Talk:Siege of Mariupol
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Request on changes to "Russian push into the city" section[edit]
Regarding the section, especially the paragraph in early April, saying " On 4 April, one Ukrainian battalion surrendered, with Russian officials stating two days later they captured 267 Ukrainian marines from the 503rd Battalion of the Ukrainian Naval Forces. Due to the surrender, the lines between the Ukrainian 36th Separate Marine Brigade and the Azov Regiment had been broken." , but that has to be corrected and changed, for it was not 503rd Battalion, but rather 501st Marine Battalion.
Because though at first Russian media reported as such, but Ukrainian law enforcement agencies filed charges around 5/16/23(coinciding with exactly a year after Mariupol's fall) and pointed to a senior lieutenant with 501st Marine Battalion allegedly colluding with DPR(and sources said this person had contacts and relatives within DPR) to deceive the 277 Ukrainian Marines into surrender([1]https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/05/16/ukraine-charges-suspected-traitor-for-deceiving-mariupol-marines-into-surrender/), thinking they were to relocate to somewhere through a so-called humanitarian corridor.
Other sources included [2]https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/16/7402404/ , and [3]https://www.kyivpost.com/post/17414. Bf0325 (talk) 18:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 August 2023[edit]
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Add Adam Delimkhanov as a commander for the Russian side. Commanderconflict (talk) 19:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- There is a single passing mention of him in the body of the article. How does that mention evidence that he was a key or significant commander per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE and the template documentation? Cinderella157 (talk) 23:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Ivantsov[edit]
I see his story got some decent coverage "Краще смерть, ніж полон". Історія втечі українського військового з "Азовсталі" - BBC News Україна
Ukrainian soldier survives hell of Azovstal and walks to freedom (euromaidanpress.com) ManyAreasExpert (talk) 23:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
- WP:NOTNEWS. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:20, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 February 2024[edit]
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Russian commanders and leaders - Vladimir Frolov needs to be added (source (in Russian): https://web.archive.org/web/20220616215054/https://www.infobae.com/ru/2022/04/16/ukraine-killed-russian-general-vladimir-frolov-who-commanded-the-offensive-in-mariupol/) MylowattsIAm (talk) 16:47, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Not done Per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE the infobox is to summarise key facts from the article. This addition is not supported by the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- What is this supposed to mean? I simply said that Frolov should get added in the commanders and leaders section underneath Mishustin. The article would simply get used as a reference that he was indeed a commander and isn't added out of thin air. That would in no way make the infobox no longer summarize key facts from the article. The addition is supported by the article as it clearly states that he commanded the troops during the siege. MylowattsIAm (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Where in the article does it tell us who Frolov is and what they did of significance that would lead to their being placed in the infobox. There is nothing in the article to tell us this. Per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the infobox summarises key facts from the article. If he ain't there, he can't be a key fact from the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:51, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Edit request: BBC article says 25,000 people not civilians[edit]
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- What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):
− | Ukrainian officials reported that approximately 25,000 | + | Ukrainian officials reported that approximately 25,000 people had been killed |
− | In early November, Ukraine stated that at least 25,000 | + | In early November, Ukraine stated that at least 25,000 people had been killed in Mariupol. |
also please change it in the infobox.
- Why it should be changed:
The linked BBC article says:
> Ukrainian officials now believe that at least 25,000 people were killed in the fighting in Mariupol, and that 5,000-7,000 of them died under the rubble after their homes were bombed. Mariupol had a pre-war population of nearly 500,000.
It does not say civilians. Alternatively, do not change it but add a citation needed tag or verification failed tag.
- References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):
Bowad91017 (talk) 14:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- I found an Al Jazzeera article that says 25,000 civilians. There is no need to change it to people, just add the Al Jazeera article as a source. ‘I had no idea I’d never go back’: Mariupol survivors, a year on | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera Bowad91017 (talk) 17:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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