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Removal of Italy and Inclusion of India[edit]

I see a lot of discussion has taken places time and again on the main article for this template (List of Great Powers) regarding the removal of Italy and the inclusion of India. What are we still waiting for? Its unfathomable that in 2021 India is not mentioned as a great power throughout this article in the same manner than even Italy is. In many places in this article it references India as an "emerging" power even though they fulfil most criteria or place higher in many categories than some of the other great powers mentioned here. i.e India has the 4th strongest military, 5th largest GDP, etc. Imperial HRH2 (talk) 11:40, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note this template lists Great Powers only up to 2000 as there was no consensus for newer entries. Place of Italy even in this list is indeed dubious (most reliable sources do not consider Italy as a Great Power after 1943). Pavlor (talk) 12:37, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: I see you posted the same text on the Great power article talkpage. Best course of action is to have one centralized discussion (I suggust on the Great power article talkpage). Pavlor (talk) 12:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

British Empire[edit]

I restored "British Empire" which was renamed to "United Kingdom", as The British Empire was the main reason that the UK was able to have so much power projection back then. It is also why the UK was seen as such a great power during those times. The "Statute of Westminster" in 1931 is cited in the table as when the UK could no longer command the full power of the Empire as it once did "As the statute removed nearly all of the British parliament's authority to legislate for the Dominions, it had the effect of making the Dominions largely sovereign nations in their own right." After this date, the UK is listed as it was still the most powerful part of what remained, just like Russia was after the collapse of the Soviet Union.--51.7.116.157 (talk) 13:16, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was United Kingdom back then wasn´t it? This unfortunate template must endure another round of edit-warring, this time the name for the UK is is at the stake... By the way, removing Russia as a Great Power after the Crimean War is certainly not supported by scholarly consensus. Pavlor (talk) 16:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that removing Russia isn't backed by sources. The history of the UK and what it's called is... complicated... Up until the 70's, in the UK, most people when talking about the UK quite often incorrectly said "England" even if today they would say the UK. In this case, if a country went to war with the UK they went to war with the entire British Empire and was a massive threat.--51.7.116.157 (talk) 02:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Name of Russia in 1939 and 1945[edit]

This section of the article refers to only Russia, not the entire Soviet Union. If Russia was severely weakened by its collapse, then why would it be listed as a great power in the year 2000? Also, "Russia" is an older name and was used before 1922 and after 1991, so there is no reason for the name to change during the Soviet period. Hyperx1000 (talk) 18:51, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Use what the sources use: Soviet Union. Pavlor (talk) 09:27, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove 2000 column[edit]

The term “great power” no longer had any significance in the post-World War II world. It was a world of superpowers after that year, of which there were only two (US, USSR). The other countries were permanently damaged and did not recover influence in their own right. 184.170.174.112 (talk) 01:46, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]