Talk:2009 UEFA Champions League final/GA1

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 20:56, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
In the lead, "...Lionel Messi added another goal 20 minutes from the end to earn Barcelona an historic treble of La Liga", "an" should be replaced with "a". In the Manchester United section, fourth paragraph, how come Mariano's last name is not included? Same section, fifth paragraph, "Meanwhile, a 1–1 draw in Villarreal", the latter is linked to the city, is it supposed to be linked to the city or the team? Same section, same paragraph, what do you mean with this sentence ---> "...firing home a Michael Carrick cross after Arsenal had failed to clear a corner."? Same section, same paragraph, "Park Ji-Sung took advantage of a slip by Kieran Gibbs to double United's aggregate lead in the eighth minute", "slip" like Gibbs tripped? In the First half section, second paragraph, this ---> "having been played the ball by Michael Carrick", what do you mean by "having been played the ball"? That Carrick had the ball? In the Second half, "Manchester United's passes in their attacking third of the field", can you explain? Same section, "A left-wing attack from Ronaldo followed, but after cutting inside, he gave the ball away cheaply", "cheaply"?

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
In the Ticketing section, please link "bank cards" to its correspondence article. In the Manchester United section, please link "Emirates Stadium" once. In the Ticketing section, why is "Fergie's Field" italicized? In the Kits section, why is "Red Devils" italicized?
Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
Reference 113 is missing Publisher info. There's a dead link.

B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

C. It contains no original research:
Is Soccer Bible a reliable source?

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
Not very good, per the article's history page.
Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
File:Cl2009 logo.png is missing its purpose, on the FUR, on why the logo is being used. There seems to be a minor problem with File:2009 Champions League Final opening ceremony.jpg.

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Just a suggestion, maybe having File:Official match ball in Rome.jpg on the left, and File:Massimo Busacca.jpg on the right. Again, just a suggestion, and going by the Manual of Style for images.
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
If the concerns above can be answered, I will pass the article. Good luck with improving this article!

-- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 20:56, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replies

1A) It seems here that some of these problems stem from the differences between British and American culture. The article is written in British English, and I doubt that someone fluent in British English would find a problem with this criterion.

According to English articles, "an may be seen in such phrases as "an historic", "an heroic", "an hôtel of excellence", in both British and American usage", so I think that's fine as it is.
- You know, that's what I was thinking too, but I just wanted to know, obviously I know now.
As far as I can tell, the player is commonly known as Mariano. UEFA.com credited the goal to "Mariano" and their entire match report consistently refers to him without his surname, so I thought it would be OK to simply refer to him as Mariano in the article text, especially since the name links to the correct article anyway.
- Check.
Since Villarreal CF had already been referred to extensively in the preceding paragraphs, I figured a bit of variation might be nice, so I linked the city instead of the team.
- Check.
"...firing home a Michael Carrick cross after Arsenal had failed to clear a corner" means that Manchester United took a corner, which Arsenal could only clear to Michael Carrick. Carrick then crossed the ball, which was then put into the goal by John O'Shea.
- Oh, okay, I wasn't sure about the sentence; it really odd. Check, I guess.
No, I actually mean that Gibbs slipped. One of his feet gave way under him, allowing Park the time and space to put the ball past Manuel Almunia and into the goal.
- Oh, okay.
Yes, that phrase means that Carrick passed the ball to Ronaldo.
- Check.
In football statistics, the pitch is typically divided into thirds. The middle third is always neutral, but the other two thirds can either be one team's attacking third or the other team's defensive third. Therefore, this phrase refers to the passes attempted by Manchester United in the third of the pitch closest to the Barcelona goal.
- Check.
"Cheaply" means that he gave the ball away without much harassment from the Barcelona defenders. I can't describe exactly what I meant when I wrote that passage as I can't remember that particular moment of the game, but I think you get the gist.
- Check.
  - Forgive me, for the terms and stuff, I haven't played the sport in a long, long, long time. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 17:10, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1B)

I have re-linked bank card to ATM card.
- Check.
I have removed the second link to Emirates Stadium.
- Check.
I have de-italicised both phrases.
- Check.

2A)

I assume you mean Reference 13, not Reference 113, but I'm not sure how to attribute the publisher for that reference. There are no copyright symbols on that site, other than for the Manchester United logo. I think the best thing to do would be to assign publisher credit to the author, Andrew Endlar, but I don't know if that's the correct thing to do.
- Huh? I must've been imagining things.
The Wayback Machine doesn't have an archived copy of that page yet, and I can't find a cached copy on Google. The page definitely existed though. I'll try to find an alternate source on UEFA.com with the same info, but if that's not possible you'll just have to assume good faith.
- I'll assume good faith, I believe you'll take care of this.

2C)

Soccer Bible is considered to be one of the most reliable sources on the internet regarding new equipment such as boots, balls and goalkeeper gloves. They have a partnership with Pro-Direct Soccer, which is the "World's Largest Online Football Store" according to their website.
- Just needed to be sure, you know.

5) Stability is a little bit of a problem for this article, but considering that the match was the most-watched global sporting event in 2009 (even ahead of Super Bowl XLIII), I'd say it receives a level of edit warring proportionate to the scale of the event.

Alright. Go Saints. :)

6A)

I have fixed the "purpose" issue with File:Cl2009 logo.png.
- Check.
I don't see that there's much I can do about the deletion nomination for File:2009 Champions League Final opening ceremony.jpg. I have expressed my objection to the nomination at the deletion discussion page. I just hope that this issue is minor enough for you to ignore it.
- Yeah, like I said, a minor issue.

6B) If I move File:Official match ball in Rome.jpg to the left, then I will have two consecutive images on the same side of the page in the same Level 2 section. Is that kosher?

Like I said, just a suggestion. ;)

7) Thanks for the comments, TB. I hope I have responded to your concerns adequately (at least as a starting point anyway!) – Pee Jay 01:12, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, just doing my job as a reviewer. Yup, you've gotten my concerns. I apologize for taking a bit too long to do the review. Quite a large article. Anyways, thank you to PeeJay for getting the stuff I left at the talk page, because I have gone off and placed the article as GA. Congrats. ;) -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 17:10, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]