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May 12[edit]

May 12, 2024 (2024-05-12) (Sunday)

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RD: Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8th Marquess of Ailesbury[edit]

Article: Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8th Marquess of Ailesbury (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://tdpelmedia.com/noble-tragedy-unfolds-8th-marquess-of-ailesbury-plunges-to-his-death-in-london-accident-while-attending-to-pet/ , https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harrys-model-ex-suffers-32810710
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British peer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have orange-tagged the article. Schwede66 18:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clive Johnstone[edit]

Article: Clive Johnstone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2024/05/16/vice-admiral-sir-clive-johnstone-nato-hms-bulwark-beirut/ , https://www.everand.com/article/732513714/Tributes-Paid-To-Extraordinary-Royal-British-Legion-President
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British Royal Navy Vice Admiral. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are currently only 280 words of prose, without much info on what he did in my many roles in the Royal Navy over his 3+decade-long career. --PFHLai (talk) 23:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Sanborn[edit]

Article: David Sanborn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Amwrican saxophonist. Orange tag. Sincerely, Dilettante 22:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose orange tag: discography, filmography, Broadcasting and Recordings sections are all unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support after cleanup. Influential saxophonist in the jazz fusion era. dekema (Formerly Buffaboy) (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
dekema, it’s irrelevant whether someone was influential. The only relevant issue for a recent death post is whether the article is up to standard. This one is poorly referenced; an orange tag is a showstopper. Schwede66 19:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: A. J. Smith[edit]

Article: A. J. Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

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NFL executive, needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost ready two cn tags needs to be fixed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrinceofPunjab, I updated, re-arranged, and found some sources. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready article is good enough now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods[edit]

I can't see consensus for this to be posted, and editors stopped commenting some days ago. Schwede66 00:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 500 people died due to floods in Afghanistan and Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Flash floods in Baghlan Province, Afghanistan, kill at least 131 people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Flash floods in Baghlan Province, Afghanistan, kill at least 131 people, bringing the total death toll to floods from this season to almost 500.
News source(s): The Guardian, AP, BBC, VOA, CNN
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Ainty Painty (talk) 06:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article should be expanded a bit but otherwise it looks okay. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:30, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but needs to be expanded. LiamKorda 10:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stale. The floods began in March. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks decent enough with continued coverage.BabbaQ (talk) 13:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mostly Stale Some death and bodycounting continues, but the lion's share was in March and April; maybe Ongoing works? InedibleHulk (talk) 17:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ongoing would imply regular blurb-worthy updates, which doesn't appear to be the case here. Disagree with that possibility. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On second look, you're right. I saw May news in the reflist, but not in the body. I choose Oppose. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Misleading, appears like 500 people died suddenly while this wasn't the case, this happened during a period of two months. Also, the current merge discussion is still open, and already was last time this was discussed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per all above. Stale. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The floods in Baghlan, Afghanistan itself with 300 deaths warrants a post ITN. They are definitely not stale, and the article mentions it, thus making the article not stale. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 19:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought I saw May in the body. On third look, you're right. But it's unclear (to me) from reading the sources if these are new deaths or part of a newly updated bodycount. If they're new, you might have a case. But if they've just been Taliban-tallied now, not so much. It'd be weird if ~60% of everyone who's died since March 6 died on Friday. Weirder things happen, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For clarity in those following along at home, the part about what happened in May looks different now. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On 11 May, the Afghan World Food Program office said the floods killed 330 people. Does "On 11 May" refer to the date of the report only (with the deaths being cumulative), or also to the date of the 330 deaths? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the report date, for Afghanistan only (after looking at the sources three times to make sure, anyway). If I were trying to say the floods killed 330 people on 11 May, I'd write it in that order. I can see how it's potentially ambiguous wherever it goes, though; rewrite if you know a clearer way. I'm pretty sure the infobox and lead are overcounting the total somehow, too. But that's just another problem. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's also another UN department telling AFP on May 11 that over 200 died on May 10. That complicates things. The Taliban, in the same news article, announced 62 died that same day (Friday flash flood and Friday report), but that's not necessarily a contradiction, because Saturday (May 11) came later. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As of Saturday (May 11/11 May), the interior ministry counted deaths from the Friday flood in Baghlan province alone at 131 and the UN 218. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Altblurbed to focus on the Baghlan part. As of now, I neither support nor oppose this angle. The article doesn't say enough about it, yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Trying alt2 here to include the death count to date. --Masem (t) 22:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And I changed your "over" to "almost" (330 was mistaken for 430 in an earlier article version). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb 2 the altblurb addresses the above concerns about the clarity of the death toll. FlipandFlopped ツ 02:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Stale item, as mentioned above. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not stale per article dates, needs to be expanded as mentioned above, but adaquately sourced and still ongoing Normalman101 (talk) 18:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

May 11[edit]

May 11, 2024 (2024-05-11) (Saturday)

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RD: Terry Blair (serial killer)[edit]

Article: Terry Blair (serial killer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://abc17news.com/cnn-regional/2024/05/16/kansas-city-serial-killer-terry-blair-convicted-of-killing-several-women-dead-at-62/
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American serial killer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have placed close to a dozen citation needed tags. Schwede66 19:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Susan Backlinie[edit]

Article: Susan Backlinie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT Fox
Credits:

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First Victim in Jaws and acted in several Spielberg movies Normalman101 (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose filmography and other sections are unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:PrinceofPunjab: It's all sourced now. -- GreenC 00:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rewritten, and all text sourced. The filmography box is not sourced but 4 of the 10 films are sourced in the body of the article, and the rest probably can be via the blue links to the films. -- GreenC 01:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I linked to IMDB cast lists for the Filmography box, needs to be cleaned up but the article is looking better thanks to you. Normalman101 (talk) 14:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jasper White (chef)[edit]

Article: Jasper White (chef) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Globe
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Chef.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems generally well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose multiple cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrinceofPunjab, all cn tags have been addressed. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready marking it ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – robertsky (talk) 16:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ron Ellis[edit]

Article: Ron Ellis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nhl.com/news/ron-ellis-dead-at-79 , https://www.iihf.com/en/news/60859/ron_ellis_1945-2024 , https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/ron-ellis-dead-at-79-1.7201746 , https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ron-ellis-who-played-over-1000-games-with-maple-leafs-dead-at-79/
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian professional ice hockey. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 10:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose nearly a dozen cn tags, orange tag and career statistics-International play sections are unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blurb/RD: Roger Corman[edit]

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Article: Roger Corman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American filmmaker Roger Corman (pictured) dies at the age of 98 (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Hollywood Reporter, AP
Credits:

Article updated
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Its going to take a lot of sourcing work to get ready for posting. (Note, died on the 9th but this is first report of his death) --Masem (t) 02:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Support RD once it's up to code. Heck, if I'm willing to be so bold, I would even Support blurb given how he employed/mentored several directors that ended up becoming transformative in the film industry, such as Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, James Cameron, as well as playing a role in launching the extremely influential New Hollywood period. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 04:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD a very significant part of the article is unsourced. Oppose Blurb he is not the most influential filmmaker of our time. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. One of the most influential filmmakers in Hollywood. Had received Academy Award and had decades long career. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb: Once the article is improved. Article shows nobility and how Corman was, according to the article itself, a pioneer of New Hollywood. Definitely influential in his field. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Once article is up to scratch, transformative figure in Cinema. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb He clealrly an influential person in his field but I don't he is blurb-worthy. LiamKorda 10:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, as much I watch B films, off the top of my head I can't name a single Corman-directed film and our article admits his directorial filmography ended by the 1970s. Apparently a less-known tier than Francis Ford Coppola or Steven Spielberg. Brandmeistertalk 13:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb I don’t see how he transformed cinema in the same way his contemporaries Andrei Tarkovsky and Sergio Leone did.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Even as an American, he does not appear to be a truly transformative figure in the film industry way that is necessary to justify a blurb. Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD due to lots of unsourced statements, especially in the early parts of his Career section. Oppose blurb in general- old man dies. -- Kicking222 (talk) 15:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, far from the transformative level we expect for a blurb and, while he helped mentor many extremely influential filmmakers, he sadly didn't rise to that level himself. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Once article is up to standards. Important figure in Cinema. Academy Award and had decades long career, 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Old Man Dies Again, no disrespect, but once again, there's nothing to learn from this "news" except how old he finally became. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Shaped our current pop culture landscape as much as, and indeed probably more than, Stan Lee, and we gave him a blurb. Daniel Case (talk) 22:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb So many people can reach the bar of influence that Corman had. We're giving them all death blurbs? We shouldn't. This is what the RD section was made for. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 00:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's at least 30 paragraphs that don't end with a reference. As well as plenty of other unreferenced information. Stephen 00:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Influencial person, with a good article. I won't be so bold as to support a blurb but i think that the definitely deserves the RD. Seems like the issues have been fixed. Normalman101 (talk) 19:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD - Seems like some of the issues have been fixed, could use some more sourcing, but overall not bad. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Still a great number of unsourced paragraphs and cn tags. — Masem (t) 16:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready I’ve placed about a dozen citation needed tags plus an orange tag. Schwede66 16:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Eurovision Song Contest 2024[edit]

Article: Eurovision Song Contest 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nemo, representing Switzerland, wins the Eurovision Song Contest with "The Code". (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Switzerland, represented by Nemo with "The Code", wins the Eurovision Song Contest.
News source(s): Sky News
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
  • Comment The event article (i.e. bold Eurovision Song Contest 2024) is ITN/R. Kingsif (talk) 23:02, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Technical oppose 1. Detailed results (and Bezençon awards) need adding/refs, 2. Split out the controversies with a sufficient summary at the main article. Kingsif (talk) 23:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quality issues There's a few sections lacking sources, but its close. I don't think it matters if the controversy section is split off or not, though key is leaving a key summary would be required. But all the results have combos of prose and tables and most everything is ready. Also, I believe it is still the country that wins the award, not the performer (though they still should be named) so it should be something like "Switzerland, represented by the song "The Code" performed by Nemo, wins the Eurovision Song Contest 2024". --Masem (t) 23:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Detailed results section needs more refrences. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is way too long and very difficult to read in its current format. Needs some forks in order to make it more reader-friendly. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article is way too long to read, due to excessive amounts of detail bordering on WP:TRIVIA like the "postcard" table, complete voting list, and lists of spokespersons. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • And Nemo (rapper) article is also barely more than a stub, career section needs significant expansion before this could be considered to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think we usually bold link the artist? Kingsif (talk) 10:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • And the contest article has an orange tag for neutrality related to the section on Israel. So all in all, we don't have an article anywhere near meeting WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hopefully resolved that part. Getting the article trimmed? Harder. Kingsif (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The content of the Eurovision articles is governed by the guidelines at WP:EUROVISION, which were updated last year after a discussion. Therefore, so long as a section is in the guidelines it's reasonable to assume that it has some consensus for inclusion. A.D.Hope (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether a section has consensus for inclusion in the article, and whether it makes the article too long to read for someone getting there from the Main Page, are two different things. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure they are two different things. If a section has consensus for inclusion then it presumably isn't generally considered to make the article unreasonably long. A particular example of the section in a given Eurovision Song Contest article might be bloated, but it can always be trimmed. A.D.Hope (talk) 22:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, especially given the orange tagged section for neutrality. That's not the kind of stuff we want on the main page. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as of my time, the article has been improved and there are no longer any CN or Neutrality tags (I addressed two outstanding CN tags myself). I respectfully disagree with the concerns about length. The abundance of charts/tables is broadly consistent with how Eurovision articles are formatted - see, for example, Eurovision Song Contest 2023. In terms of the associated controversies and chronology, this article is longer because there is more to say about this year's event: it was more discussed in the press, it had more politics, more protests, and more drama. An event being MORE discussed resulting in there being MORE to say about it (thus creating a longer article) is the exact reason the article should make it to ITN... not vice versa. It seems strange and very bureaucratic for "this event was more notable and more widely discussed this year, and I don't like how that that made the article longer" to be essentially the reason that this nom is torpedoed. It is ITNR. FlipandFlopped ツ 02:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It still has the WP:TRIVIA like the "postcard" table, complete voting list, and lists of spokespersons. Removing or condensing those into a couple of paragraphs of text would make the article more manageable to read. Just because it's similar to other years, that doesn't mean that those aren't trivia. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have commented out the postcard table for now pending a discussion whether this does violate TRIVIA. I strongly dispute the claim that spokespersons and the complete voting breakdown would constitute trivia however. The spokespersons are seen on camera and considerable media attention is given, within Eurovision fandom and also elsewhere, about who each country chooses as their spokesperson, and their "performance" on the night. As for the "complete voting list" I'm not entirely sure what you mean with this? Are you referring to the voting tables in the "Detailed results" section? I would imagine that in a contest where countries vote for each other's entries that how each country voted would be incredibly relevant to the article. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, I agree with you completely. The postcards are indeed pushing it, but everything else mentioned by @Joseph2302 are, in fact, the exact sort of content which I would anticipate that someone who types "Eurovision 2024" on Wikipedia to be searching for. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if people are searching up the article, not reading most of the "substance", and beelining it just to those tables for the easy quick reference guide that they offer. The tables are one of the most valuable parts of the article! FlipandFlopped ツ 21:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is good enough to be posted. LiamKorda 17:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article looks good and is ready as stated above, quality issues seem to be fixed Normalman101 (talk) 18:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 23:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023–2024 Georgian protests[edit]

Article: 2023–2024 Georgian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Large-scale protests are held in Georgia over parliamentary backing of a Russian-modelled proposed "Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence". (Post)
News source(s): France24 via MSN, The Times, BBC News
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: In the news globally, and the scale of protests is huge given the country's relatively small population, significant globally geo-politically. Today marks probably the biggest amount of people on the streets. The article needs work with the latest updates, and possibly should be split from the (successful) 2023 protests. The blurb I suggested is very clunky therefore please feel free to add alternatives. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment if there were big protests today, the article should have events on May 10/11/12, but the last date involves the arrests of a few people on May 9. Also, I really dislike featuring an article that is 90% proseline, but that's alonger term improvement issue. --Masem (t) 23:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Updated with references now. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Important news. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now While these events may be significant enough for a blurb, the article does not have enough up to date information on the recent protests. I only see 2 sentences on events occurring within the past week; that is not enough recent news to warrant a blurb. Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:38, 12 May 2024‎ (UTC)[reply]
@Jackattack1597: What is it specifically that you believe is missing that is not already covered by the article? Abcmaxx (talk) 07:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support after revision The subject matter is important and the protests are happening now in scale, but the article needs a lot of work. Due to the nature of the article it has far more content about 23'-april 24' then anything happening now. for events after may 3rd there is only 3 sentences I can see. With some work I would say fully support. Normalman101 (talk) 18:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose on quality per Normalman101. FlipandFlopped ツ 21:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update has now been majorly updated and expanded. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is still a lot to be done, but this is hitting the front pages, might need to be split like you suggested before going on main. AP, WP BBC Normalman101 (talk) 15:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I can't split it unless theres a clear consensus which means a lot more votes and comments on the proposal, and a non-involved admin closes it. If you could specify what exactly you believe needs doing I can try and do it in the meantime Abcmaxx (talk) 17:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support post update. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle but oppose on quality. Major protests drawing international attention. The article is long and has a lot of references but is still a mess. There's an ongoing proposal to split it into two, an orange-tagged section, multiple sections of WP:PROSELINE, paragraphs/sections with only one sentence etc. It requires a heavy copyedit and reorganisation of the sections before I would be comfortable making it a bold link in ITN. Modest Genius talk 19:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mary Wells Lawrence[edit]

Article: Mary Wells Lawrence (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American advertising executive.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Interesting and influential subject. One relevant slogan was for Ford, "Quality is Job 1". The quality of this article is fine. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • About 10 {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • About 7 {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Surjit Patar[edit]

Article: Surjit Patar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a bit work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support there is one cn tag but otherwise okay. LiamKorda 10:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Tag has been fixed, and article looks fine for RD. Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 18:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but this doesn't look ready to me. Schwede66 03:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose - multiple CN tags and a clarification needed tag. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging@Schwede66 and @Jalapeño, all the cn tags have been resolved. Please take an another look. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 10[edit]

May 10, 2024 (2024-05-10) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

RD: Christopher Edley Jr.[edit]

Article: Christopher Edley Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Likely will need more work / expansion. Staraction (talk | contribs) 17:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerhard Müller (Lutheran theologian)[edit]

Article: Gerhard Müller (Lutheran theologian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ and others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Lutheran theologian and bishop (of Brunswick) who combined both functions. I expanded a stub. German has more detail but sadly without sources, and searches for this very common name are tricky, - help welcome. He died on his 95th birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mary Banotti[edit]

Article: Mary Banotti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Irish politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral article meets bare minimum requirement, but there should more information regarding her 20 years as an MEP. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jim Peterson[edit]

Article: Jim Peterson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there is a need for more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sam Rubin[edit]

Article: Sam Rubin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American TV entertainment reporter. Article tripled in size and fortified with 20+ new references. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose Article looks mostly fine, but there are still some issues. The infobox has some stuff that isn't in the prose and also unsourced, namely the names of his spouses, how long he was married to them and how many children he had with each of them (prose just says that he was twice married and has four kids), and that he won the "Associated Press Television and Radio Award" (not mentioned in prose at all). Also his DoB isn't in the prose and is unsourced as well. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @MonarchOfTerror: Tried to clean up some of this. There is a bit of a likely circular reference issue with any ref from the last 24 hours. Unfortunately sources about his first wife are nonexistent, so I had to excise that altogether. Was able to cite the DoB. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 02:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) May 2024 solar storms[edit]

Proposed image
The aurora borealis over Viola, Arkansas
Article: May 2024 solar storms (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Major solar storms impact the Earth, creating displays of Northern Lights (pictured) at southerly latitudes. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, NYT, NOAA Space Weather Center
Credits:

Largest solar storm in decades. 75.81.94.213 (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait - the northern lights don't seem to be much further south than has been observed on several occasions during the last year or two. I'd think we'd need something more noteworthy - a power grid failure or something. Nfitz (talk) 05:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, but support The article as it stands right now is seriously underselling it; the aurora has reportedly reached all the way down to Jamaica at 18 degrees north. Ionmars10 (talk) 05:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strike while the iron is hot The aurora is visible right now where it's dark and will persist into the weekend. But it's dawn where I am and so I've missed last night but will be looking out for a recurrence on Saturday night as I've never seen an aurora. As time is of the essence, we should get this posted immediately to alert everyone. Note that this is not just a light show but this major solar storm might affect infrastructure too. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're in the UK right? I wasn't able to catch it in London yesterday. I think there will be some activity tonight as well PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Largest event in many years.... severe effect on radio communications. Ariconte (talk) 06:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Agree with Andrew. Post this now while people can still go outside and see it; no need to wait for a disaster. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 06:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Proposed initial blurb is northern hemisphere biased. Spectacular aurora australis has also been seen much more northerly than usual. dmmaus (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is the largest solar storm in over thirty years, definitely news worthy. The article doesn't have quality issues. --NoonIcarus (talk) 08:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a worldwide event with multiple news and government agencies reporting on it, specifically stating that a storm of this kind hasn't hit the Earth since 2003. I also support dmmaus's comment to reword the blurb, since these aurora are happening in the southern hemisphere too. I'm not sure if I can directly edit the template, but I'd change the blurb to something like "Major solar storms impact Earth, resulting in communication disruptions and displays of aurorae visible at medium-low latitudes " SpacePod9 (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per everyone above me. The linked article is well-referenced and gives a basic overview of what's happening, though I think the article should place a greater emphasis on the fact that these solar storms are the most powerful in over 30 years. Kurtis (talk) 08:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Per everyone else. I see @Dmmaus's point about northern hemisphere bias, as the Aurora Australis has also been intense over Australia, New Zealand, Chile, and Argentina, but the vast majority of the aurora sightings are in the North, and I don't really see a better way to phrase it. Maybe 'displays of the Northern and Southern Lights seen at lower latitudes'. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vast majority? Have you measured it or are you just reaffirming your bias? There have been sightings in both hemispheres, period. Wording it accordingly is the way to go. Bedivere (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 09:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. Far too many uncited statements for such a short (barely more than a stub) article, and the thing in the hook about more northerly and southerly latitudes also isn't cited. Posting seems premature.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Finally able to remove this oppose, as the article is OK now (see below). But in future, ITN admins, please don't post at ITN if the article is obviously not up to scratch.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment. The phrasing "than usual" is subjective. We should perhaps list some specific places closest to the equator on each side to indicate extremities of latitude. For example: Florida, Italy/Bulgaria, and South Africa. Or, suggest alternate wording. 70.27.84.88 (talk) 11:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting pull Way too short of an article and there appear to be quality problems with it. Just because its covered worldwide doesn't mean it is ITN appropriate. --Masem (t) 12:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Come on, I think we can make an exception 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:31D5:F0B7:E1DF:125D (talk) 14:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Now the article is in an acceptable state, but it should never have been posted as it was. Article quality remains a requirement for any featured link on the main page (not just an ITN requirement). Masem (t) 16:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't Pull By Frank Bainimarama standards, this isn't so uncited (and not even a living person). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's way below the standard at which an article is acceptable for the main page, BLP or otherwise. There's now an entire unreferenced section. SMH. Marking as "attention needed", because unless this is fixed quickly, it needs to be pulled.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:45, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There was a dubious accusation of assault against another named and linked BLP in the BLP. I agree, SMH. But that's the way the times have changed. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not "the way the times have changed", we don't use the precedent of a badly sourced post to justify another. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:28, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. If the rules have changed to allow articles with lots of missing citations and (as initially posted) not even the facts in the blurb properly cited, then I obviously missed that discussion... Anyway finally, many hours later, the article looks OK so withdrawing the "attention needed" at this point. But seriously, the article improvement needs to happen *before* posting, not way later.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue which is literally applicable here. The article is now overcited and this makes source editing quite difficult. Lots of footnotes are not the same thing as quality. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's a difference between "the sky is blue" and the scientific specifics of a solar storm's strength. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hans Wahlgren[edit]

Article: Hans Wahlgren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2], [3]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by BabbaQ (talk • contribs) 17:55, 2024 May 10 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Simons[edit]

Article: Jim Simons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-10/jim-simons-quant-king-at-renaissance-technologies-dies-at-86, https://www.simonsfoundation.org/2024/05/10/simons-foundation-co-founder-mathematician-and-investor-jim-simons-dies-at-86/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Philanthropist, mathematician, and hedge fund manager with a longstanding reputation for success in that field. Article has been updated and looks reasonable to me - no orange tags? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD for the most useful donor to science. Connor Behan (talk) 17:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good and and is pretty big, however it could use another sentence on his death. Normalman101 (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are a couple of footnote-free paragraphs. Both have been {cn}-tagged. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Posted. Thanks for the new footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 22:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 9[edit]

May 9, 2024 (2024-05-09) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

RD: Cam McCarthy[edit]

Article: Cam McCarthy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian rules footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose additional citations needed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are 3 {cn} tags remaining. The AFL Rising Star nomination at the bottom of the infobox needs to be mentioned and sourced in the main prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rex Murphy[edit]

Article: Rex Murphy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian commentator and author.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted – Schwede66 05:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yvonne Mokgoro[edit]

Article: Yvonne Mokgoro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South African Government News Agency
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

South African Judge.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sean Burroughs[edit]

Article: Sean Burroughs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Updating and sourcing in progress. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Chadian presidential election[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: Mahamat Déby (talk · history · tag) and 2024 Chadian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mahamat Déby (pictured) is elected the President of Chad. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mahamat Déby (pictured) is declared the winner of Chad's presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Mahamat Déby (pictured) is elected the President of Chad.
News source(s): AP News, BBC, France 24, Reuters
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Chose to direct to Mahamat Déby over 2024 Chadian presidential election, but provided it as an option in the second alt blurb. Swapped photos because main article page has an American flag in the background, and that might be a little confusing. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support both Déby's article and election article looks good enough to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the election article doesn't even have key results like the %age of votes each candidate won. And election article is the logical article to bold if we only bold 1. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bold both we don't have to choose between them, we can just bold them both. Amended the nomination accordingly. Currently the election article is okay for prose, but the infobox and statistics really need expanding. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Abcmaxx - I figured there would be more resistance to highlighting the election article. Official tallies will be hard to come by at the moment as it is provisional. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Updated what I could, based on what I could find. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 09:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I think it's good to mention that there's been many accusations of electoral fraud, and this is generally not considered to be a free and fair democratic exercise PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This came up with the most recent election which resulted in Putin remaining in office, and the general consensus seemed to lean towards letting the article speak to that and keeping the blurb as concise as possible while remaining non-controversial. I believe there was a talk discussion as well. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I personally disagree, I think whether or not an election is an actual democratic election is important to mention. Shall we also post the 2024 North Korean elections? I hear it's gonna be a close race, I wonder who will win PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the reason I made alt1. He has been declared the winner by the electoral commission and reliable sources are saying he won. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that might be the better option, saying the he has been declared the winner by the electoral commission rather than 'elected'. So, Support alt blurb I PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 - I think the articles are good enough now. We want to avoid editorializing at all so I'm opposed to saying outright that the election was fraudulent, but I think saying Deby was "declared the winner" is more accurate than saying he was fairly elected ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 - the election article (which needs to be bolded) now appears to be in good shape from the earlier comments. Deby's is already good, and there's zero harm to bold that as well. --Masem (t) 14:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT1 per above. The Kip 17:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted ALT1 – Schwede66 21:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Colleen Barrett[edit]

Article: Colleen Barrett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former president of Southwest Airlines and founding figure in the airline. I got this article cleaned up a few years ago, so it should be pretty good to go. Kenmelken (talk) 17:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I added some updates and an image. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is good enough for RD, if we can find a cause of death that would make it a clear decision Normalman101 (talk) 14:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war[edit]

Article: Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR, Reuters, NYT, Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is discussed at the ITN talk page. Currently Ongoing lists four wars but only links timelines for two of them. All these wars have timeline pages and it seems arbitrary and inconsistent to just give timelines for two of them. As the Israel-Hamas war now has a huge and sprawling number of pages, it would be sensible to link its timeline too. Note that it has multiple timeline pages and so the overall one seems best as the starting point for readers. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support if the Russian invasion and Sudanese civil war articles have them, then I see no reason why such a complex and much-covered conflict shouldn't be in the same format. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not opposing this, but we probably can talk removal of the Myanmar conflict, no updates since 27 April. --Masem (t) 12:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    that's not that long ago, can be rectified easily, but maybe make a new nomination to remove that conflict from ITN as not to de-rail this discussion. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support to keep things consistent, but I would target Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (12 January 2024 – present) as the timeline article instead, since the Russia/Ukraine link targets the most recent sub-timeline ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Russo-Ukrainian way aside, it would also make sense because the originally proposed article isn't a timeline at all. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as one of the original proponents for adding (timelines) to ongoing for the sake of consistency. — Knightoftheswords 16:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support timelines for both on the basis of consistency. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Frank Bainimarama jailed[edit]

Article: Frank Bainimarama (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama has been jailed for perverting the course of justice. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ On appeal, Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to a year in jail for attempted perverting the course of justice.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Jailing of a head of state is a very rare occurrence, especially such a recent one too. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, the article looks comprehensive and well cited. Maybe "perverting the course of justice" could be written better. Tone 11:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a legal term and specific offence. I think we should keep it as it is as not to fall foul of any WP:BLP or WP:BIAS rules. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Tone 14:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Sounds like he's already been convicted. Maybe changing the blurb to "Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to one year in prison for perverting the course of justice." would be more precise?Estreyeria (talk) 15:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notes The Guardian story above says he was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice. It also says first he was sentenced for perverting it. Maybe this means the attempt was successful and maybe it means the reporter was just being succinct earlier. In any case, we should become sure, somehow. Same for the five CN tags. I'm also not sure if there's a distinction between jail (for short sentences) and prison (for long hauls) in Fiji; are you? InedibleHulk (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In British English jail and prison mean the same thing, in the UK legally there is no such thing as jail. In Canada and the USA jails and prisons are two different places with slightly different functions. The Fijian legal (and political) system is likely to be based on the British system but if we have any Fijian Wikipedians or more likely Australian or New Zealander Wikipedians on here who have a better insight, then that would be great. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You are correct. Jail (or rather gaol) and prison are one and the same in a lot of Westminster countries. Jail/gaol tends to be the more colloquial/conversational term whereas prison is the official term. Whereas in NA, jail tends to refer to mini-prisons ran by local governments (i.e. counties) while prison is those ran by state/provincial and federal governments. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In some huge counties, the jails make state prisons look tiny. The main reason is that prisons only house convicted criminals, while jails hold untried suspects and small-time ("two years less a day" or "misdemeanor") convicts. Glad we're sure about Fiji now, though, thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - he was the longtime leader and psuedo-dictator of Fiji, the fact he's now heading to prison seems notable enough for the front page. The Kip 17:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Pending Citations InedibleHulk (talk) 17:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 03:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is this an indication that multiple tagged paragraphs are no longer a problem for biographies, no longer a problem for biographies of living people or no longer a problem for biographies of politicians? None of the above? In any case, don't pull; just seems odd. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 8[edit]

May 8, 2024 (2024-05-08) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

  • Researchers at Google DeepMind announce the development of AlphaFold 3, an AI model that can predict the structures of almost all biological molecules and model the interactions between them. (Time) (Nature)

Sports

RD: Steve Albini[edit]

Article: Steve Albini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vulture
Credits:

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Never mind then! Expected it to be under May 8 since that was when it was announced. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 22:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Moosa Raza[edit]

Article: Moosa Raza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

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Indian civil servant.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose no way near ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chris Cannon[edit]

Article: Chris Cannon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deseret News
Credits:

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Former U.S. representative. One orange-tagged section. Curbon7 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs a bit more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jimmy Johnson (cornerback)[edit]

Article: Jimmy Johnson (cornerback) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
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Looks to be in solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ramón Fonseca Mora[edit]

Article: Ramón Fonseca Mora (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ICIJ
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

a Panamanian novelist, lawyer and co-founder of Mossack Fonseca.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs more sourcing particularly in the works section. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: K. P. Yohannan[edit]

Article: K. P. Yohannan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Mathrubhumi
Credits:

Article updated
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70.27.84.88 (talk) 00:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs a lot of work to be ITN eligible. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 00:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article needs bit more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pete McCloskey[edit]

Article: Pete McCloskey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - article looks good and is well-sourced. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 21:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not sure as an updater if can vote on this nom, but article does look good. Good job to Sunshineisles2 for fixing up this article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You absolutely can comment, thank you. Stephen 05:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks ready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 7[edit]

May 7, 2024 (2024-05-07) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

  • The Boy Scouts of America announces the renaming of the organization to Scouting America on February 8, 2025, in an effort to make girls feel more welcome. (AP)

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Barbara Stauffacher Solomon[edit]

Article: Barbara Stauffacher Solomon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Pioneer of Supergraphics.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs more sources and Books section also have some works unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Almost ready Apart from an unreferenced date of birth, this looks good to go. Schwede66 02:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a footnote next to the DoB now. -PFHLai (talk) 04:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please take a look now.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 North Macedonia elections[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: 2024 North Macedonian presidential election (talk · history · tag) and 2024 North Macedonian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gordana Siljanovska-Davkova (pictured) is elected President of North Macedonia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Gordana Siljanovska-Davkova (pictured) is elected the first female President of North Macedonia.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Gordana Siljanovska-Davkova (pictured) is elected President of North Macedonia, while VMRO-DPMNE win most seats in the Assembly.
News source(s): Deutsche Welle
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

The official results from the presidential election will be published later, but the winner is already known due to the large margin, and the current president Stevo Pendarovski has already conceded the defeat. According to the preliminary results from the parliamentary election, the opposition is set to win most seats in the Assembly, but the votes from the largest polls have not yet been counted. As for the quality of articles, the one on the presidential election looks minimally sufficient and needs an update of the final results, whereas the one on the parliamentary election lacks prose and has long way to go before posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait the lead article needs more prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready There are too many sections that have zero prose. Schwede66 02:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Steve Albini[edit]

Article: Steve Albini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

BangJan1999 16:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • RIP to a real one. The only issue I see that could prevent posting is that the lead and infobox list May 7 as the day of death, but the prose says May 8. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed to May 7, as Rolling Stone stated "Tuesday night". Isthmus55 (t • c) 17:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – RIP. Isthmus55 (t • c) 17:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article appears good enough to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ignatius Jones[edit]

Article: Ignatius Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6][7]
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Needs some more references. Natg 19 (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ready Article is in a very good shape and is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This article is in remarkably good shape for someone from the entertainment industry. HiLo48 (talk) 07:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready And has been for over a day. HiLo48 (talk) 00:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kim Ki-nam[edit]

Article: Kim Ki-nam (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: "The Goebbels of North Korea". Biography orange-tagged but there are enough sources to rectify this and even expand the article further. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Oleksandr Pielieshenko[edit]

Article: Oleksandr Pielieshenko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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 BilledMammal (talk) 03:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added citations to results section. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is a stub. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose needs more prose about his career e.g. about his European medals and Olympic appearances at a minimum. WP:ITNQUALITY not close to being met yet. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 6[edit]

May 6, 2024 (2024-05-06) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

  • An American soldier is arrested in Russia on charges of criminal misconduct. According to US officials, the soldier was based in South Korea and had been accused of stealing from a woman. (Reuters)

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Joe Collier[edit]

Article: Joe Collier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

Article updated
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American Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good enough. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hootie Ingram[edit]

Article: Hootie Ingram (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
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American football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Head coaching record section does not have any source.PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please take a look added references.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kristin Hallenga[edit]

Article: Kristin Hallenga (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times ,BBC Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Death reported on Monday 6th.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 World Snooker Championship[edit]

Article: 2024 World Snooker Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kyren Wilson defeats Jak Jones to win the 2024 World Snooker Championship (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Almost ready. The tense needs changing from future to past in at least the final section. Schwede66 21:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, yeah, it had literally only just finished, I think I have it all now. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks like the tense has been changed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, just like with the 2024 Derby. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:E1BE:DE23:DB02:9B82 (talk) 22:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks good to go. The Kip 23:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I won't let this get in the way of a well sourced, prose-filled ITNR sport result from being posted, but daaaaamn that is a heck of a lot of prose. I tried reading (not a big pool/snookers player) and my eyes glazed over. That probably can be trimmed down some where the prose and tables work hand in hand to summarize the results. This is only a comment and should not be treated as a oppose !vote. --Masem (t) 01:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The previous six years of FAs seems to suggest this is how we should lay out these articles. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a problem with many of the sports articles on Wikipedia. Too many of our editors think of themselves as sports journalists, and the articles bloat with endless trivia and unnecessary play-by-play. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you think prose about an event is unnecessary, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's a very well written article with appropriate levels of detail on the different rounds and good referencing. The prose summaries provide factual statements and a few quotes from the players, without engaging in subjective judgements or excessive details. It makes sense to me for the paragraphs on the final to provide more granular information than the earlier rounds. There are 4800 words of prose, which is fine for an encyclopaedia article covering the entire tournament (not just the final). The only part that might be a bit overdone is in describing the qualifying rounds, but that's nitpicking. Overall it's a very good article to feature on the Main Page. Modest Genius talk 13:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, stressing this is not a pull request: it is just that the early sections have a combination of sea of blue links and stats in rather long paragraphs. This would be a situation that mingling tables between sections of prose both help situate the prose better as well as visually breaking up the prose. I am absolutely pleased to see a sports article with this much prose to discuss what actually happened and backed with sources, but this is not a very reader friendly approach, at least to one looking from outside the snooker world. — Masem (t) 13:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would much rather see lots of text about the event that explains it rather than just tables and stats, like a lot of sports articles try to get away with, and this is way more consistent with MOS:PROSE than most other sports articles. Yes there is lots of text, but all of it is relevant text and so is fine. We should be encouraging articles, especially sports articles, nominated here to have prose rather than endless amounts of tables. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 01:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bernard Pivot[edit]

Article: Bernard Pivot (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

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French journalist notably for Le Figaro. Jmanlucas (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Needs more sources. Will work on it tomorrow if it's not well-cited by then. Sincerely, Dilettante 01:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Spelling championship and filmography sections are entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Six {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 02:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Brian Wenzel[edit]

Article: Brian Wenzel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 9News
Credits:

Article updated
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Australian actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:D0D0:C67F:3541:9590 (talk) 17:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose needs more references. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 23:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unsourced Filmography and some cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Filmography still orange-tagged for lack of sources. Four {cn} tags remaining in the prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 02:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 U.S. University protests/occupations[edit]

Again, no consensus to post. Stephen 01:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests against the Israel-Hamas War shut down several college campuses in the United States. (Post)
Credits:
Renominating because the protests have only grown in scale and intensity, all over the news worldwide, with no sign of stopping anytime soon. I think this qualifies as a separate item from ongoing due to notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article says that "Protests, including rallies, demonstrations, campaigns, and vigils relating to the Israel–Hamas war have occurred across the U.S. since the conflict's start on October 7, 2023". And the latest flare-up is dated "April 17" which is over two weeks ago. So, this is clearly an ongoing issue rather than something new. And we already have an umbrella ongoing entry. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opposefor largely the same reasons. This is an ongoing item covered by the ongoing entry. Noah, BSBATalk 11:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Covered by ongoing. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Didn't we just have an ITN candidate like this? Anyways, covered by ongoing, nothing else to say. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 12:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mention in Ongoing, we could have something like Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war (protests). The protests are related, but not an event in the war itself, and their intensity means mentioning them under the umbrella of the main ongoing item. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Highlighting the protests at primarily US schools over deaths and destruction of the Gaza conflict is a massive undue weight of the situation. — Masem (t) 14:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Protests are very common and happen across the globe all the time including in relation to Israel/Palestine. What makes this particular sub-set of these notable? The number of people involved are small and universities are not inherently more important than any other institutions. It appears to be almost entirely restricted to one country. This is very much not May 68. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support + Ongoing editors keep citing that it's covered by ongoing, but how? last i checked (a few days ago), these protests didn't even have a mention in the I-H ongoing article. Perhaps these are mentioned (now), but given the scale and persistence of these protests in the news this likely deserves a blurb on its own OR it's own mention as a standalone ongoing article. (I actually opposed the nom several days ago, citing ongoing, but have since changed my stance on it given the recent developments). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have to recognize that ongoing that last for months are going to have a main topic article and then numerous sub articles under that. As long as the protests are linked and referenced in that hierarchy, then ongoing covers this. — Masem (t) 14:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      OK, I was able to find it down a couple of nested links. I believe the duration and breadth of coverage of this specific subset of events in the broader ongoing warrants a blurb. I've redacted the ongoing nom, that can always be revisited later if these protests continue throughout the next several weeks. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose and snow close It was very clear why the previous nomination was not successful. It is absurd to try again. Not notable enough, not ITN-worthy and covered by ongoing. Nothing changed. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Stop abusing SNOW. There are support votes and other proposals to include it in ongoing. Discussion is still going on, closing it prematurely is silly. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No one here is abusing SNOW. It is entirely rational in this nomination to ask for it. And there is only 1 support vote over 8 clear opplses...this means something. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We are discussing whether or not to put it on ongoing as well. It is far too soon to close. There is literally no reason to rush through this nom, let people have a discussion. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There was already a debate a few days ago, things were explained and nothing has changed. The majority position of the editors was clear. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, even if I personally wouldn't mind adding it to Ongoing (although I don't feel too strongly about it either way), it's pretty clear that the majority here is still against it, and I wouldn't oppose a SNOW close. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    SNOW is for overly bureaucratic and unproductive processes that slow down Wikipedia, I don't see how this discussion being up is really that big of a deal. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and snow close These were already nominated and rejected just over a week ago, and they’re on the downswing anyways. The Kip 14:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Still pretty minor compared to the actual thing they're protesting about. (But yes, please stop calling for SNOW.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I thought we already had something like this that didn't get posted? Regardless, its covered by ongoing Hungry403 (talk) 01:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2024 Panamanian general election[edit]

Article is stale; election happened on 5 May and the oldest item now on the main page is from 6 May. Schwede66 21:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Panamanian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ José Raúl Mulino (pictured) is elected President of Panama. (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo, as, Telemetro
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Not mathematically possible for the opponent to win at this stage. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 02:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality as article still feels bare-bones - there's no prose on the results/aftermath. The Kip 04:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet, article is still missing a lot, and even the list of candidates looks like it hasn't been updated. The "Conduct" section is literally a single sentence. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait article needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment article has been significantly expanded. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Closest finish in NASCAR History[edit]

Consensus to post will not develop. In NASCAR, the cup winner is ITNR, this result is sports trivia. --Tone 10:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 NASCAR Cup Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kyle Larson wins over Chris Buescher in the closest NASCAR Finish ever. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kyle Larson wins the closest NASCAR finish ever.
News source(s): AP, ESPN, USA Today, NASCAR.com, Washington Post,
Credits:
Nominating per WP:ITN/R. User:Meganinja202 (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is not ITNR. That is for the cumulative winner of the whole of the NASCAR cup, not for any individual race. And while non-ITNR items can be posted, a trivial win (the closest-ever match) is simply not good ITN material, and may be better suited for DYK if the article qualifies there. --Masem (t) 04:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The last closest finsh was 21 years ago, its a event that pratically happens once a decade or two, if ever may happen again Meganinja202 (talk) 04:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Trivial, per above. The Kip 04:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and move for SNOW parochial, sports, trivia This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There had been a few sports stuff added, once was litterally 2 days ago, i dont think that is a reason to opposite
    Also its a theme that certainly will bust the NASCAR bubble in the week, thus i think that is notable enough to be in the News, as i said, is something that happens rearly, once a blue moon., so i dont think is parochial ethier Meganinja202 (talk) 05:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The finish of the 1971 Italian Grand Prix with five drivers separated by less than a second.
  • I think most people using the word "parochial" here would be addressing the fact that's it's an event that's purely internal to the USA. I know that's not enough on it's own to prevent posting, but do we even know what the closest result ever in Formula One racing was? HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The 1971 Italian Grand Prix was the the closest in F1 history was 0.01 seconds. The winning margin in the race in question in this nomination, the 2024 AdventHealth 400, was 0.001 seconds. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That was the 1971 Italian Grand Prix and there's an article for that whereas this NASCAR event doesn't seem to have a specific article. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The NASCAR race in question is 2024 AdventHealth 400. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So, that ought to be the target article, right? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's right. Howard the Duck (talk) 08:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as trivial. In particular, size of victory margin is not something the competitors are being evaluated on. While it's exciting for the observers, it doesn't make a difference to the result. (It is parochial, but I'm disinclined to oppose sports results just because the sport in question is overwhelmingly popular in only one or two countries. What goes for sumo also goes for NASCAR.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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May 5[edit]

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(Posted) RD: César Luis Menotti[edit]

Article: César Luis Menotti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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World Cup winning Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait The article is in really bad shape (there's a cn and most paragraphs are a single sentence or line), but I'll try to fix it a bit to make presentable Cambalachero (talk) 02:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC) Oppose: I will not get into a content dispute over an article I hardly care about. The article takes a cherry-picked phrase Menotti said once and uses it to paint him as a socialist, which goes against WP:BALANCE. Truth is, Menotti never made a big deal of his political ideas or engaged in political disputes (compare with Diego Maradona#Political views). Also, the lead image is not free in the United States (it was not free in Argentina at the URAA date) and should be deleted from Commons. Cambalachero (talk) 12:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is probably a discussion for another time and place but I thought Commons was for files that are free, no ifs, no buts. It's very odd that so many Gráfico files are on Commons if they are not entirely free. I know that Italy also has shorter copyright dates and on Italian Wikipedia, there are many files used that are PD in Italy but not in the USA, ergo they are not hosted on Commons. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Long story short: the URAA was challenged as violating the constitution of the US, the Wikimedia Foundation understood that it was not in force, so photos under licenses such as PD-AR-Photo were uploaded in droves. The Supreme Court ratified the URAA in 2012, so a huge number of photos (such as all PD-AR-Photo newer than 1970) are no longer acceptable. That's a huge backlog to process, especially because of Commons' admins wanting to do it case by case instead of en masse. Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not to beep my own horn but I've made some quite substantial improvements to the page. There may be opinions that there is too much attention given to his political views, but it is true that he held left-wing views, no matter how much he said or didn't say about them. See the academic article "The social, political, and economic causes of violence" by Eugenio Paradiso: "Ironically, Menotti was a communist." That article is from 2009, two years before the book that is cited on Wikipedia. Menotti was a known leftist who had a highly public role that was exploited by a right-wing dictatorship, that is undoubtedly notable. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: the article might use some minor tweaks with citations and syntax, but looks alright overall! Oltrepier (talk) 19:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article is still using photos with problematic copyright status. In fact, even more of those than when I made the comment. Cambalachero (talk) 13:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: All Menotti-related photos with unsuitable licenses have been nominated for deletion at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Menotti. Cambalachero (talk) 15:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is about to fall off the page soon. Consensus is building for posting. Users have freedom to believe that the page has improper focus on political views, or that the images are not free, but those viewpoints aren't building traction. Can an admin take a look at this nomination before it becomes old news? Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Photos nominated for deletion at WCommons have been commented out for the time being. --PFHLai (talk) 15:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Obi Ezeh[edit]

Article: Obi Ezeh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sports Illustrated
Credits:

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American Football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Shrontz[edit]

Article: Frank Shrontz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Seattle Times
Credits:

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Former corporate executive and government official. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 15:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bernard Hill[edit]

Article: Bernard Hill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British actor. Filmography unsourced but I'll see if I can find some references. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 14:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I found a CV on his talent agency's website (they are mentioned in news reports as announcing his death) and used it to fill in most of the missing references. Johndavies837 (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Filmography section could use a couple more sources, but I don't think its enough to stop this from being posted ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It'd be preferable to use independent sources for his filmography, instead of heavily citing his CV from his talent agency.—Bagumba (talk) 17:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You think they are incorrect? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:REPUTABLE is a basic guideline:

    Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.

    —Bagumba (talk) 00:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's referring to articles in a general sense, and if followed literally would invalidate WP:RSPRIMARY, WP:SELFSOURCE, etc. In this specific context, I don't think it's a problem to use a primary source even if secondary sources are always preferred. Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not a black or white issue. There is a place for non-indy sources, but I'll stand by that it's not preferable when indys exist. It was intentionally marked a "comment", and while this might be "good enough" for ITN purposes, I hope its not disputed that PR firms sometimes exaggerate, whether or not it was an issue here. Anyways, it is posted. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 05:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ‘Farewell, Master Holbytla!’ [Théoden] said. ‘My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!’ Merry could not speak, but wept anew. [Memory eternal.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Eh Ad, gizza job"... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ad Orientem: God dammit, I was gonna say that... 😏 Kurtis (talk) 04:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Brazil floods[edit]

Article: 2024 Brazil floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 83 people have been killed, 291 injured and 111 missing due to Floods in the Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Flooding in Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil kills dozens of people and displaces hundreds of thousands from their homes
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, AP, Guardian, DW, VOA, CNN, NY Times
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 02:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Needs expansion, too short for right now. Masem (t) 02:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait article needs a expansion, when ready I'll will Support it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. Page needs expansion and is too short for now, once it's done I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait article needs expansion. LiamKorda 15:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good now. LiamKorda 17:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support if the article can be expanded. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:340C:D133:72B6:623 (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely support it, however needs expanding. Glucoboy011 (talk) 16:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is probably big enough to be on the front page now. Glucoboy011 (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it's definitely notable enough: plus, I've just finished expanding the article by adding some more bits of information. Oltrepier (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ArionStar (talk) 13:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If this blurb eventually does get published, we should remember to update the number of casualties from time to time since, unfortunately, it's still on the rise. Oltrepier (talk) 08:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Major floods that have caused substantial loss of life, damage and evacuations. The article is in good shape. The floods began over a week ago but are ongoing and have been getting more media coverage; I don't think there's a strong relation to 5 May per se but I'm also in favour of a blurb (not the ongoing section). Altblurb added, which avoids the specific numbers (changing on a daily basis). Note the article has moved to 2024 Rio Grande do Sul floods. Modest Genius talk 12:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is ready now to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article seems fine. Yakikaki (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 17:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 4[edit]

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(Posted) 2024 Kentucky Derby[edit]

Article: 2024 Kentucky Derby (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mystik Dan wins the 2024 Kentucky Derby, defeating two others in a photo finish. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mystik Dan wins the 2024 Kentucky Derby.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Mystik Dan wins the 2024 Kentucky Derby in a photo finish.
News source(s): AP, ESPN, USA Today
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominating per WP:ITN/R. JRHorse (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Stella[edit]

Article: Frank Stella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

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  • Oppose there are several Cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No {cn} tags left. Is the intro still too short? Time for a re-review, please? --PFHLai (talk) 05:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is ready to posted, short intro shouldn't hold this article back. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Darius Morris[edit]

Article: Darius Morris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Laker NationBleacher ReportTMZ SportsNew York PostCBS SportsESPN
Credits:

Article updated
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NBA Player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support it is a GA. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: As it has WP:GA status. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The career statistics table isn't sourced; I presume this is easily remedied. Black Kite (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please take a look added Ref.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support To my recollection, this is the first biography that I have created and taken to WP:GA and seen listed here. I'm very saddened.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 3[edit]

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(Closed) Chinese moon mission[edit]

Consensus appears to be to wait until it either lands on the Moon or returns to Earth (for a future ITNC to decide). Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 23:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

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Article: Chang'e 6 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The first mission to recover samples from the dark side of the moon, Chang'e 6, is launched. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The China National Space Administration launches the Chang'e 6 spacecraft to retrieve a sample from the far side of the Moon.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, China Daily, CNN, NYT
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
The mission has various phases over 53 days. It has started and so is in the news. The article will need updating as it progresses and so might be a candidate for Ongoing in due course. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ongoing Science! Article seems fine, except for a tweet being used as a source. Would be great to have an expected timeline of the mission. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 10:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Missions like this are not good for ongoing because there will not be daily news coverage of it, only things like this launch, its landing, its relaunch, and its return. — Masem (t) 12:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first in this case seems to be the goal of bringing samples home from the dark side. The blurb has been updated accordingly. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The article is a bit light, but does meet our minimum requirements. This qualifies as ITNR. The originally suggested blurb is poor, I've added alt1. Modest Genius talk 10:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 which does not repeat the error of calling the Far Side the 'dark side', and is generally clearer. I'm personally not a fan of posting every space mission, but this is clearly within the ITNR parameters for them. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now but Tentative support landing when that happens, though right now the article quality is not great for posting - its missing a lot of details we'd expect for a major space mission. This doesn't meet any of the ITNR for space exploration, but when it lands on the moon (and ideally, in working condition), then that is ITNR. I cannot find the timeline for this, but using Chang'e 4 as a reference, it will only take about 5-6 days to get to lunar orbit, but then at which point I dont know how long after it will take to land (Chang'e 4 took about 2 weeks from orbit to land). --Masem (t) 13:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Was that ITNR criterion changed at some point? I was convinced it covered both the launch and arrival of interplanetary missions, but you're right WP:ITNR doesn't actually say that. I'm happy with wait for landing if that's the consensus. Modest Genius talk 13:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    At one point I am pretty sure we have the first launches of any new type of rocket on there, but with commercial space activities now happening, I think we removed that. Even then, this would not have qualified as its not a new rocket. The probe is the newsworthy item and assuming a soft landing, it would be good for that, as well as successful end of mission (return to earth w/ samples) — Masem (t) 14:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem; ITNR doesn't cover launches, only successful arrivals. Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until landing, if successful, per Masem and Kcmastrpc ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support for blurb, stronger support for waiting for landing This is a notable event in space travel and for science in general, but I think the landing will be more suitable for the blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Points arising
  1. The ITN/R issue is not important because items are not required to be ITN/R to be posted. For example, we're currently blurbing the Voyager update even though that's not ITN/R. The essential requirement is that the item is in the news and this moon shot is now the current news while the Voyager item is getting stale.
  2. The ultimate destination of this probe is back on Earth as the main idea is to gather samples and study them here. But we don't want to wait until everything is over. Waiting for the moon landing may be problematic technically as the landing is on the dark/far side and so will be done autonomously and so communications will presumably be difficult or delayed.
  3. The bottom line is that this item is international news now. Why can't we just do the obvious thing and post it now? Perfect is the enemy of good.
Andrew🐉(talk) 17:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The probe's destination is the moon, even if the ultimate destination is returning back to earth. Just because communication will be spotty doesn't mean the space agency won't know if it landed or not. — Masem (t) 13:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The short of it is that it's gotten broad news, but it's been in the same category as China's prior two launches to the Moon that happened this same year. It's worth noting that the launch of IM-1 wasn't even nominated back on February 15. However, its landing on February 22 was nominated as ITN/R and quickly approved.
Provided this mission lands on the Moon successfully, this will fare the same, quickly approved as ITN/R. (which is to be expected later this month) As this is a sample-return mission, this means that it would also be prime for an ITN spot in late June: not covered in ITN/R, but "returning a sample from the Moon to Earth" is substantial enough to be notable on its own. Meanwhile, a mere launch is not. So this mission is already on track for two separate ITN appearances; it doesn't need a third that may well still be on the board when the second happens. Nottheking (talk) 04:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but Far side and also mention that cubesat of Pakistan that also launched with it (ICUBE-Q) RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 11:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. The significant part of the mission is on the return aspect of it. If it successfully returns to earth with lunar samples from the far side, then I’d say it should be posted. RPH (talk) 13:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - the riskiest portion is the moon landing. The most interesting part is the return to earth. We should wait for one of those.
    Separately, Oppose on quality; the article says the mission is 53 days, but details like "when is it expected to arrive/leave the moon's surface" are missing. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 23:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait till it successfully returns to earth. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait partly as per Masem. ITN/R hasn't covered this sort of event since it was first revised to actually specify individual criteria in October 2011. (before then it did cover all space launches, which only worked because almost no one was covering them... As well as there being far fewer) While there's been further revision, (especially starting in 2021, which gradually saw the initial 2011 list of 6 criteria gradually drop to just the 3 we have as of this writing) at no point in the past 13 years would this have qualified as ITN/R.
Granted, a lot of folk forget that items that aren't ITN/R can be posted, even when they aren't mass casualty disasters. However, context is key, and this is not only the fifth launch of spacecraft intended for a lunar orbit or surface regime this year, but the third such Chinese launch this year. So the launch itself, if nominal, isn't going to be terribly noteworthy; in the mission's page it'll be limited to a sentence or two.
However, I look forward to supporting this once it arrives on the surface the Moon, and again once it returns its sample to Earth. The former will be an ITN/R posting, the latter a posting that isn't ITN/R, but would most certainly merit sufficient notability on its own. Nottheking (talk) 04:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until landing and/or return, per above. The Kip 04:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Kailash Chandra Gahtori[edit]

Article: Kailash Chandra Gahtori (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deccan Herald
Credits:

Article updated
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Indian politician. Always a bit sad to find out someone I wrote about died. Curbon7 (talk) 08:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - article isn't huge but is sourced well enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article seems to meet the minimum requirements. Solid sourcing, provides coverage of life and death.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article lists election results but has no information about what he accomplished in his 5-year career as a politician. Could use some depth about his business career if that is something he is significantly notable for as well (all the article has at present is "Gahtori started a construction company" and "he came to own a hotel and two schools"). SpencerT•C 07:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 2[edit]

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RD:Sjoukje Dijkstra[edit]

Article: Sjoukje Dijkstra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

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Dutch figure skater.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article look good to me even though I would have expected a longer article for a Olympic Gold Medalist. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD:Peter Oosterhuis[edit]

Article: Peter Oosterhuis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian ,Golfweek
Credits:

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British Golfer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost ready the orange tag in Broadcasting career section needs to be fixed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Updated) Jeremiah Manele[edit]

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Article: Jeremiah Manele (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following the Solomon Islands general election, Jeremiah Manele succeeds Manasseh Sogavare as the Prime Minister of Solomon Islands. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Jeremiah Manele is elected as the Prime Minister of Solomon Islands.
News source(s): AP, Reuters
Credits:

The current ITN blurb on the 2024 Solomon Islands general election is now stale and somewhat misleading. Jeremiah Manele is now the prime minister. This could just be an update to the current blurb. The Jeremiah Manele is just a stub though (at the time of this nomination), which is a problem. -- Classicwiki (talk) 08:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Colombia israel relations[edit]

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Besides consensus to post being unlikely, WP:XC restrictions apply to the nominator. The Kip 16:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: International recognition of Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Colombia officially severs relations with Israel due to the Israel–Hamas war. (Post)
News source(s): al jaz
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Biggest IR consequence of the war yet. Also to note, colombia was the biggest regional friend of israel once upon a time. It is from today (2nd Mat)37.252.81.135 (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Already covered by ongoing. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 15:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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May 1[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Lyle Bauer[edit]

Article: Lyle Bauer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Winnipeg Blue Bombers; Global News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 14:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article seems ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Richard Tandy[edit]

Article: Richard Tandy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs some work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose orange tag and several cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Multiple footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 06:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Loblaw boycott begins in Canada[edit]

WP:SNOW close. (non-admin closure) 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 17:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Loblaw boycott (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Canadians begin a month-long boycott against Loblaw, the largest grocery retail corporation in the country. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A country-wide boycott begins against Loblaw, the largest grocery retail corporation in Canada.
News source(s): CBC, The Globe And Mail, Global News, CTV Atlantic/CTV Ottawa, The Canadian Press (published by CTV News, Calgary Herald, etc.
Credits:

Notable and scheduled month-long boycotting campaign against Canada's largest grocery retail corporation, starting from Reddit. B3251 (talk) 08:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Merely stating an intention to boycott a particular store doesn't mean it will actually occur on a widespread scale. The most likely outcome is that a handful of people avoid shopping at the company's stores, while life will carry on as normal for everyone else. In the absence of objective proof that the company experiences a sustained (multi-week) significant decline in sales, this is not worthy of a blurb. Chrisclear (talk) 11:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise. The artilce is reeks of NOTNEWS and CRYSTALBALL. it is the 2nd of May and barely sunrise there.37.252.95.154 (talk) 11:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: it's questionable whether the subject even deserves its own article (it could probably be described in a paragraph in the Loblaw Companies article), or whether the boycott will be at all significant (much as we're frustrated by high grocery prices, we still need to eat). --RFBailey (talk) 11:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I too am surprised we even have an article about the intentions of Reddit users. Even if all 60,000 genuinely stop shopping there for a month, Loblaws will barely notice. If this somehow has major impacts (e.g. bankrupts the chain or causes major social unrest) then I'll be willing to reassess, but so far the impact is zero and likely to remain that way. Is the boycott against Loblaw Companies, as linked in the proposed blurb, or just the Loblaws supermarkets? Modest Genius talk 11:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand the concerns as well as the opposition towards nominating for ITN, but I support this being a standalone article. It's received pretty adequate coverage in the few months leading up to the boycott and it's definitely one of the most established consumer boycott movements directly related to the 2021–2023 inflation surge and in the 2020s overall outside of the American conservative-led Bud Light and Target Pride Month boycotts/backlash movements. B3251 (talk) 13:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, and article should be merged into Loblaw unless the boycott gains serious traction. --Masem (t) 11:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This kind of article is probably best featured when the event concludes. This is also when our article on it will be at its best state, and when the exact impact is clearest. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - can see this article headed to AfD ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Dreadful blurb, it comes across as trying to handwave the limited scope of the protest by simply saying "Canadians begin a boycott". How many? 50? 500? 500,000? Who knows? Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose irrelevant for ITN. Per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Uma Ramanan[edit]

Article: Uma Ramanan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian singer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:03, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - List of "major hits" is unreferenced, immediately preceding citation goes to a dead link. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose there are some claims that are unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A long string of bullet-points and a Discography table have remained unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 09:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD/Blurb:Duane Eddy[edit]

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Article: Duane Eddy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Influential rock guitarist, Duane Eddy dies at age 86 (Post)
News source(s): Guitar World, NYT, Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

The article needs more work but the first guitar hero already has a Legacy section which makes a start at showing his considerable influence. The NYT explains that "Mr. Eddy had tremendous success as a strictly instrumental recording artist in the late 1950s and ’60s, selling millions of records worldwide with growling, echo-laden hits like “Rebel Rouser” and “Forty Miles of Bad Road.” In the process, he played a major role in establishing electric guitar as the predominant musical instrument in rock ’n’ roll. Mr. Eddy influenced a multitude of rock guitarists, including George Harrison, Jimi Hendrix and Bruce Springsteen..." Andrew🐉(talk) 22:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Could Andrew possibly explain why he thinks the person is blurb worthy? No number-1 hits anywhere, not a Jimi Hendrix type, the "legacy" section is just some random name-dropping. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 21:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD on quality, lots of unsourced material. Oppose blurb the article is begging to explain the type of influence he might have - just saying other musicians found him an influence doesn't make him a great figure in terms of modern music. Masem (t) 22:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RD various unsourced paragraphs. Oppose blurb he was not a household name and I do not seem to find anything why he should be blurbed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD on quality, oppose blurb per above. Not even the article makes a case as to why he's blurb-worthy. The Kip 03:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb on principle against them This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unreliable source WP:ALLMUSIC needs replacement.—Bagumba (talk) 07:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD due to many unreliable sources (Discogs, IMDB, AllMusic, ...). Oppose blurb, not a household name and not a significant death. The Legacy section listing people "acknowledging Eddy's influence" is extremely vague and not very encyclopedic. Also, "influential" is WP:PEACOCK and shouldn't be used as a descriptor, especially on the main page. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RD and Blurb per above. LiamKorda 14:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb inb4 "two wrongs don't make a right", but Little Richard was scandalously posted as RD only despite his immense influence on the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and Prince inter alia. (check the length and detail of his legacy section vis-a-vis Mr Eddy's). If that fell below the bar of an influential musician, then the bar is very high. Unknown Temptation (talk) 09:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, indeed, the bar for death blurbs is very high. That's how it works. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD:Terry Medwin[edit]

Article: Terry Medwin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Tottenham Hotspur
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Welsh, Swansea and Tottenham Hotspur football player.Govvy (talk) 12:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Just added citations for the Honours section, the only uncited section. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 16:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I've cited the last uncited sentence (Swans appearances). Rest looks good.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article appears ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted—Bagumba (talk) 02:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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