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Close; and this position shows how far from reality the Ken Sewell "Red Star Rogue" thesis is. Most sources give 40N/180E-W, but a member of the crew of the Glomar Explorer has stated on the internet that the actual position was 6 nms north and west of 40/180. A specific position has appeared in a newspaper at Petropavlovsk which I can provide if anyone is interested. Lee Mathers

Why is Petropavlovsk drawn in as if it has a SOSUS station relevant to the investigation? That's just confusing. Could you get rid of the circle, and just leave the cross-hatch? Scott Paeth (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

What do the circles mean?

The image show three circles centered on Long Beach, California; Pearl Harbor, Hawaii; and Petropavlovsk, Kamchatka; and intersecting at the wreck location. It gives the impression that the United States found the wreck by determining its distance from those three sites, then searching the intersection of those ranges.

This isn't what happened. As the Project Azorian article makes clear, the United States, suspecting the loss of a Soviet submarine (because they saw the Soviets' flurry of search activity), reviewed SOSUS records and learned when the sinking had occurred (by finding it in the record of Naval Facility Point Sur). Then they determined the direction in which the sinking had lain from each of several points (namely, the SOSUS station at Adak, Alaska, and four Air Force AFTAC sites).

The SOSUS article explains that this apparatus determines "horizontal azimuthal beams", finding the direction from which the sound is coming, rather than its range or distance. This could be represented on an illustration such as this by direct lines from the U.S. sensor sites to the wreck location (though it isn't clear, and may not be public knowledge, where the AFTAC sites were).

Also, the places chosen as centers to the circles are odd. Petroplavsk was K129's home port. The U.S. had no way of knowing how far from home the boat was at the moment it imploded or exploded. Pearl Harbor is where USS Halibut sailed from on its mission to find and photograph K129, after the U.S. had determined its approximate location from its sensors. Long Beach is where the Glomar Explorer sailed from after the U.S. had found the wreck and built the Glomar Explorer.

The map is a big addition to the K129 and Project Azorian articless, but those misleading circles should be removed, and Adak, Alaska, and Point Sur, California should be marked. TypoBoy (talk) 18:17, 9 August 2023 (UTC)