues to Category:IMAX venues
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 14:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 15:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Statues depicting Mary Magdalene[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Statues depicting Mary Magdalene to Category:Sculptures of Mary Magdalene
- Nominator's rationale: Not all of these sculptures are statues; The Deposition (Michelangelo) is a sculptural group of multiple figures. In this recent CfD "Sculptures of" became the preferred phrasing over "Sculptures depicting". Ham II (talk) 13:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Courtroom novels[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Courtroom novels to Category:Novels set in courtrooms
- Nominator's rationale: Perhaps I've just misunderstood something here, in which case please resoundingly reject this, but I can't seem to find the difference between these two categories or any reason why they should be separate. All but one (The Children Act) of Courtroom novels' entries appear in both categories. If I had to guess, I think one refers to the legal drama (or, more specifically, the "courtroom drama") genre while the other is the setting, but I get the sense that may just be a distinction without difference. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 12:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Seems like a solid observation. NLeeuw (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles by country[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Battles by country to Category:Battles by country involved
- Propose renaming Category:Wars by country to Category:Wars by country involved
- Propose renaming Category:Military operations by country to Category:Military operations by country involved
- Propose renaming Category:Military campaigns by country to Category:Military campaigns by country involved
- Propose renaming Category:Sieges by country to Category:Sieges by country involved
- Propose renaming Category:Naval battles by country to Category:Naval battles by country involved
- Nominator's rationale: To avoid further confusion, and make clear that we mean by country involved, not the geographical location in which the battle, war, military operation/campaign, siege or naval battle took place. All six categories already have a description explaining this, but apparently it is not enough, because editors keep misinterpreting the scope. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location. NLeeuw (talk) 12:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename for more clarity about the purpose of these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sikh monarchs[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Sikh monarchs to Category:Punjabi people and Category:Jat rulers
- Nominator's rationale: dual merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Alt proposal: upmerge Category:Sikh monarchs to Category:Monarchs by religion, purge Category:Maharajas in Punjab (is in the Category:Monarchs in Asia tree). All other parents appear to be inappropriate: not all Sikhs are Punjabis and vice versa (e.g. Punjabi Muslims), not all Jats are Sikhs and vice versa (e.g. Jat Muslim), and not all Maharajas in Punjab were necessarily Sikhs, and it is WP:NONDEFINING for the category (tree) as such; after all, geography defines the Category:Monarchs in Asia tree, and so does Maharajas in Punjab (emphasis by me). In short, there's a lot of generalisation and WP:ARBITRARYCAT going on in this tree. The only thing that really works is placing Category:Sikh emperors into Category:Monarchs by religion; hence my Alt proposal. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- The parents seem to be inappropriate but they do fit the content. All Sikhs in this category are Punjabis, all Jats in this category are Sikhs. The content of this category shouldn't be moved out of the Punjabi or Jat tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- That they do fit the content is irrelevant; we've got other trees for that. Chand Kaur is already in Category:Punjabi women, for example. Btw Duleep Singh was a Christian for several decades, so we can't assume all of them to have been Sikhs ever. If we really wanna categorise all that in 1 category, then we should rename them Category:Punjabi Sikh Jat emperors or something. NLeeuw (talk) 16:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- The nomination is to merge Sikh monarchs, so the fact whether or not they were Sikhs becomes moot. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean? That being a Sikh is WP:NONDEFINING for Sikh monarchs? We do have a Category:Monarchs by religion tree, you know? NLeeuw (talk) 11:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is a fair point. Then I will withdraw this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean? That being a Sikh is WP:NONDEFINING for Sikh monarchs? We do have a Category:Monarchs by religion tree, you know? NLeeuw (talk) 11:58, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- The nomination is to merge Sikh monarchs, so the fact whether or not they were Sikhs becomes moot. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- That they do fit the content is irrelevant; we've got other trees for that. Chand Kaur is already in Category:Punjabi women, for example. Btw Duleep Singh was a Christian for several decades, so we can't assume all of them to have been Sikhs ever. If we really wanna categorise all that in 1 category, then we should rename them Category:Punjabi Sikh Jat emperors or something. NLeeuw (talk) 16:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- The parents seem to be inappropriate but they do fit the content. All Sikhs in this category are Punjabis, all Jats in this category are Sikhs. The content of this category shouldn't be moved out of the Punjabi or Jat tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Hindkowan families[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Hindkowan families to Category:Hindkowan people
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Hindkowan diaspora[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Hindkowan diaspora to Category:Hindkowan people
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Fictional West Asian people[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Fictional West Asian people to Category:Fictional Asian people; purging Category:Fictional Arabs and Category:Fictional Middle Eastern people (has been cat-see also'd), because not necessarily "Asian"
- Propose upmerging Category:Fictional Central Asian people to Category:Fictional Asian people
- Propose upmerging Category:Fictional South Asian people to Category:Fictional Asian people
- Propose upmerging Category:Fictional Southeast Asian people to Category:Fictional Asian people
- Propose upmerging Category:Fictional East Asian people to Category:Fictional Asian people
- Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 April 29#Category:Fictional Western European people (all Upmerged) per WP:NONDEFINING and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, European regions do not have natural geographic boundaries and in history the European countries have interacted with each other heavily irrespective of any region definitions. I am not sure if the same applies to Asia. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep all except West Asia. Most people agree on the definitions of the subregions of Asia, except for West Asia and the classification of Afghanistan. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 11:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)- Let's do a simple reading, shall we?
- South Asia#Definition:
The geographical extent is not clear cut as systemic and foreign policy orientations of its constituents are quite asymmetrical. Beyond the core territories of the Indian Empire (territories of the British Empire which were under the system of British Raj), there is a high degree of variation as to which other countries are included in South Asia.
- Central Asia#Definition:
The borders of Central Asia are subject to multiple definitions.
- East Asia#Definitions: (complicated, read for yourselves)
- Southeast Asia#Definition:
Although from a cultural or linguistic perspective the definitions of "Southeast Asia" may vary, the most common definitions nowadays include the area represented by the countries (sovereign states and dependent territories) listed below.
(WP:UNSOURCED, typical case of WP:OR) - West Asia#Definition
The term West Asia is used pragmatically and has no "correct" or generally accepted definition.
- It's quite evident that there are no universally accepted definitions of these subregions. Same as with Europe. East Asia seems closest to having a commonly accepted definition, but even there we see lots of variation in official usage by governments and international organisations like the UN. Geography doesn't really provide natural boundaries, at least very few that seem to follow present-day national borders. (E.g. the Himalayas do represent the northern boundary of "South Asia", but UNESCO includes Tibet and Uyghur in "Central Asia", which most definitions include into "East Asia", so that doesn't help very much.) As LP indicates, Afghanistan could be included in Central, South and even West Asia (for biological, geological or cultural-linguistic reasons); Pakistan is also sometimes included in "Middle East / West Asia and North Africa". Myanmar could be both South and Southeast Asia. And so on. NLeeuw (talk) 12:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- LaundryPizza03's made a comment about West Asia. It does make sense to merge West Asia and keep Asia as a parent of Middle East because West Asia and Middle East are almost coterminous. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:28, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm even more opposed to "Fictional Middle Eastern people", actually. It's one of the most arbitrary eurocentric neologisms of the 20th century, rarely has a positive connotation, and comes with numerous generalisations. I've been gently steering towards commonly accepted continental categorisations where that seems appropriate instead of these arbitrary regions and subregions that everyone seems to have a home-made arbitrary definition for. NLeeuw (talk) 22:16, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- You might nominate Category:Fictional Middle Eastern people too, for manual merge to Category:Fictional Asian people, but I do not expect consensus for that to be honest. I am indifferent between West Asia and Middle East myself, I was merely argueing that we do not need both. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm even more opposed to "Fictional Middle Eastern people", actually. It's one of the most arbitrary eurocentric neologisms of the 20th century, rarely has a positive connotation, and comes with numerous generalisations. I've been gently steering towards commonly accepted continental categorisations where that seems appropriate instead of these arbitrary regions and subregions that everyone seems to have a home-made arbitrary definition for. NLeeuw (talk) 22:16, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Public baths in the Arab world[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Public baths in the Arab world to Category:Public baths, except those already in Category:Public baths in Spain
- Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. 5 out of 16 are located in Spain, 1 in Israel, which are not usually considered part of the "Arab world" (itself a contested and arbitrary term). It also seems that "Turkish bath", "Islamic bath" and "Arab(ic) bath" are all lumped together. I think the non-Spain articles are best upmerged for now. For the others, subcategories can be created once they have at least 5 articles. Morocco, Syria, Egypt etc. NLeeuw (talk) 15:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Hammam per article title Hammam. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm but not all of those were "Turkish/Ottoman" baths. I do agree that some of them could be transferred to Category:Ottoman baths instead, especially the 9 with "Hammam" in their article titles. NLeeuw (talk) 16:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- From what I understand from the Hamman article, it does not have to be restricted to Turkish/Ottoman. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm but not all of those were "Turkish/Ottoman" baths. I do agree that some of them could be transferred to Category:Ottoman baths instead, especially the 9 with "Hammam" in their article titles. NLeeuw (talk) 16:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 11:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)- Hmmm ok. Rename to Category:Hammam per Marcocapelle. NLeeuw (talk) 12:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Natural history[edit]
- Propose deleting:
- Category: Natural history
- Category: Natural history by continent
- Category: Natural history by country
- Category: Natural history by dependent territory
- Category: Natural history museums by country
- Category: Natural history of Africa by country
- Category: Natural history of Africa
- Category: Natural history of Antarctica
- Category: Natural history of Asia by country
- Category: Natural history of Asia
- Category: Natural history of Bahrain
- Category: Natural history of Bangladesh
- Category: Natural history of Barbados
- Nominator's rationale: delete, Natural history used to be what we call Natural sciences today, the umbrella term of biology, physics, chemistry etc. The current meaning of natural history is very fuzzy. The content of these categories largely overlaps with Category:Environment of Bangladesh, Category:Environment of Barbados etc. This is a follow-up nomination after Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_11#Natural_history. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per precedent. These are WP:ARBITRARYCATs which do not aid navigation. NLeeuw (talk) 17:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a confused nomination citing another confused discussion as precedent. There is certainly a reasonable intersection between the natural sciences, such as the biology, botany, zoölogy, paleontology, geology, etc. of a place, and the place that they represent. The nominator here and in the previous discussion linked above notes that the term "natural history" is somewhat synonymous with "natural sciences", which would be a valid reason to move these categories or change the titles to "natural history of foo", but not to delete them unless they simply duplicated "natural sciences of foo" or "environment of foo", or a similarly-named set of categories.
- But in many instances there are no such categories; I came here from WikiProject West Virginia, and there does not seem to be a similar category combining the included articles or subcategories. The overlap mentioned by the nominator does not exist in this instance, and probably does not in many others. It makes no sense to use the supposed overlap with categories that do not exist as a justification for deleting others that do. The second comment above, supporting deletion, is for a completely different reason: the supposition that there is no valid intersection between the natural sciences of an area, region, or country.
- The nominator seems to suppose that there is value in collecting these articles and subcategories, but that these are redundant and mistitled; the other person does not think there is any point in collecting them in the first place. This is the same pair of contradictory reasons provided by the same two editors in the above-linked discussion being cited as precedent. I also submit that said discussion involved only these two and one other editor, and so does not set a very strong precedent for deciding the fate of hundreds of existing categories. P Aculeius (talk) 11:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Natural history of West Virginia consists like its siblings of biota, flora, fauna, forests which are or belong in environment. There are also geology and paleontology subcategories which are very unrelated. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- They are related in the sense that "environment" is related to both geology and paleontology, and readers might be served by finding a category or container category for these items together, grouped by state, region, or country. Just as a category for "natural sciences" groups these topics (or parent categories containing them), someone studying a particular place wold benefit from being able to find a grouping of biology, geology, paleontology, etc. relating to that place.
- It also makes sense to group the natural sciences away from cultural topics, such as history, politics, education, etc., rather than just having one overarching category for the place containing all of the subcategories or topics relating to it. For example, it makes sense to have "Fauna of West Virginia", "Geology of West Virginia", "Cheat Canyon", and "Mingo Oak" grouped together with each other, but not with "List of governors of West Virginia", "Taxation in West Virginia" and "Tennessee Gas Pipeline".
- As far as the title is concerned, alternative formulations—"environment of", for example—can be a bit vague; is a list of species part of "environment", or the geography of the Appalachians? Is paleontology a topic within "environment"? It seems to me that "natural history" is the broadest formulation, as "natural sciences" might be understood to have a more limited scope; a salamander or a canyon might not sound like it fits in the latter category—although I suppose someone unfamiliar with the term "natural history" might regard it similarly. Either way, deleting the category seems unhelpful to readers. P Aculeius (talk) 15:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Natural history of West Virginia consists like its siblings of biota, flora, fauna, forests which are or belong in environment. There are also geology and paleontology subcategories which are very unrelated. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per P Aculeius, whose arguments have completely convinced me that these categories are both useful and not redundant. Whether "natural history" or "natural science" is the better title I'm unsure of, but whichever is deletion is not the answer. Thryduulf (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- There isn't any grouping in science that treats biology (flora and fauna), geology and paleontology as a coherent group. Neither "natural history" nor "natural sciences" are commonly used for such combinations. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- And yet, it seems that all of these are included under the headings of "natural history" and "natural sciences". So are those groupings invalid, or just not the categories that come first to mind when thinking of individual sciences? P Aculeius (talk) 15:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- They are included under the headings of "natural history" here in Wikipedia categories. But that does not mean anything. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- If "natural history" and/or "natural sciences" are valid categories of science, as they seem to be, then it makes sense to group the subjects of these headings by location. Anyone researching places, such as West Virginia, California, Poland, Saudi Arabia, etc. would presumably benefit from finding categories containing sciences related to those specific places, as opposed to history, politics, economics, etc. It may be possible to subdivide "natural history" or "natural sciences" into narrower groups of topics—but that doesn't mean that the overarching categories are of no value to readers. P Aculeius (talk) 14:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- They are included under the headings of "natural history" here in Wikipedia categories. But that does not mean anything. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- And yet, it seems that all of these are included under the headings of "natural history" and "natural sciences". So are those groupings invalid, or just not the categories that come first to mind when thinking of individual sciences? P Aculeius (talk) 15:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all country and continent categories as an unnecessary duplication of existing categories. We should probably keep Category:Natural history and Category:Natural history museums by country. But if not deleted, due to lack of consensus, then restore those deleted in the previous nomination. – Fayenatic London 13:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Beringia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, anachronistic content, Beringia is a concept from prehistoric geography, but the category only contains current-day geography. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Marcocapelle's definition contradicts the maim article Beringia, which defines it as a current region. Dimadick (talk) 18:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- It does not. It was one coherent region because the Bering Street was dry land. That is no longer the case. Beringia is not usually on any current-day map. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Oppose per Dimadick. Nom seems to ignore the fact that the English term Beringia is also used for a present-day region. That it doesn't usually appear on present-day maps is an argument from anecdotal evidence. If nom could demonstrate that the category arbitrarily mixes up past and present in a confusing manner, that would be interesting to consider for a renaming or split, or something. NLeeuw (talk) 11:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Except a spurious touristic source, all sources referenced to are related to prehistory. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. That one source, https://www.nps.gov/subjects/beringia/index.htm, claiming that Beringia still exists today, evidently represents a fringe view not supported by the first 10 other sources I checked. All other language versions also support the idea that it is a region which no longer exists, and equivalent to "Bering Land Bridge". So let's remove that spurious source, and delete the whole category that has nothing to do with the geological, geographical and human migratory aspect of Beringia. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Virginia dynasty[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: per WP:NARROWCAT. The category is a limited scope to only four people. There will not be further additions to this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:09, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Five articles are more than enough for a category. Dimadick (talk) 19:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, it does not seem a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. The main article Virginia dynasty is poorly developed, and most of the bios of the 4 presidents do not even mention the term, or only in passing. The term "dynasty" can only be considered a very loose metaphor anyway, as these were elected presidents in a republic, not related to each other biologically, none of them was born in Virginia, the 2nd president John Adams breaks the "line", even the first president's "Virginity" (pun intended) is questioned in the 2nd sentence, so all we really have is 3 presidents who weren't really born in Virginia, not really related to each other, not really monarchs who succeeded each other dynastically, being randomly associated by some people, but not really a lot of people. Yeah... nah. We might almost delete the main article as well, but that's beyond this CFD. NLeeuw (talk) 11:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Northamptonshire[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Northamptonshire to Category:Military history of Northamptonshire
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location. NLeeuw (talk) 10:53, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Fukushima Prefecture[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Fukushima Prefecture to Category:Battles involving Japan
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location. NLeeuw (talk) 10:51, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, these are battles with involvement of local rulers, "involving Japan" is slightly off because the government of Japan was not involved, but "in Fukushima Prefecture" makes even less sense. On top of that, the number of articles is not such that we should keep this category under a better name. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in the Azores[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in the Azores to Category:Military history of the Azores; purge parent Category:Battles involving Portugal
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location. Not all these battles involved Portugal, but they did have something to do with the Azores. NLeeuw (talk) 10:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Admittedly a few of these battles took place between 1580 and 1640 when Portugal was part of Spain (which is probably a legally incorrect way of phrasing it) but I don't think that this is a good enough reason to remove Category:Battles involving Portugal as a parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Every single one of them is already in Category:Battles involving Portugal, or a subcategory of it. Purging is completely justified. NLeeuw (talk) 14:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Uganda[edit]
- Propose manually upmerging Category:Battles in Uganda to...
- Category:Battles involving Uganda if Republic of Uganda was a participant;
- otherwise to Category:Military history of Uganda
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location. I propose to manually upmerge these to battles in Uganda where applicable, and if the modern Republic of Uganda was not a participant, to Category:Military history of Uganda. NLeeuw (talk) 10:28, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but I would recommend Category:Battles of the Uganda–Tanzania War as a third option. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well-spotted! There is large overlap with Category:Uganda–Tanzania War already. NLeeuw (talk) 12:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Latvia[edit]
- Propose manually merging Category:Battles in Latvia to (where applicable)...
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location. These battles are an WP:ARBITRARYCAT / WP:OVERLAPCAT mix of Category:Battles of the Livonian Crusade, Category:Battles involving the Livonian Order, Category:Battles involving Latvia, and others. I propose to manually merge all items into one of these categories (if they're not there already), and put any remainders into Category:Military history of Latvia. NLeeuw (talk) 10:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, "in Latvia" is anachronistic because Latvia did not exist yet, but there have been other states in the same region who already have their own battles category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Jamaica[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Jamaica to Category:Military history of Jamaica
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN, WP:ARBITRARYCAT; location seems to be WP:NONDEFINING. Even if it were defining, it's only 3 items, so Upmerge for now applies. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location. NLeeuw (talk) 10:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, the anachronism argument (which I argued below) may not apply, arguably this refers to the island of Jamaica. But nom is right about the small size of the category anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Estonia[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Battles in Estonia to Category:Military history of Estonia; purge Battle of Määritsa and Battle of Wesenberg (1268)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN, WP:ARBITRARYCAT; location seems to be WP:NONDEFINING. Parent Category:Battles involving Estonia does not apply to 13 out of 15 articles, as "Estonia" as such did not exist, or was not a participant. Battle of Määritsa and Battle of Wesenberg (1268) are already in Category:Battles involving Estonia, and although that involved the Estonian partisans/Forest Brothers and the Duchy of Estonia (1219–1346) ("Danish Estonia") respectively, that is arguably correct. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location. NLeeuw (talk) 10:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, "in Estonia" is anachronistic because Estonia did not exist yet. "History of" is arguably correct though. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:25, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Angola[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Angola to Category:Military history of Angola
- Alt proposal: manually recategorise most contents to Category:Battles involving Portuguese Angola; Upmerge remainder to Category:Military history of Angola
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN, WP:ARBITRARYCAT; location seems to be WP:NONDEFINING. Not all battles involved the modern republic of Angola, so parent Category:Battles involving Angola does not always apply. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location.
- Alt proposal rationale: A partial alternative may be to manually recategorise the majority of the contents into a to-be-created Category:Battles involving Portuguese Angola (as many involved the colony of Portuguese Angola), and Upmerge the remainder to Category:Military history of Angola. NLeeuw (talk) 09:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Prefer the alternative because many of the battles did involve (Portuguese) Angola. The alternative will also ensure that the battles are kept in the tree of Category:Portuguese Angola if applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Private battles in the British Isles[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:NARROWCAT; location seems to be WP:NONDEFINING. Unclear what added value "private" has, and both other parents by definition do not apply to all items and subcategories. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location. NLeeuw (talk) 09:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but disperse to Category:Military history of England and Category:Military history of Scotland because Category:Military history of Great Britain is only about the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving the Seljuk Turks in Anatolia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN, WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:NARROWCAT; location seems to be WP:NONDEFINING. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Category:Battles by location. NLeeuw (talk) 09:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Category:Sultanate of Rum is already in Category:States in medieval Anatolia, that should suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Deaths from asthma in the Isle of Man[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one asthma death in the isle of man, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 05:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Medieval canals[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in the 1120s to Category:Canals opened in the 12th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1120s
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in the 1230s to Category:Canals opened in the 13th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1230s
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in the 1270s to Category:Canals opened in the 13th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1270s
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in the 1390s to Category:Canals opened in the 14th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1390s
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in the 1460s to Category:Canals opened in the 15th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1460s
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in the 1490s to Category:Canals opened in the 15th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in the 1490s
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated categories with very little content, this does not contribute to easy navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
May 3[edit]
Category:Deaths from tabes dorsalis[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. This category is for a specific way to die from syphilis. I don't think that the specific mechanism is defining Mason (talk) 22:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cartoonists by country templates[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only contains 1 template which is already within Category:Comics creator navigational boxes. – Fayenatic London 21:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not deleted, then rename to Category:Cartoonists templates which could also hold Template:Underground comix cartoonists, Template:Cartoonists from Kerala, Template:Cartoonist-stub and its 3 related national templates, and Template:Seth (cartoonist). These are the only templates with cartoonist in the name, although there may be other navboxes for comics creators who are more specifically cartoonists. – Fayenatic London 21:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Renaming and populating isn't a bad idea at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people by book[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people by book to Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people
- Propose merging Category:Paintings of Book of Exodus people to Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people (added later)
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category layer. It had only one parent (the target category); I added Category:Books of the Hebrew Bible, but that doesn't really make this into a useful intersection. – Fayenatic London 20:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. In addition two of the subcategories may be upmerged too. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Certainly also merge Category:Paintings of Book of Exodus people (now tagged) as it only has a Moses subcat. But the Daniel subcat still has 5 pages, which is enough, even after you removed Susannah. – Fayenatic London 14:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Many books of the Hebrew Bible are remixings and recyclings of other books of the Hebrew Bible, and so we could get endless category duplicates for all the Hebrew Bible books that mention Moses, Joshua, Jacob etc. NLeeuw (talk) 08:53, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Paintings of figures from the Deuteronomistic history[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Deuteronomistic history (see Deuteronomistic history) is not part of the standard division of Bible books in either Jewish or Christian tradition. – Fayenatic London 20:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: If not merged, this should be renamed using "people" rather than "figures" like its parent hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 20:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, trivial intersection between biblical art and historical critical scholarship. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Marcocapelle. It is unwise to be intersecting critical scholarship and biblical art this way; most paintings were created before modern critical scholarship even existed. NLeeuw (talk) 08:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, not so much a "trivial intersection" but an unfamiliar term to most, and a tree that is not too crowded anyway. Johnbod (talk) 04:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nudity in film[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This is a purge proposal rather than a deletion proposal per se; there may be a case to be made that the ongoing monitoring needed to properly maintain this category is more trouble than it's worth, although that's not the argument I'm prepared to mount in the moment (though I wouldn't stand in the way of a consensus going in that direction either.)
The issue here is that the category's usage note states that it is for films that "pioneered nudity or were controversial due to nudity", but it has a bad habit of collecting random films that happen to have nude scenes in them without stating or sourcing anything whatsoever about the nude scenes being either "pioneering" or "controversial" -- on a random spotcheck of about ten or so articles here, only one contained any content whatsoever to support any kind of controversy, and the majority failed to even contain the words "nude" or "nudity" at all apart from the presence of this category.
It's certainly possible that some of the films I didn't check were genuinely pioneering or controversial (I didn't, frex, spotcheck anything with "naked" or "nude" in its title, since I was looking for questionable entries rather than obviously includable ones), but not everything in this category actually fits that criterion -- so it needs to be either purged of any entries that aren't sourceably pioneering or controversial, or simply deleted as more trouble to maintain than it's worth. A category indiscriminately listing all films that ever had nude scenes in them at all is certainly not something we would need, but that's exactly what this is in danger of becoming if we're not sufficiently on the ball about keeping it clean. Bearcat (talk) 20:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge every individual film, as too subjective. If after the purge the category becomes too small, just upmerge. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge every individual film & add catdesc saying not to include individual films. This probably leaves only 4 items – Nudity in film, Nudity clause, Softcore pornography, Sexploitation film – plus the two subcategories. That seems alright for now. NLeeuw (talk) 09:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:McCarthyists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:McCarthyists to Category:American anti-communists
- Nominator's rationale: Direct overlap between this category and the anti-communist category. User:Namiba 19:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose I think McCarthyists represent a specific era of American anti-communism, namely the late 1940s through the 1950s, as the main article McCarthyism says. It's also a more specific style of anti-Communism, connected with American patriotism and replete with conspiracy theories that turned out to be false. Plenty of American anti-communists of the time had different reasons for opposing communism than the rather fringe ideas of a demagogue and conspiracist like McCarthy. NLeeuw (talk) 09:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at the articles in this category, few of them make any mention of McCarthyism and are not defined by it. McCarthyism is a catch-all term for anti-communism during the aforementioned period. Outside of Joseph McCarthy and a few others, anti-communist is a better descriptor according to sources.--User:Namiba 11:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or merge, looking at the articles, many aren't defined by either anti-communism or McCarthyism, so deletion is also a good option. Otherwise merge, people living in the same time and having similar opinions as one senator is a kind of WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Swedish emigrants to Japan[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Swedish emigrants to Japan to Category:Swedish emigrants and Category:Immigrants to Japan
- Propose merging Category:Australian emigrants to the Netherlands to Category:Australian emigrants and Category:Immigrants to the Netherlands
- Nominator's rationale: Dual speedy upmerge for now. These categories were deleted due to only having one person it in (and is still the case), which wasn't helpful for navigation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_11#More_emigrants Mason (talk) 11:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, as contains only one entry. GCarty (talk) 07:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Part of a large and established category tree. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a tree in which every possible combination has its own category. For example there are no less than 33 articles directly in Category:Swedish emigrants and only 30 subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Battles involving Bengal[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, battles are diffused by (former) countries and Bengal was not a country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Battles involving Bangladesh, The battles in the category are involved Bengal region and Bangladesh is created from the a big part of the region. It would be better to rename the category and make specify it for country-wise battle category. Mehedi Abedin 09:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Military history of Bengal. IMHO this is a useful division of Category:History of Bengal. – Fayenatic London 09:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ok that is a reasonable alternative, but then still the content should be added to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms too. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: it should only be a selective merge to that parent, because many of the articles are already in other subcats of that one, and I'm not sure whether the others belong there. I suggest you watch the category and merge any valid missing items yourself if the rename goes through. – Fayenatic London 15:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ok that is a reasonable alternative, but then still the content should be added to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms too. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Fooian American billionaires[edit]
- Propose merging Category:American Italian billionaires (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American billionaires
- Propose merging Category:Italian American billionaires (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American billionaires
- Propose merging Category:Arab American billionaires (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American billionaires
- Propose merging Category:American Hispanic billionaires (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American billionaires
- Nominator's rationale: Follow-up discussion to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 24#Category:Asian American billionaires. WP:OCEGRS; upmerge all to Category:American billionaires. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 09:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ethnic groups in Europe by language family[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Ethnic groups in Europe by language family to Category:Ethnic groups by language family
- Propose upmerging Category:Turkic peoples of Europe to Category:Turkic peoples
- Nominator's rationale: Geography is WP:NONDEFINING for language families. Each of these "ethnic groups" (if we can even call them that) has "members" living on every single continent on Earth, and there is no reason to categorise them by continent. NLeeuw (talk) 14:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. It is a strange category tree anyway, it is more like ethnic groups named after their language family, or maybe just ethnolinguistic groups. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:United States National Recording Registry albums[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The same rationale as last time: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 28#Category:United States National Recording Registry albums. I still see no reason for this category to be active and it is still redudant to Category:United States National Recording Registry recordings. Even if all the album articles were listed under the United States National Recording Registry albums category, that would just leave songs and other miscellaneous records under the United States National Recording Registry recordings category. It is really a crime to have all the inducted recordings under one category? QuasyBoy (talk) 18:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, at least merge to Category:United States National Recording Registry recordings rather than delete. Nominator does not make clear what is wrong with Category:United States National Recording Registry albums though. It is not redundant per se, it is simply more specific. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Sikh terrorism by country[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Sikh terrorism by country to Category:Sikh terrorism
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only three (and probably soon only two) subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles by location[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 10:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Propose deleting Category:Battles by location (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)Withdrawn for nowPropose deleting Category:Battles of the Middle Ages by location (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)Withdrawn for nowPropose purging Category:Battles by country (this category is by country involved, not by "country in which the battle took place"; we may consider renaming it to Category:Battles by country involved as a separate nomination to avoid future confusion)Done per WP:BOLDPropose purging Category:Naval battles by sea or ocean (this category is in the Category:Battles by type tree, which is about how a battle is fought in relation to its battlespace; it is not meant to identify the exact location where every single naval battle in history took place, but rather naval battles at sea/ocean as opposed to riverine warfare and battles on inland lakes)Done per WP:BOLD
- Nominator's rationale: Recently created (12 March 2024) trivial intersection between military history and modern geography. We categorise Category:Battles by "country" (i.e. "battles involving country X"), "period", "type" (naval, aerial etc.), and "war", but not location or geography. We should follow precedent and delete any battles category based on location/geography as a WP:NONDEFINING WP:TRIVIAL WP:CROSSCAT.
- Follow-up to:
- Procedural note: I think it is important to confirm the precedents first, namely that battles should not be categorised by location/geography. But if it is desired that all subcategories be included in this nomination rather than nominated in a follow-up, I will tag them as well. But I expect that they will need a customised case-by-case approach with mergers and renamings, as happened with the Flanders/Wallonia, Drenthe, and Netherlands by province precedents. It would be wise to do so according to the Manescheut principle: Merging to the History of (modern territory) category (Ane), or Merging to the historically applicable territory (Scheut). E.g. Category:Battles in the Azores could be upmerged to Category:History of the Azores (Ane), merged to Category:History of the Portuguese Empire (Scheut), or perhaps renamed to Category:Military history of the Azores; it doesn't necessarily need to be deleted, but the current situation is untenable.
- Therefore, to prevent a WP:TRAINWRECK, I'm only nominating the recently created two new categories for deletion, and to purge the subcategories that are in the battle by country (involved) and battle by type (battlespace) trees. NLeeuw (talk) 09:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- The nomination deserves sympathy, but the proposal is deletion of the parent categories while the subcategories are the bigger issue. By deleting the parents we will merely loose sight of the subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Granted. Then maybe I should start by the roots of the tree first? Alternately, I could simply copypaste the contents of the category here for reference while we clean the tree up, so that we don't lose sight of it.
- Incidentally, it does have a main article: List of battles by geographic location. A December 2022 AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles by geographic location, decided to keep but split the article by country. Some efforts have been made to do that, but it is far from completed. The argument that the location of a battle may be WP:NONDEFINING or WP:TRIVIAL, or in the words of the nom Second, it is organized by current country, even if the battle took place before the country existed and who in the world is going to look for the Battle of Megiddo (15th century BC) in the Israel section?, did not receive broad support in favour of deletion by the other participants, who seemed only concerned with navigability. Moreover, nobody seemed concerned that the entire list is WP:UNSOURCED.
- This does worry me a little. If the mainspace does not object to putting battles in lists by geographic location, does the category space have a good reason to object to it and delete such categories anyway? NLeeuw (talk) 14:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- PS: List of battles in Belgium was even deleted on 18 March 2024, shortly after it was split off from the List of battles by geographic location, because it had
no sources
. The same could happen to all lists of battles by country that have been split off or will be split off in the future. I'm not sure how we should proceed. NLeeuw (talk) 14:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)- Starting by the roots of the tree first would have my preference, copypasting the contents of the category here for reference while we clean the tree up would be my second choice. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I've withdrawn the nomination for now (see below), and began working on the roots of the tree. I also just found WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN as a good guideline to invoke in phasing out battles by location categories. NLeeuw (talk) 10:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Starting by the roots of the tree first would have my preference, copypasting the contents of the category here for reference while we clean the tree up would be my second choice. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- PS: List of battles in Belgium was even deleted on 18 March 2024, shortly after it was split off from the List of battles by geographic location, because it had
- Withdraw nomination for now as nom. We will start by the roots of this category tree first and work our way to the top. I've WP:BOLDly purged the two subcategories already for this purpose. NLeeuw (talk) 09:25, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football seasons[edit]
- Keep; standard cat scheme. Jweiss11 (talk) 16:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Saying something is standard, so we should keep it, is not a compelling reason. Having only one category is not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 23:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it is. Parallelism matters and should be considered a central pillar of Wikipedia. If this cat merged as nominated, then 1943 Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football team is lost from the tree at Category:College football seasons by team. User:Let'srun's notations here are becoming tiresome and obstructive. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with the problem, it should also be merged to Category:College football seasons. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, did you mean Category:College football seasons by team? Jweiss11 (talk) 20:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, I mean a new category, of which Category:College football seasons by team should be a subcategory, and to which articles of current one-article subcategories would be moved. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note that there's already Category:College football seasons in the United States, which is a parent of Category:College football seasons by team. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I overlooked that. It is quite confusing that the parent category has "in the United States" in the name while Category:College football seasons by team has not. Then Category:College football seasons in the United States should be the new merge target, at least in theory. But the article is already in a year subcategory of it, so then my comment becomes about a second merge target entirely moot. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it is. Parallelism matters and should be considered a central pillar of Wikipedia. If this cat merged as nominated, then 1943 Pocatello Army Air Base Bombardiers football team is lost from the tree at Category:College football seasons by team. User:Let'srun's notations here are becoming tiresome and obstructive. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:21, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Film controversies in India[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Subcategories of Category:Film controversies by country: this one also has a subcategory which needs purging, so I have elected to nominate it separately to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK. Purge of all articles about films, leaving only the articles about controversies themselves. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge all articles about a particular film, but keep subcategories and articles about controversies, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 08:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Film controversies in South Africa[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Subcategories of Category:Film controversies by country: I don't see a future for this category in its current state. Most of the articles in this category are controversial films, not articles about film controversies. What stopped me from including it in the mass nomination is Films and Publications Act, 1996, which seems does not seem to belong here, either. Even if we grant that it does belong here, after purging the articles about films this would be a single-member category. Delete this category; discussion of the categorization of Films and Publications Act, 1996 can take place at Talk:Films and Publications Act, 1996 HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. With regard to Films and Publications Act, 1996, it is unclear to me why it is in this category in the first place. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Film controversies in Malaysia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Subcategories of Category:Film controversies by country: I don't see a future for this category in its current state. Most of the articles in this category are controversial films, not articles about film controversies. What stopped me from including it in the mass nomination is 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal, which seems does not seem to belong here, either. Even if we grant that it does belong here, after purging the articles about films this would be a single-member category. Delete this category; discussion of the categorization of 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal can take place at Talk:1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. With regard to 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal, it is unclear to me why it is in this category in the first place. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Subcategories of Category:Film controversies by country[edit]
- DELETING:
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Argentina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Austria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Bangladesh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Belarus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Belgium (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Brazil (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in China (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in the Czech Republic (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Finland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Germany (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Ghana (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Hong Kong (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Hungary (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Iceland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Indonesia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Iran (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Ireland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Israel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Italy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Japan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Kazakhstan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Kenya (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Kyrgyzstan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Lebanon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Mexico (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Myanmar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in the Netherlands (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in New Zealand (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Nigeria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in North Korea (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Norway (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Pakistan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in the Philippines (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Poland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Portugal (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Romania (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Russia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Samoa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Singapore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in South Korea (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Spain (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Sweden (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Taiwan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Thailand (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Tibet (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Tunisia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Turkey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Ukraine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in the United Arab Emirates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Venezuela (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Vietnam (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film controversies in Yugoslavia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- PURGING:
- Propose purging Category:Film controversies in Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose purging Category:Film controversies in France (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose purging Category:Film controversies in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose purging Category:Film controversies in the United Kingdom (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Film controversies in Spain, in which it was decided to nominate the entire tree of Category:Film controversies by country. I would in theory say we should purge the categories of articles about films themselves – leaving only articles about controversies themselves. However, doing that would leave most of these categories empty. Therefore, I have nominated those categories for deletion, with no prejudice against recreating any of these categories if they can be appropriately populated. The ones which do contain articles about film controversies themselves (e.g. Category:Film controversies in Canada contains Natural Born Killers copycat crimes) I have nominated for purging. If, after purging, any category is too small to be useful we can have a discussion about upmerging that category.
I have not nominated Category:Film controversies by country for anything in particular, but I will tag it so it can be discussed here. I personally would advocate for that it be kept, even though most of its contents will no longer exist.
There are also three categories (Category:Film controversies in South Africa, Category:Film controversies in India, and Category:Film controversies in Malaysia) which have considerations specific to that category; I will start separate discussions on those to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK. Also pinging participants in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Film controversies in Spain: Marcocapelle, Bearcat, Qwerfjkl, and Nederlandse Leeuw. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom and my own rationale in the previous discussion. To summarise: It should not be sufficient to only have a "controversy/controversies" section in an article about the film itself; although it may help establish notability, it is usually WP:NONDEFINING. Nor is it appropriate to label an entire film as "controversial" per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, and Category:Controversial films has been repeatedly deleted for that reason. And yet, almost the entire tree of Category:Film controversies by country is currently populated with main articles about the films themselves, rather than stand-alone spin-off articles about the controversies they caused. I think that is very inappropriate categorisation practice. I happened to come across it first with the Spain subcategory, but as this is not a Spain-only issue, at the request of fellow editors, I have withdrawn the nomination in favour of a broad discussion about the entire tree. I thank HouseBlaster for preparing this follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 02:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support i.e. purge all articles about a particular film, but keep subcategories and articles about controversies, per nom. And delete the category if it becomes empty after the purge. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support purging and deleting subsequently empty categories. The same purging appears needed at the parent Category:Film controversies with the rationale Nederlandse Leeuw provides. CMD (talk) 07:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename them like this Category:Bangladeshi films involved in controversies. Mehedi Abedin 11:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's just Category:Controversial films under another name. It remains a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. NLeeuw (talk) 14:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Spam filtering[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Spam filtering to Category:Anti-spam
- Nominator's rationale: These seem to be the same topic - many pages are in both. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. There could be a set category for spam filters but that can be created after this merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
May 2[edit]
Disputed/unknown cause[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents with disputed cause (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Airliner accidents and incidents with an unknown cause (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents with an unknown cause (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Feels very much like a WP:OCMISC to me. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 14:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by mechanical failure[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. Boeing manufacturing and design issues fits just as well in the subcat. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Aviation accidents and incidents involving engineering failures per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Aircraft bombings[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. Category:Kamikaze shouldn't be here at all since the scope appears to be "bombings targeted at aircraft", not "bombings using aircraft as a weapon" (which would be Category:Bomber aircraft) and Kamikaze bombers targeted ships rather than aircraft. That leaves only one redirect and one subcat. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete but move the subcategory Category:Airliner bombings under Category:Vehicle bombings. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete but move the subcategory per Marcocapelle. NLeeuw (talk) 14:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Aviation accidents and incidents involving uncontained engine failure[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents involving uncontained engine failure (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents involving belly landings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by electrical failure (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents involving in-flight depressurization (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by microbursts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by sabotage (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by volcanic events (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer. Only one subcat * Pppery * it has begun... 21:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, but incidentally recategorize the subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 14:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:NAIA Women's Basketball Championships[edit]
Category:Deputy Heads of state[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category of unclear utility, whose name isn't really an accurate reflection of its contents. This was created within the past month solely as a parent for Category:Vice presidential residences -- but that's already a subcategory of Category:Vice presidencies, and the name of this implies that its contents should be people rather than inanimate things related to job titles. There really aren't other types of "deputy head of state" besides vice-presidents anyway, so this functionally just duplicates another category that already exists. Bearcat (talk) 14:34, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Useful category to hold the articles on deputy heads of state, most of which would be titled vice president or other similar titles. 42.200.80.48 (talk) 12:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- They would not be titled vice presidents, they are titled vice presidents. And vice presidents already have their own tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Buildings and structures on the Ashley River (South Carolina)[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Buildings and structures on the Ashley River (South Carolina) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Buildings and structures on the Mobile River (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Buildings and structures on the Trent River (North Carolina) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, the categories contain only one article each, that is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:John Hawks buildings in New Bern, North Carolina[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There's no need to difuse this category be the city that these buildings are in given that these are the only two buildings in the full tree. Mason (talk) 04:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- I added a third article but that does not change matters, the parent category remains empty, so merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nazi Germany ministers[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Nazi Germany ministers to Category:Hitler cabinet ministers
- Nominator's rationale: Fix the rather ungrammatical title of this category and rename it to be consistent the main article, Hitler cabinet (t · c) buidhe 04:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment (no oppose): I think that Category:Ministers of Nazi Germany sounds better. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think that won't work because of the double meaning of "minister" in English. The tree is Category:Government ministers by country, to avoid confusion with the Christian meaning of "minister" (e.g. missionary or evangelist). NLeeuw (talk) 14:46, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename target?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt rename to Category:Government ministers of Nazi Germany per parent Category:Government ministers of Germany (WP:C2C). "cabinet minister" (indirect WP:C2D) could also work as proposed, but it is quite rare by comparison: Category:Cabinet ministers of the Russian Empire, Category:Members of the Cabinet of the Philippines, Category:Members of the Cabinet of the Republic of Hawaii etc. Not sure why Category:Cabinet Ministers of Ghana is a subcategory of Category:Government ministers of Ghana though. Category:Government ministers of Sri Lanka seems to indicate that some ministers are not part of the cabinet (Category:Non-cabinet ministers of Sri Lanka, Non-cabinet minister (Sri Lanka)), while others are. But if there is no distinction between them, I think the "government ministers of Fooland" convention should be maintained throughout the tree. NLeeuw (talk) 14:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt rename, this is less ambiguous than I earlier suggested. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Atari 8-bit family games[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Atari 8-bit family games to Category:Atari 8-bit computer games
- Nominator's rationale: Article has recently gone through a name change to Atari 8-bit computers. This category should reflect that. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Rename Keep in sync with parent article. "Atari 8-bit computer" is more historically accurate than "Atari 8-bit family". Dgpop (talk) 17:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment As the individual who made the move of the Atari 8-bit family article I will politely refrain from the above discussion. I only want to notice that if the rename is decided upon, then also these other categories should be renamed, to maintain consistency:
- Category:Atari 8-bit family to Category:Atari 8-bit computers
- Category:Atari 8-bit family software to Category:Atari 8-bit computer software
- Category:Atari 8-bit family-only games to Category:Atari 8-bit computer-only games
- Category:Cancelled Atari 8-bit family games to Category:Cancelled Atari 8-bit computer games
- Category:Screenshots of Atari 8-bit family games to Category:Screenshots of Atari 8-bit computer games
- Category:Atari 8-bit family game covers to Category:Atari 8-bit computer game covers
--Krótki (talk) 05:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag the categories listed by Krótki.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Unless anyone is going to object to the article move (which happened 2 weeks ago) the category name should just follow the new article name. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename all per nom and Krótki. NLeeuw (talk) 14:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Older discussions[edit]
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