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The article is written badly in my opinion and this is the direct outcome of hastily moving of the page from a highly notable title to a broader but less notable one. Most of the page is dedicated to the developments in the US, while there are ongoing protests occurring theses days across the globe in the university campuses. Every section of the article, including the lead, needs to be modified so it lends due weight to incidents outside the US.--Mhhosseintalk 16:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you mean moving from US protests to broader international context? This wasn't a hasty move but the result of a WP:SNOW close requested move discussion with broad consensus, as the protests had expanded beyond the United States by this point, so it was entirely logical.
Most of the page is dedicated to the United States, because this is WP:DUE based on the weight of RS content. Yes there have been protests in other countries, notably Australia, the Netherlands and the UK, but there hasn't been anywhere near half as much coverage (or protests) outside the US. This is also evident based the size of the U.S. list vs the International list, the former being twice the size of the latter (if you include the California list) to the word count). The most notable aspects being mass arrests in Amsterdam that is referenced in the lead followed by numerous protests in UK, Australia and Canada, again referenced in lead.
That said, I recognise there is significant improvement that could occur in the lead to better summarise the body. Per WP:SUMMARY, the lead should be a summary of this article, not the child articles previously referenced, which should merely be referenced in the lead with a wikilink included, which is currently the case. Two paragraphs from this lead were moved to the list of U.S. protests, specifically because they were a summary of that body, and no longer a summary of this article's body. I understand the argument of this article lead being a summary of the article and all child articles, but personally I think this would be repetition of the child article leads that serve this purpose.
I intend to work on improving the lead to move away further from a U.S. scope, as there are certainly other aspects that could/should be included (specifically the Netherlands and possibly Australia). There is also a slanted focus on summarising controversies I noticed (lots of antisemitism and not much on anything else), so I intend to fix that as well. But otherwise, this article is effectively an overview of the protests themselves, not intended to be a full documentation of all the protests (which is what the list articles are for). CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 19:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done The reference is to "Pro-Palestinian and Jewish student protesters", which is accurate per RS, it does not reference or represent "Columbia Jewish students", which is a completely difficult subset of individuals. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 00:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t see why this shouldn’t be rephrased as just “Pro-Palestinian student protesters at Columbia have insisted the protests are not antisemitic” because including the word Jewish suggests that most Jewish students on campus think the protests are not antisemitic (a narrative). Indeed, as referenced in the NYT article, many Jews on campus do believe the protests are antisemitic. 71.179.129.209 (talk) 07:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because the source clearly states "Jewish student protesters", and the context is very relevant. Including the word Jewish does not suggest a generalisation at all. It's otherwise well documented in the body tunder Antisemitism allegations section that that most Jewish students believe the protests are antisemitic (61% specifically), although this content could be summarised in the lead at this point. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
agreed. hillel is fairly pro-israeli, so IDK if i believe all of their numbers are as high as they are, but i do believe some majority of jewish students probably are against protests.
I think the change made to the article is an improvement.
However, just because the source includes information to create a narrative, doesn’t mean that the information should also be included in the Wiki to create the same narrative. It is irrelevant if some Jews believe it is not antisemitic. There will always be Blacks and Jews who support the KKK, but including that in an article about claims that the KKK is racist and antisemitic is clearly trying to delegitimize the claims and is not a neutral representation. That is even a complaint by the Columbia Jewish students: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/09/nyregion/columbia-university-jewish-students-letter.html71.179.129.209 (talk) 05:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i posted this a few days ago and i see the images have been updated but the legend has not been corrected. the fifth image in the article’s info box, clockwise from top, is mcgill university, not monash university. would edit it myself but i only have ~ 350 edits :( ApplePiePoliceState (talk) 04:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fifth image is Monash, not McGill, as listed in the legend [1]. McGill is the sixth image [2]. Maybe you're missing an image? CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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You people have mentioned, "student intifada" in the lead. Please explain it to the readers.-49.205.131.36 (talk) 07:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC) 49.205.131.36 (talk) 07:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. we have a footnote there, what specifically are you requesting? Cannolis (talk) 09:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CommunityNotesContributor: I didn't know till you replied here and I believe other readers will also be wondering what, "intifada" means, so I suggest you add, "pro-Palestinian uprising" in brackets, just after the term, "intifada".-49.205.131.36 (talk) 12:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The undue weight tag says "legislation not directly associated with the protests, as the protests aren't referenced as a cause for this legislation.". It was pretty clear to me before, but I've added an NPR story that says "House passes bill aimed to combat antisemitism amid college unrest". @User:CommunityNotesContributor's concern is addressed. Can we get a consensus to remove the tag now please? Kire1975 (talk) 04:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There were plenty of references to protests in the copy and the sources. See WP:BOLD and WP:JUSTDOIT if it's not up to your standards. Kire1975 (talk) 07:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes protests, not specifically campus protests. Why wouldn't this be featured at Israel–Hamas war protests in the United States and summarised here. Are you suggesting that it is exclusively to do with the campus protests and not protests overall? That section is fast starting to look like a WP:CONTENTFORK of the Legislation section I just referenced. Can you justify why there is such a content fork?
This isn't about being bold. Why would I go through a dozen sources to to find the connection with campus protests, when someone who has contributed significant amount to that section resolve the issue? As a reminder, the burden is on the editor to prove the relevance of content in an article, not the reader. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 13:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These "See also" section links keep being removed despite seeming self-evidently relevant to the context of this page. Can they be reinserted please? David A (talk) 14:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done The reference is to "Pro-Palestinian and Jewish student protesters", which is accurate per RS, it does not reference or represent "Columbia Jewish students", which is a completely difficult subset of individuals. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 00:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. we have a footnote there, what specifically are you requesting? Cannolis (talk) 09:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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