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May 17, 2024[edit]
User:Kadenphill394745/Sample page[edit]
Exactly Sample page but some words are altered with languages inappropriate for wikipedia, with no intent of changing it up after over 7 hours. Originally CSDed under G3 but has been contested by a different editor as too hasty. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 22:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. After giving it a little time, it seems unlikely that it will ever meet the userpage guidelines. (comment from CSD contestor) QwertyForest (talk) 16:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This is a test page of a different sort, a test to see if the reviewers notice the naughty words. Of course we did. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Tartan Scottish Airways[edit]
WP:FAKEARTICLE Flounder fillet (talk) 10:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, yet another stupid fake article. -Samoht27 (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Obvious violation of the userpage guidelines as a userpage that looks like an article. QwertyForest (talk) 16:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a fake article, which would be a hoax except for the word 'fictional', and Wikipedia is not for the web hosting of fiction. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Sayyad Mohsin[edit]
Copy of Holkar Stadium. Flounder fillet (talk) 10:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, yet another stupid mainspace copy. -Samoht27 (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 02:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a copy from mainspace and a redundant fork. The infobox is malformed, but it wouldn't be worth keeping anyway. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
User:AutarchistPapers[edit]
Copy of Autarchism. Flounder fillet (talk) 10:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. —Alalch E. 10:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, yet another stupid mainspace copy. -Samoht27 (talk) 18:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 02:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Vaibhavrocks2580[edit]
Crude copy-paste of a list or several lists. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 10:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - as Samoht27 says, ugly, malformed, useless. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Smallet20[edit]
Crude partial copy-paste of Stewart Downing with a BLP violation added at the beginning. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 10:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom, but the whole thing is also a BLP violation because the references have been garbled, and a redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Calitoz[edit]
Crude copy-paste of Acid sulfate soil. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 10:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, yet another stupid mainspace copy. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 02:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, and as an unformatted redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Tricia Andres[edit]
WP:FAKEARTICLE Flounder fillet (talk) 10:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, yet another stupid fake article. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete although this is not nearly as stupid as some fake articles. It is properly formatted and has references. But it is an autobiography in user space. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Paige Grimes[edit]
Seems to be a copy from a The Walking Dead wiki or something similar, which makes it at least as bad as WP:COPIES of Wikipedia mainspace articles. Flounder fillet (talk) 09:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This has to be a copyvio, right? Babysharkboss2 was here!! I killed JFK 14:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This is an "interesting" concept in that this fake article purports to be a biography of the user whose user page it is on. If it were true (if we were in this post-apocalyptic world), it would be an unsourced biography of a living person. But it is something else that still needs deleting. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, if someone wants to host something like this, Wikipedia ain't the place. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I agree with the above. Bduke (talk) 23:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Talk:January 2018 United States federal government shutdown/Current consensus[edit]
- Talk:January 2018 United States federal government shutdown/Current consensus (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- Talk:Special Counsel investigation (2017–present)/Current consensus (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- Talk:Fire and Fury/Current consensus (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- Talk:Doug Jones (politician)/Current consensus (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- Talk:2018 Women's March/Current consensus (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:January 2018 United States federal government shutdown/Current consensus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:Fire and Fury/Current consensus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:Doug Jones (politician)/Current consensus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:2018 Women's March/Current consensus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Unused talk subpages. Contains copy pasted template code, but was never filled in with unique content. It's a numbered bulleted list but the bulleted list is blank. Intended for transcluding, but never filled in. Page creator has retired. I thought about G6ing these, should be completely uncontroversial. But better safe than sorry :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, none are useful now, and none appear to have been useful in the past. -Samoht27 (talk) 18:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Kun123z[edit]
Crude copy-paste of an old version of Hockey. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 06:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Another stupid redundant fork without the original formatting. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Shrachik agrahari[edit]
Crude copy-paste of an old version of Topology. WP:COPIES Flounder fillet (talk) 06:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - There are at least two types of "copy-pastes", ones that are from the wiki markup, and so look like fake articles, and ones that are from the web browser display, and so have lost formatting. The latter are not exactly copies, and are stupid. Maybe we need an essay ridiculing them. This is one of them. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
May 16, 2024[edit]
Draft:Voiceless alveolar median fricative[edit]
- Draft:Voiceless alveolar median fricative (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Article for the voiceless alveolar median fricative exists 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 16:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There should be a speedy criteria for this. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- If you can identify the article, redirect the new draft to it. Otherwise keep. SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I could not find the corresponding article. There is a speedy criterion for this, which is Speedy Redirect from draft space to article space. I am not ready to redirect this draft to voiceless alveolar fricative. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Template:Voiceless alveolar median fricative[edit]
- Draft:Template:Voiceless alveolar median fricative (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Not a template, created by IP who is known to vandalize IPA and Cyrillic-related articles 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 14:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - No content. Would be A1 in article space, and equally useless in draft space. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ignore per WP:NDRAFT. Leave it for G13. It is counterproductive to push draft junk through MfD, defeating the purpose of draftspace. SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Demo0012[edit]
A copy of Microsoft. Flounder fillet (talk) 00:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 17:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This is not so much a copy of an article as a malformed copy of an article. It is at least as useless as a properly formatted fake article would be. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
User:ROYAL RED ft. LADY TAPA[edit]
copy of Seini Draughn. Flounder fillet (talk) 00:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.—Alalch E. 07:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
May 15, 2024[edit]
User:Gretselle[edit]
An unattributed copy of an old version of Science and technology studies. Flounder fillet (talk) 23:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - This is not exactly a fake article because it has had formatting thrown away, so that it is an illegible redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
May 14, 2024[edit]
Draft:British North America Revolution of 1844[edit]
- Draft:British North America Revolution of 1844 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Draft with a very strong whiff of the WP:HOAX. It covers off the obvious quibble that nobody's ever heard of this with a claim that it was suppressed until recently, but even the sourcing isn't bearing that out.
To begin with, had the Canadian government so recently declassified any documents revealing such events, that would have been reported as news, but I've done extensive WP:BEFORE searches and absolutely no such reportage can be found.
But even the idea that such a thing could have been covered up for so long in the first place is also deeply suspect: Canada already had newspapers like The Globe and The Banner and The Examiner in 1844, and they would absolutely have found out about and reported on events like the ones described here. A "Battle of North York", with seven stolen cannons being fired only a few miles north of Toronto, and you think neither George Brown nor Francis Hincks ever even caught wind of stolen cannons being transported up Yonge Street? A "Battle of Scugog", basically smack dab in Port Perry, yet somehow nobody ever knew about it? I don't think so. (Also, Port Perry already existed, and Yonge Street already went all the way to Barrie, by 1844, so absolutely none of this is "too far out in the wilderness for anybody to have noticed".)
Even more importantly, however, one of the two "sources" cited here is definitely falsified: it's a book that really exists, but was published 113 years earlier than the footnote claims -- and it's a book that's in the public domain and thus fully readable on the Internet Archive and HathiTrust, so I and another editor at WikiProject Canada have both already grepped through it looking for any evidence of this, and both came up dry.
Admittedly I haven't been able to access the other book cited here at all, but given the complete lack of any evidence of this anywhere else, it's profoundly unlikely that it actually claims any of this either — and if it does claim any of this, given the complete lack of evidence of this anywhere else it's lying. Bearcat (talk) 02:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete hoax per nom, and this could even be "AI"-generated, as the style resembles such content, and the year error in the reference and fake referencing also resembles such content.—Alalch E. 14:03, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a load of horse hockey. - Whpq (talk) 20:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as probable hoax. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete poorly created draft. Catfurball (talk) 17:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Draft:Geode (Geometry Dash)[edit]
Only sources are User Generated and Self Referencial, and it is unlikely a reliable source will be found. Tw294. User | Talk | Contribs 16:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep valid draft on a non-notable topic, per WP:NMFD.—Alalch E. 07:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Per WP:NDRAFT. MfD is not for curating bad drafts. Don’t make busywork. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, let's just let this draft run its course. -Samoht27 (talk) 18:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Alalch E. This draft can be deleted after six months anyway
May 13, 2024[edit]
Draft:Constantin Wolf Cordes[edit]
Non-draft content incompatible with WP:BLP. —Alalch E. 11:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - It is a draft, but it is an unreferenced biography of a living person. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and from my rough understanding of German and translate help, no objections to a speedy/snow close of this. Skynxnex (talk) 22:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Draft is not English, it is German, so it should not be on this languages Wikipedia. And the Draft is an Unreferenced BLP, so it should be deleted. Tw294. User | Talk | Contribs 16:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete poorly created draft. Catfurball (talk) 17:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: As an unsourced BLP. SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
May 12, 2024[edit]
Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers/Holding cell[edit]
- Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers/Holding cell (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Page seems to be a manual listing of articles that has not been maintained for years. It seems that using an auto generated category from Template:being merged or similar would serve the purpose much better than the holding cell. Soni (talk) 10:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Notified WT:WikiProject Merge of this discussion. The nominated page was created by the WikiProject as a result of this discussion. Nickps (talk) 12:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers; no need to delete the page history. Marking as historical would also work for me. Graham87 (talk) 18:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Mark Historical if it doesn't have any current use. Keeping it does not do any harm, and might be useful for archeological purposes. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Mark Historical. Just for reference here is the discussion that led to the creation of this page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Merge/Archive 3#Holding cell?, no harm in keeping as a reference. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Old business[edit]
Everything below this point is old business; the 7-day review period that began 04:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC) ended today on 19 May 2024. Editors may continue to add comments until the discussion is closed but they should keep in mind that the discussion below this marker may be closed at any time without further notice. Discussions that have already been closed will be removed from the page automatically by Legobot and need no further action. |
May 6, 2024[edit]
Draft:Amina Hassan Sheikh[edit]
The BLP is already in the main NS at Amina Hassan. This draft lacks citations and contains WP:OR. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 21:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- History merge. User:Saqib mistates the history. The draft was already there first. Awesimf (talk · contribs) gets the new article credit, and should not have their contribution history deleted. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's not about which page was created first, it's about which one aligns with WP:V. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 07:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree. Failing WP:V is not a deletion reason, especially not now that you have found sources. You should have improved the draft, not create a content fork. Which page was created first is important. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I only found out about this draft yesterday. If I'd known earlier, I would've definitely worked on improving it. Further, there's WP:OR and WP:PROMO content in there which it's a clear violation of WP:BLP. Anyway, I don't have strong feelings about it. The closing admin can do whatever they want with it. I'm not concerned about getting credit for merely creating a BLP. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 09:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree. Failing WP:V is not a deletion reason, especially not now that you have found sources. You should have improved the draft, not create a content fork. Which page was created first is important. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's not about which page was created first, it's about which one aligns with WP:V. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 07:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This nomination is vexatious. Drafts are not deleted simply because an article exists. The usual way of dealing with a draft when there is also an article is to Speedy Redirect the draft to the article, not to delete the draft and its history. This appears to be an effort to deprive a previous contributor of credit and so obtain credit to which the nominator is not entitled. The good faith assumption has to be that the nominator is unaware of the usual practice when a draft and an article both exist, in which case the nominator should not be nominating drafts for deletion. In this case, as SmokeyJoe explains, a history merge is in order rather than a Speedy Redirect. The nominator should not be nominating drafts for deletion if they don't know about Speedy Redirection. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect draft to article. Thanks to Awesimf for writing the draft, and to Saqib for writing a referenced stub. Perhaps they and/or others could see which of the currently unreferenced additional bits in the draft could be referenced and added to the article? Beyond that, I see no particular reason to delete this draft and its history, nor do I see any particular reason to not assume good faith regarding anyone's motivations here. Martinp (talk) 18:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Stress marks in East Slavic words[edit]
- Wikipedia:Stress marks in East Slavic words (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
The advice is based on false premises: "Stress marks don't belong in any Belarusian, Russian, or Ukrainian word". Yes stress marks belong to Russian orthography and covered in Russian orthography books. It instructed to use them in dictionaties and in texts intended to teach Russian. They may be used selectively when stress is ambiguous (до́роги/доро́ги), for little known words, such as personal name (Конакри́, Фе́рми) etc. Therefore I say the page must be nuked as ignorant. - Altenmann >talk 00:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there is the RfC where the thing had been talked through and out, nothing more to say.And thank you for reminding me of a Soviet cartoon of my childhood, The Bremen Town Musicians, where the stress goes ambiguous intentionally:
“ | Тем, кто дружен, не страшны тревоги,
Нам любые до́роги доро́ги! |
” |
- This is exactly what is mentioned in the essay as "very special cases".
- And, as I've already told you, if you think that the RfC was "malformed and an imprpoperly closed" you are always welcome to open your own one. — Mike Novikoff 01:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Resolve this on the talk page and update the project page to make it correct. MfD is not for resolving policy dispute, including this page, whatever the tag. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)- The is not a policy, it is an ignorant opinion of a single person. I would let it be, but some people mistook it for policy (just like you) and started making massive changes in Wikipedia, which IMO is inadmissible. - Altenmann >talk 07:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- It’s an essay on how to do things, in mainspace. That’s definitely on the small p end of policy.
- Project-related essays should not be deleted, but fixed. If only the author supports it, it can be userfied.
- Project space essays do carry weight and will influence editors. If the essay is wrong, it is important to fix, but mfd is not the forum for fixing essays. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to fix it (by adding a warning), but the owner reverts my changes. - Altenmann >talk 15:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Take this problem to Wikipedia talk:Stress marks in East Slavic words. The two of you there seem to be at an impasse. Summarise the conflict, and then list it at WP:3O. Should that fail to resolve the problem, start a WP:RFC. Should that fail to solve the problem, except to demonstrate that it is at best a waste of time, then consider bringing it to MfD. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, disagreed. There is no "conflict". The page is based on the provably false premise, see the top here; hence, MfD. - Altenmann >talk 05:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Take this problem to Wikipedia talk:Stress marks in East Slavic words. The two of you there seem to be at an impasse. Summarise the conflict, and then list it at WP:3O. Should that fail to resolve the problem, start a WP:RFC. Should that fail to solve the problem, except to demonstrate that it is at best a waste of time, then consider bringing it to MfD. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to fix it (by adding a warning), but the owner reverts my changes. - Altenmann >talk 15:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- The is not a policy, it is an ignorant opinion of a single person. I would let it be, but some people mistook it for policy (just like you) and started making massive changes in Wikipedia, which IMO is inadmissible. - Altenmann >talk 07:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- What about the 2021 MoS RfC—@Altenmann:? Is the essay mostly inconsistent or mostly consistent with the RfC?—Alalch E. 23:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- tl;dr, The conclusion of the closer "there is a discernible consensus to generally omit stress marks." But this is about general chaotic discussion, while the RFC !vote part shows overwhelming support of keeping stress marks where they are reasonable. This contradicts the discussed document, which demands exclusion of them altogether, and basing on false premises, too. The issue belongs to WP:MOS and as I see Cyrillic stress marks are not covered in WP:MOSPRON nor in MOS:DIACRITICS. Yes the essay is mostly inconsistent with RFC, which, by the way contained reasonable suggestions by user:SMcCandlish, but it appears it went nowhere. 16:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems that the essay is consistent with the close of the RfC but you consider the close to have been a wrong close. Why don't you challenge the RfC close or start a new one ... you know that this RfC won't go away just because you think it was closed incorrectly, right? An MfD is no way to challenge an RfC. —Alalch E. 16:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I didnt say the close was wrong. It was basically correct. But The essay's "nutshell" is "Stress marks don't belong in any Belarusian, Russian, or Ukrainian word and should be removed on sight"" I fail to see how this drastic suggestion is the same as generally omit stress marks, not to say that <sigh> I have to repeat again and again to each comer here, the "don't belong " is a provably false statement- Altenmann >talk 18:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, then perhaps rewrite the essay to be more consistent with the RfC? Have you been having problems with that? —Alalch E. 18:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- No can do; its owner objects. Not to say that the RfC must result in the improvement of the guideline, but the discussion run out of steam. - Altenmann >talk 18:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- This good? Special:Permalink/1223236130? —Alalch E. 19:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- No can do; its owner objects. Not to say that the RfC must result in the improvement of the guideline, but the discussion run out of steam. - Altenmann >talk 18:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, then perhaps rewrite the essay to be more consistent with the RfC? Have you been having problems with that? —Alalch E. 18:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I didnt say the close was wrong. It was basically correct. But The essay's "nutshell" is "Stress marks don't belong in any Belarusian, Russian, or Ukrainian word and should be removed on sight"" I fail to see how this drastic suggestion is the same as generally omit stress marks, not to say that <sigh> I have to repeat again and again to each comer here, the "don't belong " is a provably false statement- Altenmann >talk 18:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems that the essay is consistent with the close of the RfC but you consider the close to have been a wrong close. Why don't you challenge the RfC close or start a new one ... you know that this RfC won't go away just because you think it was closed incorrectly, right? An MfD is no way to challenge an RfC. —Alalch E. 16:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- tl;dr, The conclusion of the closer "there is a discernible consensus to generally omit stress marks." But this is about general chaotic discussion, while the RFC !vote part shows overwhelming support of keeping stress marks where they are reasonable. This contradicts the discussed document, which demands exclusion of them altogether, and basing on false premises, too. The issue belongs to WP:MOS and as I see Cyrillic stress marks are not covered in WP:MOSPRON nor in MOS:DIACRITICS. Yes the essay is mostly inconsistent with RFC, which, by the way contained reasonable suggestions by user:SMcCandlish, but it appears it went nowhere. 16:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
P.S. I was reverted with the edit summary of WP:OWN : "and realize that this essay was *never* meant to advocate and promote *any* usage of stress marks at all" - which reaffirms my strong opinion for deletion of an essay which is not an explanation of any wikipedia guideline, just an opinion of a single strong-hanged person. - Altenmann >talk 18:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Userfy, as a disputed single-author essay. Noted WP:OWNership issues are serious and will be solved by userfication. —SmokeyJoe (talk)
- Please note that the essay has been successfully edited by many users, passed a WP:RM with discussion, and had a consensus version from September 2023. Then suddenly Altenmann appeared with this in January. — Mike Novikoff 02:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @SmokeyJoe: I think we're good now actually.—Alalch E. 11:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this has no business in wikispace and given the author of it was banned for civility issues around this topic i don't really see the point of userfying it—blindlynx 01:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Who was banned? Where? Around what? — Mike Novikoff 02:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Shit sorry i thought Taurus Littrow wrote most of this, i didn't realize i wasn't looking at the earliest history—blindlynx 01:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Who was banned? Where? Around what? — Mike Novikoff 02:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The essay, in its current version, as seen in Special:PermanentLink/1223433915 is consistent with the 2021 RfC and can't be described as a "disputed single-author essay". The problem is located in the previous wording: "Stress marks don't belong ... and should be removed on sight". And while that language was not fully consistent with the RfC result, it was not very far from it either. But now the wording has been tweaked to truly match the RfC, and that is how it should be. If someone wants more flexibility than the RfC allows, start a new RfC. If someone wants more rigidity, start a new RfC. In my opinion the existing RfC is satisfactory, and this essay is okay.—Alalch E. 10:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Legitimate explainer of extant consensus and past discussions akin to WP:RSP. Nardog (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)